Why do ole & players think a draw is an acceptable result

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It is really frustrating , , we never go out in games looking to make things happen , if we get break ways in a game we can hurt teams but if none come our way then we are happy just to play out for a draw no matter who we are playing , there is a real lack of winning mentality and urgency in the team. The unbeaten away run l means very little when it is clogged up with all these dropped pts. We are still light years behind City in terms of mentality and quality.
 

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I didn’t want to quote him, but there is actually no passion, vision, aggression or mindset
 

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Because the manager lacks ambition to go after games and actively win them.
 

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I think the amount of easy/avoidable goals we've shipped has made us risk averse and scared to push, we don't have the confidence in our defense to deal with any difficult moments. Of course that doesn't explain why our attack is so blunt at the moment but I do think our fragility has made the team as a whole a bit gun shy.
 

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I don't think it's anything to do with the manager or players thinking it's acceptable to draw against Palace. I do think there is a mentality issue though - I mentioned in another thread that I think the players have maybe taken their foot off the pedal since it became clear the title is gone. Feels like that last minute equaliser in the Everton game really knocked the wind out of our players and things have been really poor since. We've won 3 of our last 10 Premier League games and have failed to score in 4 of those games - the performance levels are a big concern right now. We're struggling to create chances and the absence of Pogba is only highlighting how incredibly important he is to the team. When you're relying on Fred to pick the ball up deep and get it forward to our attacking players, you're going to be in trouble unfortunately - he just can't do it. It's unfortunate that Donny isn't fit right now - this is probably the one time that Ole would have given him an extended run in the team with the injury to Pogba and Freds woeful form.
 

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Because their mentality is diabolical and quite frankly it borders on arrogance
 

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Because the expectations have been lowered and lowered since Ole arrived, there's no more preassure for the title. Were in a "rebuild" is going to take tame, how much time? nobody knows but until then no preassure for the coach or players, 2 years in the job and want results? no no my friend, its a rebuild patience patience and more patience.
 

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Normally I would want the teams around us to drop points but do you know what this team are coasting far too much for my liking these past few games, therefore if it takes the chasing pack to put some proper pressure on us to give them a rocket up their arses then so be it
 

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We’ll go to City and be happy to get a draw too. That would be three points from three games. What’s the fecking point? Go out and win one and lose the other two trying. At least have a fecking go.
Yeah this cowardly approach because we are too scared of losing a game is bordering on pathetic, just take a risk and if it leads to us getting beat on Sunday then shit happens but just having a fecking go for once
 

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It's james' run that set up the chance though.
Cavani makes those runs 10 times a game. He’s made it 100000 times throughout his career. I’d understand you if it was Martial we were talking about, but Cavani would score that chance, plain and simple. He’s taller than James too, so would find that easy.
 

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Ole is happy to be at United. He's determined to stay here for the longest time possible and he can't care less how he achieves that. A manager who can truly see the bigger picture would risk more. For example he'll give runs to VDB which would allow him to rest key players like Bruno. Not Ole though. That's too risky for him.
 

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We’ll go to City and be happy to get a draw too. That would be three points from three games. What’s the fecking point? Go out and win one and lose the other two trying. At least have a fecking go.
We have nothing to lose against City, they are 14 points ahead of us. I'd actually like us to see us have a good go at them but knowing Ole, he would definitely set us up for a draw against them which I can understand but Palace seriously? I actually think we will draw against City but 3 points out of 9 is not a good return. We should be beating Palace at least.
 

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We have nothing to lose against City, they are 14 points ahead of us. I'd actually like us to see us have a good go at them but knowing Ole, he would definitely set us up for a draw against them which I can understand but Palace seriously? I actually think we will draw against City but 3 points out of 9 is not a good return. We should be beating Palace at least.
Whilst I agree I don't think the manager will

He will think a point and the undefeated away streak is more important. And thus an extra point for the top4 fight
 

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Why are we scared to chase the game for a winner ? Its almost as if ole and players think a draw is an acceptable result against the bottom & lower half of the league.

Even in the 92min maguire was pissing away at the halfway line and he's the captain ffs.
Noticed it too, we get a free kick in the last minute and I thought we would send players into their box but no we casually pass it around at the back.
 

