We might not having the players to compete with City, but we have the players to beat West Brom and Palace, especially a Palace side in terrible form and plenty of injuries. End of really. We mustered up what one shot on target yesterday? We never looked like winning, it was pathetic.
“ If De Bruyne (£68m) has an off day, City have Mahrez (£61m), Sterling (£57m), Silva (£45m), Foden, Gundogan (£24m), & Ferran (£21m)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Ha me? Really? Sure, it's me who's hysterical, not the posters calling every player, manager and coach associated with the team shite, that we are incapable of attacking or passing and even though we are second we should clearly be 12th.
But me? I'm happy, so so happy.
I think his point is, relative to how all the other clubs have fared against the same teams, Ole find himself the best of the rest. So if it's fine for other clubs its fine for him.
What he fails to recognize is Leicester spend far less than United, Spurs changed manager last year, Arsenal are also a year behind in the process (and spent far less under Arteta), Chelsea just started their process again. The inadequacies was actually not good for Emery/Poch/Lampard and they all got sacked. He's conveniently forgetting to remember that.
Its a pathetic excuse.
Teams have spent far less than we have have have done far better.
Teams have spent far less than we have have have done far better.
How have Liverpool looked in their horrendous form recently? Sack Klopp and sell all the players?
No? That just applies to us I'm sure.
Really hysterical
Seems to leave out that Pogba cost £90m and VDB and Mata cost in excess of £40m. It’s disingenuous. Spending poorly and having inept managers is the bigger issue.
Basically this.
They had the decency to win some things before they turned shit. That’s the difference.
Klopp has earned goodwill from you know, winning the Premier League and the Champions Leauge. Why the feck would you put faith in Ole (or any new manager) on the same barometer as what Klopp has earned with Liverpool by way of trust
Klopp had leeway because he’s won them the champions league and premier league. They could finish 12th this season and he’d still be there next season.
ExactlyKlopp has earned goodwill from you know, winning the Premier League and the Champions Leauge. Why the feck would you put faith in Ole (or any new manager) on the same barometer as what Klopp has earned with Liverpool by way of trust
. Such an odd comparison, totally unwarranted.Precisely, and I’m going to save you the reply when someone inevitably brings up Klopp - he won the league last season and this season, yes, he is doing awfully, but no Pool fan is asking for his sacking because he unfortunately brought trophies and glory back to them.
Even when we are at full strength, majority of our performances are poor.
Why can't people see this?
Another point. Our starting 11 last night cost over £300m. That was with four players worth a considerable amount who cost us nothing in transfer fees.
It's a laughable comparison. Klopp is coming of the back of two 90+ points finishes and two CL finals ffs.Klopp has earned goodwill from you know, winning the Premier League and the Champions Leauge. Why the feck would you put faith in Ole (or any new manager) on the same barometer as what Klopp has earned with Liverpool by way of trust
Bit of a odd comparison. Klopp has proven his worth, as has that squad, although it is clearly showing signs of being worn out, because he's played them into the ground for what three seasons. Why compare them to us currently? They're a PL and CL winning squad, the reaction should not and is not the same. Klopp has earned time, Ole has done brilliantly well, but the question marks have always been there if he can take us to another level beyond what he has so far, those questions still remain.
Oh here we go, as I predicted. Klopp and Ole are in the same boat aren’t they? The former Dortmund manager who has already won them the two biggest trophies in football, and the former Cardiff and Molde manager who has won us...big away games against PSG and Leicester.
Yeah, I'm sat at my PC with a saucepan on my head smashing it with a wooden spoon.
That's what you hysterical lot have driven me to. Hope your pleased with yourselves.
In theory, apart from Pogba and I guess Fred for Matic (maybe), that was practically RedCafe's desired best first 11 on display last night. Scary.
Your rage at people being concerned and fed up after yet another diabolical performance is quite bizarre. Last night wasn't a one off dodgy performance, if it was, the reaction wouldn't be like this.
But what does the past matter? I'm not comparing the two managers, Klopp is the best manager in Europe imo. I'm just applying the CAF certified way of dealing with failure. Ie. shite the bed and sack everybody.
I'm reliably informed it's the answer to all footballing related issues.
De Bruyne was signed before Guardiola joined, so I am guessing we are not limiting it to just his signings.
Also, Foden is a youth player, so we must include them. Right then.
If Pogba (90m) has an off day, we have Rashford (probably worth at least 80m), Martial (54m), Fernandes (50m), Greenwood (If Foden is there, he should be worth), James (16m), De Beek (35m), Cavani (enormous wages), and now Amad (19m).
We are hardly starved of investment are we.
Also, Foden is a youth player, so we must include them. Right then.
If Pogba (90m) has an off day, we have Rashford (probably worth at least 80m), Martial (54m), Fernandes (50m), Greenwood (If Foden is there, he should be worth), James (16m), De Beek (35m), Cavani (enormous wages), and now Amad (19m).
