Shaw confirms ref bottled the penalty

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If we played well and battered down their door then I'd be more reticent to these sort of arguments. Not when we've barely created a chance in 90 minutes and the pen incident wasn't even denying a chance or altered the events that followed. We actually saw tge outcome of that attack and it resulted in nothing. Just screams desperate to me.
What does this even mean? We don't deserve the penalty because we didn't create many chances in the game so we should not complain about a blatantly wrong decision? That penalty was specifically more important and that decision more worst because the game was pretty even between the teams and that decision came at a very critical point.
 

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That's fair enough. 7 times out of 10 that will be a penalty and 3 times out of 10 it won't be given. We've had some of those decisions go our way this season.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Souness and Tuchel all said on Sky afterwards that they didn't think it was a peno, obviously they are all gonna say that. Roy Keane and Ole said it was. I think if it was a super clear cut stonewall peno, then the likes of Souness and Hasselbaink may have reluctantly agreed with Keano.
Joe Cole agreed after seeing in slow motion that it was a penalty. Yes we have been given dubious penalties but this has got nothing to do with this today. Especially if Shaw is right.
 

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Joe Cole agreed after seeing in slow motion that it was a penalty. Yes we have been given dubious penalties but this has got nothing to do with this today. Especially if Shaw is right.
Hasselbank said at half time it was a pen....did he change his mind?
 

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Between this and Ole saying the referees/VAR were confirmed to be wrong in the other game (first time I've ever heard a manager discuss this report), we come across a bit desperate at times.

Talking about that pen as though we'd even created any sort of a chance that was denied. I just barely relate with Ole and our players these days.
What? I'm glad he's calling them out, needs to do it louder. You do realise we've been getting decisions not going our way since Klopp opened his trap.
 

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If we played well and battered down their door then I'd be more reticent to these sort of arguments. Not when we've barely created a chance in 90 minutes and the pen incident wasn't even denying a chance or altered the events that followed. We actually saw the outcome of that attack and it resulted in nothing. Just screams desperate to me.

For what it's worth, I've not related since Fergie either.
Yes it was a shit game. But this team isn't the great United team of the 90s and 00s and Ole isn't Fergie. We probably won't ever find another team / manager combination like that. I enjoy that Ole is trying to build something, and isn't shitting on our club (like Jose!, boring like LVG or simply incompetent like Moyes).

The calling out of the pen is a reaction to Klopp and Lampard's complaints. Since then the refs have skrewed us. Fergie would have lost his cool + got a ban/fine for calling out the BS already, and things would be back to normalcy.
 

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If we played well and battered down their door then I'd be more reticent to these sort of arguments. Not when we've barely created a chance in 90 minutes and the pen incident wasn't even denying a chance or altered the events that followed. We actually saw the outcome of that attack and it resulted in nothing. Just screams desperate to me.

For what it's worth, I've not related since Fergie either.
What kind of argument is this? Between this opinion and another fan saying it was bad karma for some of our players diving to get penalties, wonder if some fans want to turn into saints. There are no points for being "deserving" winners. You either win the game or you don't. If it is by dumb luck, so be it. Rules of the game are to be followed. If it is a penalty, then it is the opposition's fault they broke a rule.
 

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Incoherent interview from Shaw. The ref didn't stop the game to look at the vid, he let it come to a close.

But if the ref has said he didn't give it because there would "be a lot of discussion", that's outrageous stuff.
You are wrong. He stopped the game and restarted with a drop ball.
 

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Should be a career ender for the ref, if what Shaw said is right
 

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I'm glad Shaw and Ole said it. Feck it. A referee should not be making decisions based on what others will say. All we want is fairness.

Forget us for a moment, imagine it's a decision against a team that is fighting relegation? You cannot have things like that happening. Don't care if they want to 'punish' us, they do that without provocation anyways.

Now we have confirmation why the refs make inexplicable decisions at times, not just with is, but for others as well.
 

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Should be a career ender for the ref, if what Shaw said is right
Wish we could sue the people in charge of the refs. It's ultimately their responsibility. If they were concerned with the performances of referees they would have made sure they are held accountable.
 

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This is so true.

The "United get all the decisions" narrative clearly has an influence on decisions by officials. They are afraid to give any marginal decisions to us. Atwell is right about that, there would be "talk". People who say we should simply ignore the anti-United bias in the media miss that point.
We have been ignoring it for too long now. We expect criticism, especially if we play like crap, but the obvious bias against us is simply not right.

I hope we don't let it go. United's corporate lot have been too cowardly and let various negative narratives get out of hand, to the point where it has an effect on the pitch.
 

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Straying from the thread, but still. Last year we were reactive, playing on the counter in most, if not all our top 6 games. It was effective, but it affected our play against bottom half teams. Now we have progressed so far that Oke thinks its time to take our game to the top teams, and stop playing like underdogs. That will not get us the same amount of points(against top 6 teams) short term, but it is the right direction to return us to the Manchester United playing the Jnited way and getting glory down the road.
We don't take it to the top teams though. We sit back and play not to lose
 

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I just dont see why we dont try to make a referee bias vs City and Liverpool.

We all talk about physical and mental abilities in a sport. If a manager is trying to mentally effect the way things are run then we shouldn't be the good guys taking its consequences.
 

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The referee was a disgrace yesterday.
Var told him to go and review it.
Did the chelsea player touch the ball with his hand?
Was it in the box?
Was his hand in an unnatural position?
Then it's a penalty !
 

