Even if he took over a Championship team Id expect to see a team that looked well drilled in the basics of passing and shape, whatever other limitations it may have.If this were true then Pep wouldn't spend so much.
Ole has had 1 go to sign a CB. What if Pep were stuck on one choice for big money and had to stick with them.
They can replace the weak links because they can afford to.I mean, we've spent lots of money too they just spend better. They're also more decisive about replacing the weak links whereas we hold onto them forever.
We should only be concerned about them when they play us, and the concern should only ever be how we're going to beat them.How on Earth can you say what other teams do is none of our concern? Of course it’s our concern we are in a league with them.
which teams this year look well drilled in the basics more than united out of interest?Even if he took over a Championship team Id expect to see a team that looked well drilled in the basics of passing and shape, whatever other limitations it may have.
I’ll reply to you point by point.Would Pep? Or Klopp?
Would Ferguson rather play Park and Rafael in CM rather than a future world class midfielder?
Is there a potential that the situation isn’t as black and white as you think it is?
We spent less than 50 million this summer.Harry Maguire cost more than any player in their squad.
Ole spent nearly £100m this summer on players he never uses.
Pogba is largely shit
your example of Pep is when he played Delap. Out of interest do you give any credit for Ole for Greenwood/Williams/Mctominay/Henderson/Amad/Chong/Tunazebe/Shoretime?I’ll reply to you point by point.
Point 1: Yes. Almost Pep’s entire Barca team was La Masia products, and you can’t say he only gave those who were too good to fail chances. He played Tello, Roberto, Thiago etc over some world stars in big games. Thiago’s good, but he’s not exactly Iniesta. Not sure about Bayern but at City, he’s the one who blooded Foden, Garcia who’s off to Barca, he played Delap against Leicester. I’m even including the final example when they got hammered because it’s not about success or failure, it’s risk taking. With Klopp, I don’t understand how you can even throw that at me. Search up the amount of young players he gave games to at Dortmund. Mourinho would surely be a better example.
Point 2: Let’s be clear here, he didn’t play Pogba that game because he had it with Raiola. Not because he didn’t recognise Pogba’s talent. I’ll throw one at you too: would Fergie play 7 defenders, including the twins as flying wingers, because he knew he would absolutely nullify Wenger and Arsenal?
Point 3: I don’t know, you tell me. I’ve given you the examples to say it is. You’re telling me it isn’t.
No. I'm not blaming Ole. I'm saying that's the real difference between us and City. City have the luxury of resting players because they trust their backups. We don't so we're running our starters ragged and then acting surprised when their form drops.Do you trust our backups?
The point of the tweet is to say that City’s attack is much more potent than ours and has much more options. Saying City’s attack is cheaper ignores the fact that players like Sterling/Aguero and De Bruyne were signed long before the market exploded. However, they’ve got a strength in depth to rotate/keep fresh/bring players into form. A luxury we don’t have- listing Mata and Fred as viable attacking players doesn’t change that fact.Can anyone explain how the "missing" players factor into this argument? Would it become invalid the moment two of the mentioned City players became "unavailable" through injury, loss of form or any other reason? Also, if the argument is that Ole does not have the same quality and depth of creative players at his disposal, I don't think including the transfer fees does it any favours, seeing how Bruno (£68m), Pogba (£89m), Fred (£47m), van de Beek (£40m), Mata (£37m) and James (£15m) actually cost more (£296m) than City's collective (£276m).
By the way, Ferran is a decent enough winger, but would he provide more than Greenwood (who is not even mentioned in the tweet) has so far?
You don’t think Citys attacking players are bette me than what you have just mentioned?Cavani, Martial, Rashford, VBD, Pogba, Greenwood.
All they’ve done is listed City’s forward players. I honestly don’t think the overall quality is that different. We’re absolutely kidding ourselves if we’re thinking the above players wouldn’t slot right into Pep’s squad.
Completely agree.No. I'm not blaming Ole. I'm saying that's the real difference between us and City. City have the luxury of resting players because they trust their backups. We don't so we're running our starters ragged and then acting surprised when their form drops.
This guy must not know much about football. We have spent as much as City. We have as good a depth. Pogba cost more than any city midfielder, then we have martial, vdb, Diallo, and mata who cost as much as some of the players he described. Plus we have Rashford and Greenwood who are academy players who are valued over £50m.Thoughts team?Tweet
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we have a squad to compete with City?This guy must not know much about football. We have spent as much as City. We have as good a depth. Pogba cost more than any city midfielder, then we have martial, vdb, Diallo, and mata who cost as much as some of the players he described. Plus we have Rashford and Greenwood who are academy players who are valued over £50m.
Coaching is the issue. We have a squad that has the depth to compete with city and definitely beat the like of crystal palace, west brom, sheffield and so on.
No we didn’t.We spent less than 50 million this summer.
Harry Maguire cost the same as Ake and Otamendi.
Yeah it's just frustrating that even when things are going well it's always rumbling under the surface, constant negativity. I do agree last night was woeful, properly bad. I said so at the time.Fair it is, I agree. Same mate that's why I'm a bit surprised to be on a different side to you kind of. But for once, I get the misery. I don't think its that overblown, and I do think it's deserved.
I was laughing at people being negative after 5 minutes in the game last night, this place can be relentlessly draining, in fact I was still laughing and quite relaxed till about 55 odd minutes into the game last night until I realised "shit this is actually going to be another stinker".
I suppose I've just got to the point where some of the negativity is not totally unfair and I side with it to a certain degree. Obviously some people go too far, some of it is massively over the top.
Who did we sign?No we didn’t.
We saw how well he did in his first season at City though. They were a disaster after their great start.Even if he took over a Championship team Id expect to see a team that looked well drilled in the basics of passing and shape, whatever other limitations it may have.
no white text? hmmm okOf course it’s that reason It’s why we need Grealish and Haaland.
The man is over performing but people are too shortsighted to see it.
Pogba is largely shit and so is mata and James.
VDB is just a shit signing.
Diallo didn’t confirm the signing till January and Pellestri was clearly signed for the reserves.No we didn’t.
van de Beek £40m
Diallo £30m
Telles £15m
Pellestri £5-10m
With all the money the Glazers have pumped into the club, right?Poor us, with barely a pair of coins to rub together.
Which players has Ole made worse?If Ole had of bought De Bruyne, Mahrez and Sterling they'd go the same way as every other player we have so maybe Pep deserves credit for getting the best out of them?
he has spent a lot less than City who were at a much stronger place than us.Nice argument if you have spent as much as Burnley. But for us is just a rather poor excuse. He have spent less than City, but that doesn't take away our blame for our irrelevance the last 8 years.
Given the context(United trying to get back to former glory), that is the saddest list of signings I've seen. Not a single starter. And before you bring up Cavani: he's in his mid-30's and a marginal improvement to Martial at best.No we didn’t.
van de Beek £40m
Diallo £30m
Telles £15m
Pellestri £5-10m
I understand that due to their successes City buy from a position of strength and we don't but that doesn't mean we couldn't have done better with our outlay either. I mean the last two seasons alone we spent upwards of 250m and apart from Bruno I don't think we spent it efficently at all.They can replace the weak links because they can afford to.