Fair enough! I just would focus more on the outcome rather than the action itself, personally. Appreciate the discussion mate!
Not trying to WUM but I'm not exactly following you here, apologies.
Spot on. This is exactly what I've been trying to say.
I agree nothing wrong with the discussion, that is what a forum is about.
My point was that there was no advantage gained by the defender in the Gundogan incident, therefore if that is how they are interpreting the rule, it should not be a penalty. But it was given even though there was no advantage by the defender as the ball was going out of play and reach of Gundogan. The outcome was not changed but they gave a penalty. On top of that he fouled the other player first.
If they were consistent in decisions it would be much easier for fans/pundits/players/managers to understand. Of course with anything that includes humans there will be different views but the completely opposing decisions being given even after VAR is getting crazy. In the game this year, it’s a clear handball and penalty, there are just too many that are similar that have been given.
Again, appreciate the discussion and understand that some of us will disagree over various topics.