Thank you for providing facts. Something that some people seem to dismiss all too easily.
“ If De Bruyne (£68m) has an off day, City have Mahrez (£61m), Sterling (£57m), Silva (£45m), Foden, Gundogan (£24m), & Ferran (£21m)
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keep spending the money and bring in better players every window will definitely improve the result. Spend the money on Sancho and Haaland this summer will be a good start.
You're right, it's hard for teams with a collective value of less than probably Maguire on his own to finish chances.
Brighton for eg. though are 6th in the league for xG, only 3 behind us, despite having a far inferior team. Benefits of improving your players innit
What are the benefits exactly?
That must the dumbest tweet I've seen in a while.
Should have read:
If De Bruyne (£68m) has an off day, City have Mahrez (£61m), Sterling (£57m), Silva (£45m), Foden, Gundogan (£24m), & Ferran (£21m) to pick up the creative slack
Bruno (55m) is off. #MUFC left with Rashford (160m) (valuation) Pogba (100m), James (18m), VDB (40m), Greenwood, Cavani, ...
Yes, City have more depth (mostly because they've not thrown away so much money on average players), but this "Oh, poor Ole/Utd, who's only had 300 million to spend in 2 years time" - attitude is just pathetic.
Should have read:
If De Bruyne (£68m) has an off day, City have Mahrez (£61m), Sterling (£57m), Silva (£45m), Foden, Gundogan (£24m), & Ferran (£21m) to pick up the creative slack
Bruno (55m) is off. #MUFC left with Rashford (160m) (valuation) Pogba (100m), James (18m), VDB (40m), Greenwood, Cavani, ...
Yes, City have more depth (mostly because they've not thrown away so much money on average players), but this "Oh, poor Ole/Utd, who's only had 300 million to spend in 2 years time" - attitude is just pathetic.
Thank you for actually taking the time to crunch the numbers!
Players performing better as a collective unit, not having to rely on individual brilliance etc. Which im sure even you could agree isn't sustainable
+1What a fecking terrible post.The Liverpool and Man city squads I gave examples of were when those two first came in. Yet you're comparing them currently.
That Liverpool team are currently terrible, but are coming off two seasons winning the CL and EPL - something which looks like an afterthought with our current 'coach'
Glad you admitted you know feck all about Southampton and Brighton, I weep for you, you must not be aware of any fast, exciting football. Should try giving teams with lesser players who play better football than us a try sometime - refreshing break from the fecking drab 0-0 games we have to endure everytime we don't get a penalty or rely on a moment of brilliance
Also just for a little topping - one of the aforementioned coaches knocked us out of the CL with far inferior players. Funnily enough, you seemed to have missed him
Continue with the straw man arguments though, seems to be the only thing people who want to keep Ole have to try and justify their continued support for him
Nah, it's not dumb. Every single team except City is suffering from burnout this season, nobody else can maintain intensity of performance without rotation, which comes with a drop in quality.
Or do you disagree with that?
Why compare us to City, who we all acknowledge are leap years away from us.
A more level comparison would be Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester and Everton - teams we expected to be in a top 4 battle. All those have had injuries and tough times this season. Most will finish above us this season and we have spent more than the lot of them.
Failed by poor management.
A more level comparison would be Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester and Everton - teams we expected to be in a top 4 battle. All those have had injuries and tough times this season. Most will finish above us this season and we have spent more than the lot of them.
Failed by poor management.
Players performing better as a collective unit, not having to rely on individual brilliance etc. Which im sure even you could agree isn't sustainable
WHAT?
This is genuinely the worst post I’ve ever seen.
Crystal Palace, Weat Brom, Liverpool, Sheffield United, Everton. All teams we've failed to beat, all teams City have for the large part put to the sword, while having no striker and KDB injured.
It might not be all about coaching, but having top tier coaches is pretty important too. Pep is on another level to Ole, we've seen over the last 7 years its not just about money spent, and "world class players". You have to be able put it all together too.
