Shaw confirms ref bottled the penalty

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Why is he allowed to be cynical about it? Isn't WUMing against the rules? I wouldn't go to a Chelsea forum to act like a smart-ass and I definitely don't want to see that here, after a game against Chelsea where we got shafted by the ref.
Behave. He's just having a bit of fun. I thought it was quite funny.
 

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You really are insufferable and like to act as if your whole club's modern history hasn't been based on getting financial doping from the Russian mafia structures. Amazing hypocrisy to even try and speak about fairness or justice.
You need a break. It was a decent joke.
 

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He said Shaw misheard things.
But that cannot be reason enough to charge him. I would want the club to back him and also officially complain about Chelsea's pre-match report to the authorities. But I doubt we would do anything of that sort.
Lets be honest, if Harry really did say that, then it's obvious everyone has been briefed. I kind of expected the FA to call the club before doing anything, because it would be in everyone's best interest to sweep this under the rug. We're not going to go to war with the FA, but it will be interesting to see if they start giving us some calls again now.
 

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Come on, that's not a wum at all. Just a silly play on the phrase "snitches get stitches".

Some people like to go back and forth with me & other oppos. I take a hell of a lot more shit than I give and that's as it should be of course.

Just put me on ignore if you find me annoying.
It's really amusing to me how so many fans of different clubs seem to despise us, yet we have so many oppos signing up here all the time.

I've never ever though "hey, I'm a Man United fan, why don't I look up for a Liverpool forum to sign up for, sounds like a great idea". It's because I don't care about Liverpool at all in my spare time and I'd rather discuss the team I support with other fellow supporters. But yeah, no more offtopic, thanks for the advice, will definitely be implementing it right after I click "post reply".
 

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Thanks, a slap will be enough. Harry, you do the honours.
Lets be honest, if Harry really did say that, then it's obvious everyone has been briefed. I kind of expected the FA to call the club before doing anything, because it would be in everyone's best interest to sweep this under the rug. We're not going to go to war with the FA, but it will be interesting to see if they start giving us some calls again now.
Report from Sky about it

https://www.skysports.com/football/...rry-maguire-tells-manchester-united-officials
 

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Behave. He's just having a bit of fun. I thought it was quite funny.
I thought it wasn't and I have the right to say what I think as well.

Back on Shaw, maybe if he gets a lengthy ban (3 or 5 games), some of the more delusional fans might see the light.
 

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Yes, VAR is being botched. Instead of helping refs make decisions and make the game more fair, it's being applied in a way that makes the refs and VAR look like incompetent twats, and wrong decisions seem infinitely more unjust.
I personally think the solution is VAR officials and on field refs become independent to one another.

Refs should be trained differently to VAR officials, they should be ex-servicemen/women (random idea but thinking about it I can't think of a more suited background for impartiality and carrying out orders without bias + is an extra career path) at peak physical fitness (goodbye John Moss), their role is more about obvious on field decisions and keeping things ticking, using play on advantages correctly and then managing players, controlling things from boiling over. This also means players are hardly going to berate them when the big decisions are out of their control.

VAR however should be a group of experienced refs (i.e no longer fit enough to be on field and God knows football has the money to employ more of them and we we could do with some job creation) that will recommend decisions. Feck the pitch side monitor - if there's a clear handball, if there's a bad tackle they give their decision to the ref and he carries it out. The crowd get loads of replays, we hear all the dialogue. Sorted.
 

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Wtf is happening at the bottom of that article where it says Tuchel also agreed and he seen it hit a red shirt. I know Tuchel said that but he’s wrong so what’s the article on about he agreed. Agreed with what
Drunk Sky writer :D

or

Tuchel agreed that the ref was wrong. He shouldn't have gone to the monitor at all. Because clearly United player was handling the ball

Ole agreed that the ref was wrong. He went to the monitor and clearly saw Chelsea player handling the ball.

