No.1 for next season - De Gea or Henderson?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
That’s four keepers. And still nowhere near 700k.
Rounded down its 600k it’s actually pretty close to 700k unless you want to be pedantic and yes it’s 4 keepers. 2 who never play, 1 in the cups and 1 on the absolute decline. Shocking waste. What’s your argument here beyond being argumentative? We are getting value? Other successful clubs operate like this? Our keeper situation is actually sorted? None of the above?
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We know what we're getting with De Gea. There are question marks about Henderson but at least he has his peak ahead of him.
It's highly unlikely that Henderson is worse than current De Gea anyway.
Anywhere I see has Romero earning 70k a week. Henderson on 100k and Grant on 30k a week. That would make it 575k a week for four keepers. Still a lot but not the 700k for three that you’re claiming. The situation is ridiculous enough without making shit up.
so you’re on here arguing about a difference of 25k a week when we are talking about 500k a week and up of almost pure waste in a position. Fair enough. You must know way more than me
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Hendo has played behind a much worse than DeGea. He needs to play to settle down. If he doesn't play he is going to move away.
Henderson, absolutely.
It was 125k a week and an extra player. Why can nobody just admit they’re wrong about something?
i rounded it down and factored in the extra player and you’re still trying to prove me wrong over 25k.
Lots of pettiness on this board unfortunately.
Henderson for me. He is brave, commands his area, vocal with his defenders and comes for crosses. De Gea doesn't have those qualities, and his exceptional shot stopping ability is on the wane. Yes, there may be the occasional worldy which De Gea can stop and Henderson can't, but Henderson is the better all round keeper. That must improve the confidence and performance of the four defenders in front of him.
A former employer once told me "if you're going to f*ck up, f*ck up big because it's the stupid little mistakes that drive me nuts"
I see the keeper position in the same way. Henderson held the ball too long and got caught on the ball. It was a big mistake and I'm sure he learned from it and likely won't let it happen again.
De Gea on the other hand keeps making little mistakes over and over again by not controlling his area. So while there haven't been many "big mistakes" that will be directly attributed to him as "an error leading to a goal" there have been so many goals scored that possibly could have been avoided if he had better positioning and was a commanding keeper. And these errors drive me nuts and don't seem to be going away.
For me, Henderson should be given a run of games. I don't know if he's the answer, but from what we have seen so far, it has been nice seeing (and hearing) a keeper who controls his area (and his defense)...
Love De Gea but he’s making to many mistakes.
Henderson for me.
Henderson for me.
I’m saying your initial statement was wrong. Which it was. Instead of just admitting you were vastly overestimating the amount on three keepers you keep going on about it. You were wrong, by a lot, but can’t admit it.
Live I’ve said from the start, I’d have no complaints about dropping De Gea. After Everton was certainly a good time. What I disagree with is the notion that Henderson is much more commanding. Watch the two league games he’s started. We conceded from set pieces in both of them. Our defence was no more organised.
It’s fair to criticise De Gea for his mistakes. It’s not fair to create a situation where he is to blame for the whole defence when the exact same weaknesses can be found when Henderson has played.
It's his MO
and then I rounded it down just to be on the conservative side and you’re still going on about it
I find it amazing how some people don't want an academy keeper to be given the opportunity to step up after already having a top season in the PL, especially when our no1 has let us down often in key games.
I completely disagree. We have seen Henderson come for balls that De Gea wouldn't even dream of coming for. De Gea never comes for balls that he isn't forced to come for. He is reactive, not proactive.
And just because Henderson is more commanding of his area that doesn't mean we won't ever concede from set pieces.
We can also hear him controlling his back line. De Gea is rarely heard.
I also disagree that the same weakness can be found when Henderson plays. In his last two starts the experts over at YouTube gave Henderson a 6/10 because "he had nothing to do". This was against West Ham and Real Sociedad. Two very good teams who Henderson was out of his goal taking care of problems before they occurred (meanwhile De Gea stays on his line vs West Brom to allow a header from inside his 6 that Henderson would have prevented). Henderson being proactive and a vocal presence is a huge difference maker to making sure "he had nothing to do"...
Find it crazy that anyone wants to pick De Gea over Henderson if we’re talking the here and now and going into the future, De Gea now isn’t the De Gea of 3 years ago and nowhere near the De Gea of 4-5 years ago.
De Gea has rapidly declined over the past 3 years and is only going to get worse whilst Henderson is probably already as good as De Gea and will only get better at his age, it’s literally a no brainer and if Romero is promised to be second choice then he’ll probably stay so we’d have Henderson and Romero.
De Gea has rapidly declined over the past 3 years and is only going to get worse whilst Henderson is probably already as good as De Gea and will only get better at his age, it’s literally a no brainer and if Romero is promised to be second choice then he’ll probably stay so we’d have Henderson and Romero.
It’s a fallacy. Go and watch the games again. People are seeing what they want to see.
You’re the one that keeps going on about it because you can’t just say you got it wrong.
You're denying the truth and not accepting you're wrong. Anyone without dodgy vision or thats not tanked up can see what Henderson brings compared to DDG.
Watch the games. Watch the team that he used to play for pummel him at corners.
Stop lying to yourself.
Yet another clown for the ignore list. This forum has gone drastically downhill.
You're not going to pretend you watched Sheffield United regularly are you?
All being said and done, I dread the feeling of Dean Henderson making a career somewhere else and being lauded as one of the best keepers in the world without having been given a fair chance at Utd. So whatever it takes to keep him and get him a chance at the right time needs to be done.
I feel like the time was right now, but I wonder if Ole is managing things a little more elite than most of our thinking goes.
We at present have back to back Europa League ties on the horizon with Leicester in the cup - as such Dean Henderson is going to get more of a run in the next month or so - could he be taking the approach of making Dean Henderson the No. 1 when he earns his position (i.e. he keeps having good games and shows his true ability) rather than because the current incumbent has burnt his.
I feel like the time was right now, but I wonder if Ole is managing things a little more elite than most of our thinking goes.
We at present have back to back Europa League ties on the horizon with Leicester in the cup - as such Dean Henderson is going to get more of a run in the next month or so - could he be taking the approach of making Dean Henderson the No. 1 when he earns his position (i.e. he keeps having good games and shows his true ability) rather than because the current incumbent has burnt his.
I totally get what you're saying when you say "people see what they want to see" and I wish that were the case here. It is not...
I don’t see Henderson as this commanding keeper like everyone says. Watching this match today and I don’t see him coming out and collecting crosses, similar to DeGea. Might just be me but I don’t see him dominating his area like everyone thinks.
The commentators said literally 10 minutes ago that Henderson has had nothing to do all game and Sociedad haven’t had a single shot on target, can’t really be judged on tonight’s game although the whole defence seems more confident tonight and that could be down to being confident in Henderson behind them.
De Gea 100% does not come for that in the 93rd min.
Hendo does what degea will never do. He comes for crosses. A gk must be aggressive with balls into the box and ddg never has
Hendo all day long
Hendo all day long
Nice game by Henderson.
He does a hell of a lot that De Gea does not
That cross right near the end that Henderson grabbed De Gea would have depended on his defender winning the header. Henderson snuffs out the danger before it happens...
On the flip side, that was a dangerous spill on the only shot on target he had to deal with all game.
We don't really conceed crosses and corners when he plays
I wonder why....
I wonder why....