We are hardly starved of investment are we.
Which manager has done stuff like that?
Judas mate I respect you as a poster, but this place is like this constantly.
I think it's the misery that's getting to me.
Of course City have spent a massive sum, as of course we have, but City have spent their massive much more shrewdly than we have.
I hope no one here denies this.
I hope no one here denies this.
The best thing is that Glazer puppet, while including even Ferran Torres, limited our options to Rashford and James.
Course we can.
Should we be much better off than Liverpool/Tottenham and Chelsea with our squad? How much better than them should we be?
Well yeah that's true. Everyone had a shit year though besides Pogba, Bruno, Bailly, and Shaw. Rashford is getting numbers, and that's fine and dandy, but I wish we can use at usage rate of him throughout the game. Eye test tells us he's been off since the beginning besides an insane flash of skill here and there. Martial has been awful, VdB is nothing, Mata doesn't play, etc. Is that because of skillset or because our coaching has been subpar.
Sir Alex Ferguson. I still remember the 1-4 and 2-0 smashings Pool and Fulham gave us in the two games before that Villa one, thinking we might lose the league. Then, seeing that we were having a shocker against Villa, he threw on Macheda, he scored the winner, repeated the trick the week after, and we finished the season unbeaten and won the league. Would Ole do that? No.
He should do that for Liverpool if Salah gets injured. But anyway.......
Bruno (57m)
Mata(48m)
Martial (55m)
Rashford
Greenwood
VBD (40m)
Pogba (90m)
James (25m)
Diallo (38m)
I think we are alright. I added an extra few million quid for it to sound more dramatic.
Bruno (57m)
Mata(48m)
Martial (55m)
Rashford
Greenwood
VBD (40m)
Pogba (90m)
James (25m)
Diallo (38m)
I think we are alright. I added an extra few million quid for it to sound more dramatic.
Gundogan + Silva + Torres cost < Fred + James + VDB
It's not really about the costs it's the quality they have available. Our front 3 last night was free if you want to boil it down to how much they cost as a measure of quality.
Fair it is, I agree. Same mate that's why I'm a bit surprised to be on a different side to you kind of. But for once, I get the misery. I don't think its that overblown, and I do think it's deserved.
I was laughing at people being negative after 5 minutes in the game last night, this place can be relentlessly draining, in fact I was still laughing and quite relaxed till about 55 odd minutes into the game last night until I realised "shit this is actually going to be another stinker".
I suppose I've just got to the point where some of the negativity is not totally unfair and I side with it to a certain degree. Obviously some people go too far, some of it is massively over the top.
“we shouldn’t need all that money to beat Palace”
This ignores the fact that City have also fallen to Palace a lot in recent years. Because (and this really isn’t hard) a lot of teams can have off days and struggle. This will happen over a course of a season. Having eleven better players doesn’t always mean you will win.
HOWEVER, if you have eleven well rested players. And five subs who can come on to change the game... well you are at a massive advantage aren’t you.
No one is saying that we shouldn’t be beating Palace. Yes, we obviously would like to.
but in a season where we are above teams with better first elevens and equivalent clubs, it’s clear to see why city are the only team running away with it.
it is like some of you are lookingfor reasons to have a go rather than support. Some of you are assigning prices to Rashford and Greenwood as if that makes any sense whatsoever.
This ignores the fact that City have also fallen to Palace a lot in recent years. Because (and this really isn’t hard) a lot of teams can have off days and struggle. This will happen over a course of a season. Having eleven better players doesn’t always mean you will win.
HOWEVER, if you have eleven well rested players. And five subs who can come on to change the game... well you are at a massive advantage aren’t you.
No one is saying that we shouldn’t be beating Palace. Yes, we obviously would like to.
but in a season where we are above teams with better first elevens and equivalent clubs, it’s clear to see why city are the only team running away with it.
it is like some of you are lookingfor reasons to have a go rather than support. Some of you are assigning prices to Rashford and Greenwood as if that makes any sense whatsoever.
Would Pep? Or Klopp?
Would Ferguson rather play Park and Rafael in CM rather than a future world class midfielder?
Is there a potential that the situation isn’t as black and white as you think it is?
What other teams do is none of our concern. Just because those teams pissed the bed doesn't mean we should lower the standards here.
At the start of the season many predicted we'd finish below those teams and rightly so, but if you asked me at the start of the season whether last nights performance was acceptable or not it's an obvious resounding no.
But my point was that we aren't rotating our players so even at full strength we've still got an 11 made up of worn out players. The only rotation we do at all is in center mid and right wing, every once in a while Shaw gets a break. I'm not saying things are great when everyone is fit and rested but I do think the lack of rotation and backup options available is hampering us massively. Ole clearly doesn't trust any of our backups and it's costing us, we saw it at the end of last season too.
How on Earth can you say what other teams do is none of our concern? Of course it’s our concern we are in a league with them.
Do you trust our backups?