So both agreed ref was wrong :D
 

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Drunk Sky writer :D

or

Tuchel agreed that the ref was wrong. He shouldn't have gone to the monitor at all. Because clearly United player was handling the ball

Ole agreed that the ref was wrong. He went to the monitor and clearly saw Chelsea player handling the ball.

So both agreed ref was wrong :D
:houllier::lol:
 

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How? We are 12 points behind not 2 and it's not that game scarred us forever. If it did then we don't have what it takes simple.
Not that draw or win will matter (i think) but while ManCity can score goals from 20 meter offside without any problem, we can't get a penalty when opposition is playing volleyball.
 

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All this because TheFA and referees can't handle transparency that is so easy to fix with a mic.
 

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This should all be a bigger story than it is, a massively corrupt organisation. Think people forget how much these refs are paid!
 

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This should all be a bigger story than it is, a massively corrupt organisation. Think people forget how much these refs are paid!
Who is going to do that? Sky and BT won't be interested if it is not Liverpool at the receiving end of it.
 

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Not that draw or win will matter (i think) but while ManCity can score goals from 20 meter offside without any problem, we can't get a penalty when opposition is playing volleyball.
That I agree with. If you remove 2 points off city for that villa farce, add to us 4 points from Chelsea and Sheffield that gap goes from 12 to 6 points which is a lot different. Doesn't work exactly like that but it's an indication of how crucial all these decisions are when they start to add up.
 

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Refs are mic’d up. It’s just not made public.
Well, talking between them isn't helping anybody that is watching. We need to know why and how decisions are made. Reason behind them.
 

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I thought it wasn't and I have the right to say what I think as well.

Back on Shaw, maybe if he gets a lengthy ban (3 or 5 games), some of the more delusional fans might see the light.
You do have that right and everyone else has the right to think you're completely over-reacting to a mild pun-based joke and making a bit of an eejit out of yourself in the process.
 

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Can we take that as they’ve seen the footage and he does say something like that so can’t really fine or ban shaw for lying
That's how I'm taking it. If he made it up, he would get charged. It was in all likelihood taken out of context, but he probably said something along those lines and just phrased something poorly.
 

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Well, talking between them isn't helping anybody that is watching. We need to know why and how decisions are made. Reason behind them.
Making it public will expose that the so called "elite refs" are just wankers with an agenda. To keep up the "eliteness", they need to be keep it among themselves.
 

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They probably saw that the decision was bottled, and shaw was in a position to overhear a convo so the whole thing seemed plausible and decided not to add insult to injury.
 

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Firstly, fair play to the FA for actually getting it right. Secondly, if Shaw and Ole hasn’t brought the integrity of Attwell into question and disrepute, then what happens to him for making that decision? Because this proves that despite the frankly cowardly sound bites we’re coming out with, Shaw was right and Attwell bottled it due to external influences.
 

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Now that the FA has decided no action, United should officially complain to FA about the Chelsea pre-match report and its effects.
Brushing it under the carpet is not an option
 

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Shaw did good, those kind of comments will make fuss about the bad decision and referees will be preassured to mark in our favor. That's how it works, it shouldnt but it is. We were harmed in the match against Sheffield no fuss was made and errors kept happening.

In a 50-50 decision the preassure will make the difference, all the team manager, coaches and players must do their work so we win those 50-50 calls.
 

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Just seen an article in the Telegraph from that wanker Jason Burt who says the FA Should have come down hard on Utd and Shaw and we owe Atwell an apology. :houllier: For what exactly? Letting the world know the refs a bottle job? Feck off!
 

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You really are insufferable and like to act as if your whole club's modern history hasn't been based on getting financial doping from the Russian mafia structures. Amazing hypocrisy to even try and speak about fairness or justice.
feck me he was taking the piss
 

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I think the reason for no mics is as simple and stupid as player's swearing.

You could clearly hear Tierney against Benfica last week shouting "You're a fecking diving cnut mate!" Hearing that through crystal clear mics every game would put off advertisers and bring regulation headaches.

You see how often Sky and BT have to say "Apologies if you heard some colourful language there" in every game without crowds.