Solskjaer's contract

RashyForPM said:

Mid-season, yes they are unattainable. Honestly, when was the last high profile manager transfer? If you can name me at least two recent ones, fair enough. It’s absolute alternate reality if you think we can just snipe a manager mid-season.

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Devil81 said:

He could win his first trophy this season and potentially finish second, that's progression.

On the other hand it could be another season without a trophy and and a Champions league spot. I'd be hugely underwhelmed if that were the case.

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edgecutter said:

There is absolutely no need to give him a new contract. No other club will be wetting their lips looking for Ole to be their manager and he isn't a prize asset that will bring in money like a player being sold. If he is to get an extension it should be 12 months and no more.

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RashyForPM said:

Graham Potter plays better football with worse players. Going by XG stats, Brighton have outperformed their opponents in over 70% of their games this season. Watch their games recently, it’s an absolute joke how they’re not in the top 8 at the very least going by how they play. If Potter had a better finisher up top, they’d be cruising to EL football. The phrase ‘false position’ was invented for this Brighton team. No matter who they play, they go for it full throttle, as evidenced by their recent dominating wins over Spurs and Pool. We do not do that.

Also, I’m not Ole out at this moment as you can tell from my previous post, but when you talk about qualifications, Ole had only ever been successful at Molde before he came to us. Even so, that is nothing compared to Potter’s achievements at Ostersunds. He took them from amateur football in the Swedish 4th division right to the Allsvenskan and got EL football, where they beat Arsenal at the Emirates. Remarkable stuff you don’t see unless you play Football Manager. He essentially built a club from the ground up, improving the playing squad, expanding the club, infrastructure etc.

At Cardiff, Ole relegated them despite them being 14th when he took over. The season after, Ole was sacked when he took Cardiff to an inauspicious start in the Championship. Potter, in the same situation, stabilised Swansea and got them to 10th and an FA Cup quarter final where the whole world can agree they deserved to beat City. All this after losing 15 first team players. By comparison, Ole lost 8.

Finally, there is the simple fact that while we can debate Potter vs Ole all day, if you asked any of the other 18 PL clubs’ chairman and fans who they’d rather have at the helm, it would be a unanimous vote for Potter. I don’t think anyone can deny that, no matter how much you like Ole.

On the basis of all this, the qualifications of Potter and Ole cannot even be compared. I’d keep Ole until the summer and see what he does simply because Nagelsmann and Potter are currently unattainable.
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Amir said:

We improved compared with our terrible form up until the end of January 2020. Did we improve compared with our better form after that?

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edgecutter said:

There is absolutely no need to give him a new contract. No other club will be wetting their lips looking for Ole to be their manager and he isn't a prize asset that will bring in money like a player being sold. If he is to get an extension it should be 12 months and no more.

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James35 said:

All contract talk should be shelved until the season ends.

If he wins nothing and finishes outside the top 4 he should be sacked.

If he finishes in the top 4 but wins nothing he should get a year extension.

In top 4 and a trophy he should get two or three years.

He is a legend but we are not a charity, the board and owners may realise we are some way from being the best but surely a cup trophy is not out of the question with the squad he has.

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2 man midfield said:

I’m not clutching anything, you’re the one who overreacted and assumed things from my post that literally weren’t even there.

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Tom Cato said:

A 12 month extension is a bridge or "prove you're worth it" type of deal that's reserved for special situations, like the manager retiring, or a hired replacement coming in. The club is not going to insult their own project by giving a 12 month contact extrension.

It's not about someone migth stealing him, it's about providing stability and continuity. The players know who will be in charge 12 months from now, and most importantly new signings will know what they are signing up for. Players sign on for both club, manager and project. It's not "Oh Ill play for Machester United now, I dont care what new manager comes in, Im sure I will fit into the system perfectly fine".

If we secure a good end to the season with stable results, and a happy playergroup the manager will be extended for a minimum of 2 years. And I am sure that we'll get a "Should have been Nagelsmann" thread popping up 10 minutes after.

Andre Villas Boas was another hipster manager from a foreign league everyone thought was Manager Jesus. It doesn't always work out.

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Tom Cato said:

A 12 month extension is a bridge or "prove you're worth it" type of deal that's reserved for special situations, like the manager retiring, or a hired replacement coming in. The club is not going to insult their own project by giving a 12 month contact extrension.

It's not about someone migth stealing him, it's about providing stability and continuity. The players know who will be in charge 12 months from now, and most importantly new signings will know what they are signing up for. Players sign on for both club, manager and project. It's not "Oh Ill play for Machester United now, I dont care what new manager comes in, Im sure I will fit into the system perfectly fine".

If we secure a good end to the season with stable results, and a happy playergroup the manager will be extended for a minimum of 2 years. And I am sure that we'll get a "Should have been Nagelsmann" thread popping up 10 minutes after.

Andre Villas Boas was another hipster manager from a foreign league everyone thought was Manager Jesus. It doesn't always work out.

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tomaldinho1 said:

Don’t see any issues and we’ll played, for once, Woodward regarding timing. This is how it should be for any unproven manager.