This tweet is all words and no substance, typical of clickbait stuff you see these days.
It might not be all about coaching, but having top tier coaches is pretty important too. Pep is on another level to Ole, we've seen over the last 7 years its not just about money spent, and "world class players". You have to be able put it all together too.
This tweet is all words and no substance, typical of clickbait stuff you see these days.
On the payroll so will toe the party line like the rest of them
Troll off
The truth
Net spent from 11/12 to 20/21
https://www.transfermarkt.com/trans...&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0
| # | club | Expenditure | Arrivals | Income | Departures | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Manchester City | €1.53bn | 253 | €501.71m | 254 | €-1,026.19m |
| 2 | Chelsea FC | €1.47bn | 331 | €966.56m | 319 | €-498.44m |
| 3 | Manchester United | €1.34bn | 171 | €399.46m | 176 | €-944.15m |
| 4 | Liverpool FC | €1.00bn | 199 | €661.67m | 192 | €-339.31m |
| 5 | Arsenal FC | €906.65m | 188 | €435.14m | 189 | €-471.51m |
| 6 | Tottenham Hotspur | €790.26m | 185 | €625.41m | 196 | €-164.85m |
Yeah it's pretty much the same!Almost twice the price isn't that much expensive.
Cavani, Van de Beek, Amad and Pellestri were the players we bought last summer
VDb hadn't worked .. Cavani has been injured most of the time..
No wonder the wheels starting to come off now ..
VDb hadn't worked .. Cavani has been injured most of the time..
No wonder the wheels starting to come off now ..
Pathetic, pitiful propaganda.
Wonder where you'd be without Fernandes... Probably fighting with Spurs, Arsenal and Villa, I think.
Ole has spent 300m on players in two years. In ten years, we've spent 1,3 billion! Who cares what City is doing?
The point is it's pathetic to whine about them when the only reasons we are in a slump is:
a) Years of transfer mismanagement
b) Not having a clear identity as a team. One of the reasons why City can rotate so easily is their clearly outlined system. Jesus, Zinchenko, Gundogan, Torres, Mendy, Walker, Stones... none of these guys are world class. Playing for us, they would look bang average.
c) Ole not resting players, even in dead rubbers. Or never making a sub before the 70' mark.
Ole's spent €300m and sold €130m of players over 2 years. It's nothing outrageous.
Who said I'm whining? Actually I'm extremely bullish about United and their position in the table and feel we're in our best shape post-SAF. Younger and hungrier squad, clear transfer strategy, youth players being brought through, players are giving their all.
a.) Nothing to do with Ole. His transfers have been good, IMO.
b.) All aspects of this are wrong. You've no idea what you're talking about. Only high quality, technical players can perform in their system. You think that the players you hand-picked wouldn't improve United? Sure.
c.) I can think of maybe 2 occasions where Ole could've rested players but didn't over the course of the season. Also nothing to do with this thread.
I didn't say you were whining, I said the Twitter post comes down to whining about another team for having spend their money more wisely.
a) Nothing to do with Ole, but also nothing to do with City.
b) Ah yes, Benjamin Mendy and consorts are high quality, super technical, world class players. You clearly are an expert. Off course a well-defined system improves individuals. Just like it did last year at Liverpool. Just like it does at Leicester.
c) You don't find it weird to complain about tired players, but at the same time always play the exact same team? Why buy guys like VDB, Telles, ... and then never play them? Bit silly to complain about squad options if you don't even use yours...
Poor us, with barely a pair of coins to rub together.
Yep. We've spent shitloads over the years. Yet need to pretend were poor as feck. 130 million spent on the defence and it's still average. 30 million spent during the pandemic on VDB and he's so bad we don't even count him as a replacement for Bruno.So yeah, coaching does matter. Especially when City have the very best in the business and we have Ole with barely any credentials.
What an utter waste of our wealth.