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Fear is driving his management. He's going out to not lose games, rather than to win them. Shocking that a club the size of utd should have that outlook. You have top 4 players, although the mentality of some of them is open to question. You don't have an elite quality manager, though.
 

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We’ll go to City and be happy to get a draw too. That would be three points from three games. What’s the fecking point? Go out and win one and lose the other two trying. At least have a fecking go.
Probably true, Ole likes to have his full backs lying deep against the big six, effectively parking the bus. I don’t think you’ll have many clear cut chances, but there’s always the possibility of catching us on the break. I could see this game being a draw, unless we dismantle your backline early on and then manage to score a couple once the floodgates are open. Regardless of that, Ole’s game plan against stronger opposition needs to change, it’s getting embarrassing and is starting to be emulated in other games.
 

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If those quotes are real about subs, is it really surprising, he is not gonna even consider to throw a kitchen sink for a win, in current position he is at, point here, point there, 3pts in between few draws and we gonna stay in top 4, which will make owners happy and probably him getting new contract, who can blame him.

Also, that movie we already saw in a season after taking over from JM, at the start it looked great, peformance wise and results while we chased top 4, the moment top 4 was there for us to grab, he started turnning knob slowly in opposite direction, performances starting getting worse and worse while results got grinded more and more until we reached a point where we lost both.
 

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I don't think our coaching staff, including the manager, really know HOW to throw the "kitchen sink" at teams.

In the words of the great Charlie Sheen - we only have one speed, one gear.
Unfortunately for us, it's not GO.
It's.....i don't know....
 

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The way Bailly and Wan Bissaka just stood with the throw in, wasting like 30-60 seconds not doing anything in the heat of the final moment really pissed me off.
 

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There’s a serious lack of courage. You can sense the “let’s not lose“ attitude from the players and manager. That does make me laugh, though, as we regularly give away big chances at the end due to the fear of the players. We move the ball so slowly, particularly at the back. Ah, I can’t even be bothered.
 

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You are probably right. I made the error of watching a few of our old games during the final few months of Fergie's tenure and even then the difference is night and day. Just in terms of energy and desire. Makes watching this lot pretty depressing
Well, not as depressing as you lot. It's as if no shit result is bad enough for you, you additionally have to invent a load of bullshit that you actually have no basis for but just choose to assume - such as the players and managers being happy with a draw, lowered standards, cowardliness. And the subs of course, who are too late and the wrong ones, always.
 

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Why are we scared to chase the game for a winner ? Its almost as if ole and players think a draw is an acceptable result against the bottom & lower half of the league.

Even in the 92min maguire was pissing away at the halfway line and he's the captain ffs.
Okay, so do you have any actual basis for thinking Ole and the players are happy with a draw? You kow, something somebody's said on record, or something like that? Or is that just something you choose to believe? Because you know, in that case, the subject of your thread is pretty much like asking someone "Why are you so stupid?"
 

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So you lot honestly think Ole and the players decide ahead of time they'll settle for a draw ? Have you all lost all respect for your team..shame. It's unfortunate and I'm sure they're not accepting it but as I keep saying it's not a loss. 3 points is better than 1 but 1 is better than 0.
 

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Nobody is happy with a draw. What a ludicrous load of nonsense. The players are knackered or out of form or not good enough or all of the above. They are extremely competitive individuals and feel more annoyed than any of us when they don’t win.
 

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It was disappointing to see Ole not taking any risks at all, saying he was expecting the players on the pitch could have got the goal shows how he wasnt ready to gamble to get the result.

It's so difficult to rate his time, when you give up on him, we go on a good run. When you think maybe he was judged harshly and he can turn it, we go on a terrible run. We are so hot and cold it's unreal.

Last few games, we looked like bunch of strangers who had no clue what to do on the pitch, just find Bruno and then expect him to do some magic. Or give the ball to Rashford and expect him to dribble.
 

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It was such a comical substation. Pointless and absolutely cowardly.
Who would you have swapped with Cavani then? Baring in mind Cavani was never going to play the full 90 minutes?
 

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Cavani makes those runs 10 times a game. He’s made it 100000 times throughout his career. I’d understand you if it was Martial we were talking about, but Cavani would score that chance, plain and simple. He’s taller than James too, so would find that easy.
What I meant is that James started the whole move by running up the right wing and creating a bit of space before the play was switched and the cross came in. Without James on the pitch the cross is not even coming in to meet a player unmarked in the middle.