Ole gets CL, he’ll get an extension and if he doesn’t I think the search for a new manager will start.

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jackal&hyde said:

You can not go in to a new season with the manager on his last year. It reeks of instability and that will affect all players plus potential new signings; it would be the definition of setting a manager up to fail. One year extension would be fair imo. and more then that, necessary.

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edgecutter said:

There is absolutely no need to give him a new contract. No other club will be wetting their lips looking for Ole to be their manager and he isn't a prize asset that will bring in money like a player being sold. If he is to get an extension it should be 12 months and no more.

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padzilla said:

City's run has nothing to do with us bottling it and losing at home to Sheffield United and Arsenal and not being able to beat West Brom or conceding a soft equaliser deep into injury time against Everton, dropping two more points. Our reaction to talk of challenging for the title was to completely implode against lesser opposition at the first sign of expectation. I get we are largely a work in progress but the fact Ole will pick Maguire and De Gea regardless of how bad their performances are over sustained periods makes me wonder about the sense of giving him a new long-term deal. As an elite club we should have an elite coach. At this moment in time I couldn't say with any certainty that another premier league club would even hire him as manager and that is damning. Part of me thinks he is going to be our Roy Evans who largely stabilises the club and hands over to better qualified managers who take us onto trophies. I just don't see it being him that leads us onto the next league title, naturally I would be over the moon if he proved me wrong but if if I were a betting man that's not where my money would go.

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Dr. StrangeHate said:

It shouldn't be like that though. If the club believe he can win us the CL or PL then he should be here regardless of Top 4. If the club don't believe that, then he should be let go at the end of season. We have two years of evidence now, surely the club has a team that can determine this.

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Amir said:

I think my question is fair. We should always strive to improve and last season we were clealry like different teams before and after Bruno.

We are clearly still a better team than we were before him, which makes this season as a whole better than last season. But did we make further positive steps with him? Did we take the team and football we had in June and July and further enhanced them?

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Matt851 said:

Watching the palace game and I am so glad we have a manager that plays attacking football now

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Sweet Square said:

The Graham Potter stuff has to be a meme, right ?

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RashyForPM said:

Graham Potter plays better football with worse players. Going by XG stats, Brighton have outperformed their opponents in over 70% of their games this season. Watch their games recently, it’s an absolute joke how they’re not in the top 8 at the very least going by how they play. If Potter had a better finisher up top, they’d be cruising to EL football. The phrase ‘false position’ was invented for this Brighton team. No matter who they play, they go for it full throttle, as evidenced by their recent dominating wins over Spurs and Pool. We do not do that.

Also, I’m not Ole out at this moment as you can tell from my previous post, but when you talk about qualifications, Ole had only ever been successful at Molde before he came to us. Even so, that is nothing compared to Potter’s achievements at Ostersunds. He took them from amateur football in the Swedish 4th division right to the Allsvenskan and got EL football, where they beat Arsenal at the Emirates. Remarkable stuff you don’t see unless you play Football Manager. He essentially built a club from the ground up, improving the playing squad, expanding the club, infrastructure etc.

At Cardiff, Ole relegated them despite them being 17th when he took over. The season after, Ole was sacked when he took Cardiff to an inauspicious start in the Championship. Potter, in the same situation, stabilised Swansea and got them to 10th and an FA Cup quarter final where the whole world can agree they deserved to beat City. All this after losing 15 first team players. By comparison, Ole lost 8.

Finally, there is the simple fact that while we can debate Potter vs Ole all day, if you asked any of the other 18 PL clubs’ chairman and fans who they’d rather have at the helm, it would be a unanimous vote for Potter. I don’t think anyone can deny that, no matter how much you like Ole.

On the basis of all this, the qualifications of Potter and Ole cannot even be compared. I’d keep Ole until the summer and see what he does simply because Nagelsmann and Potter are currently unattainable.

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Womp said:

He'll get top 4 and they'll extend his contract.

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Shark said:

We're showing mid table form over our past eight games so not sure top four is even a guarantee.

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Jonno said:

Bottle what? When did you expect us to challenge for the title? We were streets behind City AND Liverpool last season, the season before, this season we're comfortably better than Liverpool, its no our fault they're imploding. We're better than Leicester, Spurs, etc.... you get my drift, we're the 2nd best team.

As for dropping points against poor opposition, ask Klopp about that. Ask Pep about when City lost 5-2 to Leicester, drew to West Brom, dropped points loads at the start of the season. This is currently our turn to drop points. Every team has ups and downs, but ultimately we're 2nd in the league which is good progress.

You're judging Ole's success on how much of a juggernaut City are. Thats not fair. Look inside United, look at the strides forward since he took over in all sorts of aspects, league position being 1, squad overhaul being another, amongst lots of things he's done.

I'd understand your argument if we were 5th, 6th, 7th, not making progress. But the progress is there in black and white. 2 years in to a huge overhaul.

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Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:

If we extend his contract expect top 4 battles, dross football & no trophies for the foreseeable.

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Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:

If we extend his contract expect top 4 battles, dross football & no trophies for the foreseeable.

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