But most important of all, City has better scouts than ours. it doesn't matter how much you spend, if you end up re-selling ALL of them at a loss. Silva is a good example, was he famous before joining City - NO. Was he picked up from garbage can like Gnarby - NO. We spend 50m on Martial and still debating whether he is good enough, while 45m Silva, although not spectacular, still contribute to the team.
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We've got expensive players everywhere - Shaw (record teenager at the the time?), Maguire (most expensive CB sigh), Lindelof and Balley (around 50m), AwB (50 million), Fred (nearly 50), VDV (around 30), Pogba (world record fee), Bruno (big signing), Mata (major signing for the team), Rashford (would be worth shitloads), Martial (again, mega fee for the time), Cavani (big name CF on big wages)
Also, nobody told Ole to sell Lukaku who is going to be a Serie A winning CF soon. The club didn't force him. Like Conte he could have gotten him performing at his best. Many were happy with that choice but if was his choice.
So yeah, were rich as feck.
Exactly. Why ignore that Rashford is worth more than anyone in City's front line? Because - excuses. I doubt Barcelona would say life is so hard for them to have to rely on players like Messi (free) for the number 10 role.
We've got expensive players everywhere - Shaw (record teenager at the the time?), Maguire (most expensive CB sigh), Lindelof and Balley (around 50m), AwB (50 million), Fred (nearly 50), VDV (around 30), Pogba (world record fee), Bruno (big signing), Mata (major signing for the team), Rashford (would be worth shitloads), Martial (again, mega fee for the time), Cavani (big name CF on big wages)
Also, nobody told Ole to sell Lukaku who is going to be a Serie A winning CF soon. The club didn't force him. Like Conte he could have gotten him performing at his best. Many were happy with that choice but if was his choice.
So yeah, were rich as feck.
The price tags are distracting from that tweet's argument. It's not about the money spent on players, but how much we invested in creative players and alternatives.
" If De Bruyne(£68m) has an off day, City have Mahrez (£61m), Sterling (£57m), Silva (£45m), Foden, Gundogan (£24m), & Ferran (£21m) to pick up the creative slack Bruno is off. #MUFC left with James/Rashford Pogba, VDB, & Mata all missing But apparently it’s about coaching... "
" If De Bruyne
Few things - Silva was one of the best players in an incredible Monaco team who went far in the CL and broke the PSG domestic dominance. He was well known.
Secondly, players like Silva etc. Wouldn't look nearly as good playing for us. Movement is static, passes are slow and predictable, there's a lack of triangles etc
Quite embarrassing to say, we’ve spend nearly as much.
It's never ole's fault.
Even if he spends 300M in a season, how could we expect anything from him when City spends ... er... 200M but that's not the point, because they have Guardiola..... er.... actually we have ole, that's not down to Guardiola, that's down their oil sheikh owner who lets him outspend.... oh wait.... Glazers' bleeding the club dry, how dare they don't give ole 300m.... oh... wait.... Even if he gave ole 300M how can they expect him to perform better when City is outspending everyone and can field 200M worth of midfielder while we can only field..... oh....wait....
Even if he spends 300M in a season, how could we expect anything from him when City spends ... er... 200M but that's not the point, because they have Guardiola..... er.... actually we have ole, that's not down to Guardiola, that's down their oil sheikh owner who lets him outspend.... oh wait.... Glazers' bleeding the club dry, how dare they don't give ole 300m.... oh... wait.... Even if he gave ole 300M how can they expect him to perform better when City is outspending everyone and can field 200M worth of midfielder while we can only field..... oh....wait....
How long is ' long-term ?'
Good point. What I felt really embarrassing, was comparing City's bench to ours . Perhaps comparing is not appropriate, ' cause there is none !
Yes. They've been correctly building their squad for a long time now. We were in a similar position with SAF and the 4,5 attacking options we always had.
At least Liverpool are a mess now so we don't have to watch them be good anymore while we go through the pains of our rebuild.
All this thread proves is how inconsistent people arguments are (before anyone comes up with did same people make other arguments, yes the same people did). All the arguments are based on whether you like the manager or not, whether you think the manager should stay or go.