However both Cavani and James should have been on the pitch normally and a holding mid sacrificed.
 

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Well, not as depressing as you lot. It's as if no shit result is bad enough for you, you additionally have to invent a load of bullshit that you actually have no basis for but just choose to assume - such as the players and managers being happy with a draw, lowered standards, cowardliness. And the subs of course, who are too late and the wrong ones, always.
I don’t think there’s any speculation or conjecture involved. Surely the lack of energy and passion was evident against Palace? You are either an eternal optimist or in denial.

The players may not be happy with a draw but nobody can deny that our baseline for what a decent performance constitutes has been severely lowered over the past 7 years. It’s not entirely the managers fault but he has to take some blame.
 

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It was disappointing to see Ole not taking any risks at all, saying he was expecting the players on the pitch could have got the goal shows how he wasnt ready to gamble to get the result.

It's so difficult to rate his time, when you give up on him, we go on a good run. When you think maybe he was judged harshly and he can turn it, we go on a terrible run. We are so hot and cold it's unreal.

Last few games, we looked like bunch of strangers who had no clue what to do on the pitch, just find Bruno and then expect him to do some magic. Or give the ball to Rashford and expect him to dribble.
This is one aspect that has got me down all season. We simply don't gamble, you know Ole is unlikely to go for it. Having those kids on the bench last night I knew there was next to no chance of them coming on in a meaningful way.
 
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This is one expect that has got me down all season. We simply don't gamble, you know Ole is unlikely to go for it. Having those kids on the bench last night I knew there was next to no chance of them coming on in a meaningful way.
Exactly. Few said "who should have come on" well the point isn't just one game. It's how the things are going for long time. Why not throw kids when you know players are having shit day on the pitch.
 

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I have seen us lose games like that in LVG and Jose’s tenures, and earlier in Olés.

I’m not happy with the draw or the performance, or the tactics which should be questioned, but overall, this shit run was going to happen with the schedule the way it is.

The only ones not affected are the extreme financially doped, ped-taking, COVID-leveraging plastic irrelevant cheats who are sports washed by an entire oil rich and corrupt state. Actually, ignore all of that, and then we I’m sure we can put our respective runs in perspective.
 

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I think he’s woken up this morning thinking we matched Leicester’s result and he’s happy with that
 

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I have seen us lose games like that in LVG and Jose’s tenures, and earlier in Olés.

I’m not happy with the draw or the performance, or the tactics which should be questioned, but overall, this shit run was going to happen with the schedule the way it is.

The only ones not affected are the extreme financially doped, ped-taking, COVID-leveraging plastic irrelevant cheats who are sports washed by an entire oil rich and corrupt state. Actually, ignore all of that, and then we I’m sure we can put our respective runs in perspective.
That's a valid point. Everyone bar City with their insane width goes on to lose points in this tight run of fixtures. Feels strange to think how much normal teams (not necesarily United) would have won without these paracites. A lot of teams have foreign owners yes, but the scale of City's wallet is on a whole other planet.

A solution?: Their netspend should be limited to the average of the league + a buffer for the last 5 years, and not measured like now against which fraud sponsors they can get in to show income
 

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I just thought Ole was clueless on how to change it. He threw all his strikers on in one go and then had nowhere to go when it wasn’t working.
 

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I'm getting the feeling that he knows Top 4 is a dead cert, and he's going to go all in for one of the cups.

Was there any need for the likes of Bruno and AWB or Rashford from the bench against Sociedad for example? He's making odd decisions before and during games.


Typical of this manager and squad though, small time mentality throughout. When Luke Shaw is your best player up and down the pitch by a considerable distance, something isn't going very well.
 

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Which subs would you prefer from last nights available bench?
If you are picked to be on the bench for United then you should be good enough to come on if needed. Do you think Fergie just sits there and let's the game fizzle out without giving it a go at all . Throw another attacking kid on and take a gamble . In the current premier league a draw is such a useless result
 

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The team's identity often stems from the manager itself.

I always thought it was a bad sign that Ole downplayed our title chances when we sat in 1st place(even with the benefit of hindsight).