Hate to say it but Greenwoods sudden chicken wingy hand movement saved Odoi.
How is that Hudson-Odoi handball not a penalty?
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His hand took the ball away from Greenwood. The defender has gained an advantage from handballing it in the box. That’s a penalty. That’s the rules.
Its the only reason i can think of as to why the idiot ref came to that conclusion, almost like it was a sympathetic decisionWhat
Why don’t you want to see it given? He punched the ball away from Greenwood to gain possession. I’m thoroughly baffled as to why anyone thinks it shouldn’t be a penalty. It’s 100% a penalty, any year, under any handball rule. The only way it’s not a penalty is if we decide that players are actually allowed to use their hands after all. And this would be given every single time if it happened anywhere else on the pitch.
The sooner handballs like that become IDFKs in the box the better.
Punishment will fit the crime and it'll get rid of loads of controversy.
Handballs that prevent a goal scoring opportunity can still be pens.
Punishment will fit the crime and it'll get rid of loads of controversy.
Handballs that prevent a goal scoring opportunity can still be pens.
I think they get that don’t they, in the match report? It’s just not published. I could be wrong though.
Don't think it should be a pen but it is under the rules. I can only think the ref thought Greenwoods arm pushed his hand into it when he was trying to move it away. Disagree with that but it's the only thing that makes some sense.
It’s funny cause Chelsea were all complaining that Greenwood touched the ball. fecking ridiculous decision really.
I'd agree with this.
I'm not really going to moan as we weren't really disadvantaged by it.
Because klopp bitched we get favourable decisions and since then the refs and var give us nothing.
Even when they're blatent.
Even when they're blatent.
The quality of refs is at an all time low. I can’t think of a one ref whom I think is solid at his job.
Did you watch it?
Do you understand football?
Can understand you not seeing the fuss if the answer isn't yes to both.
How long do we reckon Sky will dwell on it? Two sentences and no replay?
Var ref told the ref he thought it was a pen and to go look at it. This one is all on Atwell.
Should rescind most red cards for serious foul play then because if the opposition player hadn't been there the tackler would have got the ball.
Seriously some of the nonsense takes you read on here.
That's pretty nonsensical
When the ball hit Lindelof's hand accidently on the opening day and a penalty was given that was 'the new rule' so we had to suck it
Funny how these things work
Funny how these things work
Agreed
To give the benefit of the doubt to the ref I watched it from all the angles and still couldn't work out whether Greenwoods arm knocked it into his hand. Maybe that's what he was thinking?
Was funny that it was Chelsea that drew attention to it in the first instance though.
Was funny that it was Chelsea that drew attention to it in the first instance though.
Then Var should have flagged it to the ref.
Joke
I can only think the reasoning is Greenwoods arm affected CHO's.
Explains your lack of fuss about it then.
Probably ignore it completely. Asses.
It will be the entire halftime analysis.
Neville saying it is "50/50", how is that 50/50 you absolute clown! 
Thank you. But was expecting great post.
It’s one of those ones that probably shouldn’t be a penalty but by the current rules and the way they’ve applied them all season, they’ve been giving them. Not sure what the justification can be for not giving it.
It’s the sort of penalty that ideally wouldn’t be a penalty, so it’s difficult to feel too pissed off. But as per the rules it’s probably definitely a penalty.
VAR isn’t the issue either. Atwell made the call.
VAR isn’t the issue either. Atwell made the call.
He said 50% of people will think it was and 50% won’t. I’d be surprised if may non United fans will be saying it was a penalty.Neville saying it is "50/50", how is that 50/50 you absolute clown!
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He said most people will think its 50 50. He said it was penaltyNeville saying it is "50/50", how is that 50/50 you absolute clown!
We rarely get decisions from on-field refs. Opposition fans love to talk about “Varchester United” but the only reason we have so many decisions via VAR is because referees never really give us anything. Before VAR we had stonewall pens not given every other week. With that one I’m guessing they don’t deem it a “clear & obvious error” but if it’s at the other end the ref gives it.
Referees are afraid to give us decisions. This is why we are on the right end of VAR so much, because the refs make so many clear & obvious mistakes against us it’s actually ridiculous.
Referees are afraid to give us decisions. This is why we are on the right end of VAR so much, because the refs make so many clear & obvious mistakes against us it’s actually ridiculous.
That's pretty much the official line on it. By the rules, no idea how it isn't given. 8n my opinion, i don't think situations like that should really be a pen (he didn't intentionally hit it away and his arm was in a tussle with Greenwood, so it was incidental contact), but by the book it absolutely is a pen.Tweet
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I'm with you. I think yes it's a pen but it's not as obvious and probably more subjective depending on the ref.
The Maguire disallowed goal vs Sheffield United and their goal vs us where they fouled DDG is an example of something far more infuriating. The same goes for our disallowed Burnley goal too.
This I understand is annoying but I saw it as a 50/50. It hits the hand but Greenwood was in as an unnatural position as Hudson Odoi was. They both juggled it with each others arms so I can see why a ref sees it as just evening out.
Meh. It is what it is.
Where's that in the rules?
Looks like they've both got their eyes closed! Kids today.
This is where I am exactly.