Jose fans argued how Jose wasn't backed even when he spent loads of money both on transfers and wages, they argued how he didn't spend even more or how he didn't get Perisic, Willian. At that time people who wanted him out argued he was backed and should do better job.
Few of the Jose hardcores now argue that Ole is backed and shouldn't rely on not signing one player (like Sancho), it's ironic as these posters main argument was not signing Perisic. Now the people who wanted Jose out completely turned the argument upside down and argue how Ole isn't backed when he has spent as much if not more than Jose.
Not taking any moral high ground here, point is every ManUtd manager is/was backed sufficiently. Only exception might be Moyes and there might be so many reasons for that. Apart from that Van Gaal, Jose, Ole were all among the top spenders both in league and europe. "Wasn't backed" shouldn't be the argument.
It's all funny though how the posters are arguing against their old posts now.
Jose fans argued how Jose wasn't backed even when he spent loads of money both on transfers and wages, they argued how he didn't spend even more or how he didn't get Perisic, Willian. At that time people who wanted him out argued he was backed and should do better job.
Few of the Jose hardcores now argue that Ole is backed and shouldn't rely on not signing one player (like Sancho), it's ironic as these posters main argument was not signing Perisic. Now the people who wanted Jose out completely turned the argument upside down and argue how Ole isn't backed when he has spent as much if not more than Jose.
Not taking any moral high ground here, point is every ManUtd manager is/was backed sufficiently. Only exception might be Moyes and there might be so many reasons for that. Apart from that Van Gaal, Jose, Ole were all among the top spenders both in league and europe. "Wasn't backed" shouldn't be the argument.
It's all funny though how the posters are arguing against their old posts now.
Just imagine if SAF had this mentality, by looking at how much other teams spent.
There's no point comparing any team to City. They are the most financially-doped team in the history of sport and that gives them an incredible advantage, It's not just about the money they can spend, it's the fact they can spend it without having to balance the books or recoup losses. Buy a GK, doesn't work out? Buy another! Buy a CB, doesn't work out, by a few more...don't work out? Buy another £53m player...oh, and take another £35m player just in-case the £53m lad doesn't work out. Full backs no good? Have two more....hang on, better make it three more in case one doesn't work!
It's that kind of advantage to be able to just stockpile players and instantly correct issues with the squad that no other team has. Regardless of how rich (or not) the other teams are, they still have to make good choices and live with their bad choices. City don't. They can make as many bad choices as they want and there are literally no consequences.
In fact, I would argue City have made more bad transfers than most teams.
If you take City out of the equation, we're top...maybe all of the people whingeing should think about that?
It's that kind of advantage to be able to just stockpile players and instantly correct issues with the squad that no other team has. Regardless of how rich (or not) the other teams are, they still have to make good choices and live with their bad choices. City don't. They can make as many bad choices as they want and there are literally no consequences.
In fact, I would argue City have made more bad transfers than most teams.
If you take City out of the equation, we're top...maybe all of the people whingeing should think about that?
Failed to beat crystal palace because city is spending 200m on midfielder.
I think this tweet was shown that how bench power is important, when their players are out of form / injury / rest, they can replace another same or a little bit less quality player to play the game in all area. We !? We don't have such level players on the bench, especially our injury record since Jan.
Also, their skill of negotiation are miles better than our board, i don't think we can buy Gundogan-like players by that little cost (the brand of Manutd additional fee shall be considered).
And when you compare the transfer fee of city and united since Ole arrived, it is nearly same spending fee but they are strengthening 25 squad list and we are repairing start eleven.
In the last draw match is showing that our players have not enough stamina/fitness to push forward & play fast to destroy the low block team which play counter. Late tackle by Fred, a 5-yard pass fail etc were indicated that our team are out of stamina. It's relied on team selection & squad quantity and quality rather than the tactic.
Exactly. You know those lot will come up with any shit to deflect from the reality.