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I’m struggling to see what box wasn’t ticked with that penalty;
Inside penalty area ? Yes.
Hit hand or arm ? Yes, hand.
Hand or arm in unnatural position ? Yes, 100%.
Ball change direction ? Yes, 100%.
I mean, how come f****** VAR can’t see it and which of the above is the referee not seeing ?
VAR did see it that is why they told him to go and have a look. Don't blame VAR this.
 

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Luke Shaw misheard Stuart Attwell over penalty claim, Harry Maguire has told Manchester United officials that Luke Shaw misheard a conversation he had with referee Stuart Attwell, with the left-back believing the official to have said he would not give a penalty because it would cause "a lot of talk".
 
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Luke Shaw misheard Stuart Attwell over penalty claim, Harry Maguire tells Manchester United officials Harry Maguire has told Manchester United officials that Luke Shaw misheard a conversation he had with referee Stuart Attwell, with the left-back believing the official to have said he would not give a penalty because it would cause "a lot of talk".
So what did he say Harry? Clear it up. This sounds more like they are trying to make sure Luke doesn't get into trouble.
 

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Ole essentially confirmed what Shaw had reported Maguire as saying was accurate in his own interview. Sounds likely we have just decided to back away from the accusation, to avoid any punishment.
 

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I’ve heard people say that Greenwood knocked his arm into the ball? :lol: Absolute maniacs, Greenwood’s arm touched Hudson Odoi but Hudson’s arm is already right at the ball.
 

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If the ref did say to Maguire that the pen wasn’t given because it would cause too much chat afterwards then Harry should come out and say that.
It’s not like conversations with the ref are sacrosanct.
No chance anything happens to the ref even if it is proven, they will close ranks as they always do .
 

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Ole essentially confirmed what Shaw had reported Maguire as saying was accurate in his own interview. Sounds likely we have just decided to back away from the accusation, to avoid any punishment.
We're Manchester United so we'll still get punished.
If we were klopp and his rabble then we would avoid any punishment.
 

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If the ref did say to Maguire that the pen wasn’t given because it would cause too much chat afterwards then Harry should come out and say that.
It’s not like conversations with the ref are sacrosanct.
No chance anything happens to the ref even if it is proven, they will close ranks as they always do .
Problem is if he does we ain’t getting a decision or a pen ever again. :lol:
 

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Seems like damage control being done now. I don’t fault the club for doing it but i really want to see this referee hung out to dry
 

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What was this Ole was on about with Maguire and "the website"?

EDIT: It was a match preview on Chelsea's website.

The Man United skipper’s actions will also be under scrutiny again on Sunday after his penalty area tangle with Jamal Lascelles last weekend
Hmm. Not really sure how Ole has much of a problem with that. I mean, it is a bit "cheeky" as he says, but has the referee really read that before the game?
 
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Yeah that whole "Shaw misheard it" sounds like bollocks to be honest. He said what said, and pretty clearly. Ole was more riled up than I had ever seen him and that didn't seem like it was coming from some talk about what Shaw might have heard the referee say to Maguire. This is just cover to avoid any trouble as unfortunately it's going to be Shaw's word versus the referee's. Only one winner there.
 

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that peter crouch advert for paddy power where he jokes about United pens is a disgrace
 

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Unfortunately the way the game was played yesterday and the tactics used by both managers then games like these hinge on one definite moment and the penalty was the deciding moment and a gutless referee could not find the ba**s to give.

The Klopp and Mourinho (and let's not forget him!) utterances sure made an impact on refs and the FA.
 

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Wouldn't the club saying he misheard it to try and avoid him getting a ban be worse than backing what he has already said. Better to stick with your story than to back down and look like you jumped the gun with an incorrect accusation
 

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if, just if, the story develops big and it's going to be confirmed that refs are scared to give us pens because of opposition managers' pressure i would take a 3 game ban for Shaw.
The story isn’t going to develop and come big. It would only do that if the situation was reversed.
 

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Luke Shaw misheard Stuart Attwell over penalty claim, Harry Maguire has told Manchester United officials that Luke Shaw misheard a conversation he had with referee Stuart Attwell, with the left-back believing the official to have said he would not give a penalty because it would cause "a lot of talk".
Isn't this a bit useless without actually then stating what was said?

This does no favours for Shaw or Ole
 

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What Shaw heard or misheard is irrelevant, it is poor form to quote this to the media after a game like a little child. Keep it professional, let the cameras and microphones catch any wrongdoing when there are no people in the stands or at least keep it subtle. Shaw is probably not going to have a great standing with referees in England for a long time.. well played.
 

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If Dean was ref yesterday, that’s a penalty and a red card for CHO.
In almost any other game, that would have been given as a penalty by all EPL refs.
When the ref jogged over to the screen, i said to wifey the reason why he might not give it is because it’s Chelsea v Man Utd.
I don’t think external forces influenced the decision, it’s just a typically cowardly decision in a big game.
The officials were shocking throughout - bad free kick calls, missed corners, not booking Chelsea players for blatant bookable offences, with the penalty decision the cherry on the cake.
 

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that peter crouch advert for paddy power where he jokes about United pens is a disgrace
Yep, said it a few times on here. All adds to the narrative. But they’re owned by a scouse supporting twat who gets to do what he likes.