I’d have James ahead of fecking Jesus.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Pope's not going to like that. How about T. Abraham then?
Not trying to find excuses, but I think most our games this season being 3 or 4 days apart took a toll on our consistency. I don't know what changed today but after the 1-6 vs spurs we approached our big games too conservatively - regardless I'm glad we broke out of our shell, against the form team right now no less.
We've beat PSG, City, and hammered Leipzig this season which shows we are capable of taking our game to any side on our day. I hope the consistency issue is addressed next season because that's mainly what's holding us from taking us to the next level.
Thought it was the most purposeful and brave counter attacking performance to date. The players opted for forward passes time and again, breaking the lines, and not shying away from taking the ball under pressure.
Hopefully this raises our performances from now, even against teams who don't set up conveniently against us.
Hopefully this raises our performances from now, even against teams who don't set up conveniently against us.
Who said he was? You’re the one that said that Ole is a clown and ranieri is ten times the manger and are happy with that opinion.
This season? Yes. Probably a lesser of 2 evils.
If we're talking overall, Aguero would still get in over both of them.
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It is a metafor. I am pointing out he is not the level of a Manchester united manager.
Anyhow. If you/others are offended by my posts about Ole and you feel they are too harsh, I will absolutely tone it down and keep it simple and apologise for any inconvenience. Good night.
Like I said, lots of people disagree with Ole as the manager and they all make valid points so you can normally enter into a discussion. Anyway it’s more about making it about the managerial abilities not personal about the managers. We all want what’s best for the club so let’s stick with that.
Of biblical proportions!
Agree.
It’s very true. There is talent in this team for sure but there are many things to improve and imagine how good this team can be when finding consistency.
I’d have current manager Ole ahead of James.
Aguero is done and Martial is better than both of them. Jesus this season only been good because he’s playing in that team. He couldn’t perform well in our team in his current Season form. So I’d still take Martial.
I can't figure out what has happened to ole's tactics against low blocks from last season
Last season since Bruno arrival this was our tactic against low blocks:
4-2-3-1 where wingers with opposite preferred foots (Rashford R leg in LW , Mason L leg in RW)
so they positioned inside the box to cut inside and score goals and our FBs provided width while positioned as wingers on sidelines
and we were great in fast one touch football and playing line breaking passes down the middle
This season : ole still mostly plays Rashford and Mason on opposite sides so they are expected to score (in box) , not to provide width but seen lots of times rashford and mason stuck on sidelines far away from goal
Bruno is playing very deep and without him another midfielders can't break opposition midfield line down the middle so they pass it wide in an endless useless cycle
and the distance between attackers and midfielders is very long
If his team starts to play like last season I'd love him to stay But if they continue playing shit , clueless and disorganised against low blocks
Hopefully we will finish top 4 then he must be replaced with a young promosing tactically smart manager ( nagelsmann )
And please don't Blame squad because it was smaller and less diverse last season but we played a very nice football
Last season since Bruno arrival this was our tactic against low blocks:
4-2-3-1 where wingers with opposite preferred foots (Rashford R leg in LW , Mason L leg in RW)
so they positioned inside the box to cut inside and score goals and our FBs provided width while positioned as wingers on sidelines
and we were great in fast one touch football and playing line breaking passes down the middle
This season : ole still mostly plays Rashford and Mason on opposite sides so they are expected to score (in box) , not to provide width but seen lots of times rashford and mason stuck on sidelines far away from goal
Bruno is playing very deep and without him another midfielders can't break opposition midfield line down the middle so they pass it wide in an endless useless cycle
and the distance between attackers and midfielders is very long
If his team starts to play like last season I'd love him to stay But if they continue playing shit , clueless and disorganised against low blocks
Hopefully we will finish top 4 then he must be replaced with a young promosing tactically smart manager ( nagelsmann )
And please don't Blame squad because it was smaller and less diverse last season but we played a very nice football
I have no idea either. However... I have my eyes on you.Yeah, dont know how I ended up wit that guy.
His every post is having shot after shot at Ole. One of the worst around really and that's an achievement.
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You’re trying to ridicule someone for mentioning they won a CAF award for being funny. You’re calling Ole a clown. Seems bitter to me.
And I think a lack of patience with managers and the instant gratification culture is probably one of the most toxic things about some United fans.
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Honestly, I didn't read his comment or the one he referenced.
My comment is purely meant as a broad sweeping statement and not a reflection of the merits of either of your arguments.
However, I do agree that searching someone's history to try to start an argument, unless it is particularly relevant to the current discussion is a waste of time and energy.
I think there is almost no real “low block” team in the league this season. They all play with pressing and intensity. Most wait to start pressing once you enter their half rather than put a low block. We therefore very rarely could find a opportunity to play a real low block team. I only remember the game against Southampton we played the low block for large portion of the game.
You're right
But consider palace , West ham , West Brom and other teams who defend in their half as you mentioned
They are our biggest problem this season
and they are teams which my question is about
I didn’t say that, when did I? I’m not saying we should not point out issues when we note some. I do that. For example, I believe Ole should think more about using the subs at an earlier stage in games rather than waiting till the last 10-15 mins to make a substitution. It’s perfectly fine to point out things we believe need to improve. It’s perfectly fine to say we didn’t play well when we don’t play well. But what is happening here is that when we lose a game, Ole turns to a PE teacher, to someone who can not lead the team, someone who will never win a trophy. All i’m saying is that a bad result should not impact our general assessment of how well (in my opinion at least) he’s done.
Ole outers livid tonight no doubt. That win was for reasonable Utd fans who understand this squad can only achieve so much.
Why? As I say, win lose or draw he's not good enough and must go.
You forgot God
Hahahahaha. Beats Pep for the 4th time and we are 2nd in the PL and he's not good enough? The only manager with a better head to head record Vs Pep in football.
You're clueless. This squad is definitely not a title winning one. 2nd for this group of players in my opinion is it's peak. Yes we've got some good players but we've got far too many medicore ones.
You can choose any manager in world football to be boss this season, bar taking Pep from City and we'd not be winning the league.
Ole needs to be given a new deal and get players he actually wants. Not freebies on deadline day and Donny who he clearly doesn't rate one bit.
How do we beat shit teams? big teams have never been our problems.
Yea, I was not talking about you there but more about people like @Nou_Camp99 who literally confirmed what I said just a post below yours
Who cares about his record vs Pep? Do we get a trophy for that? Do we play a Pep team every week? Doesn't he also have like one win over Pep, anyways who cares. Pep builds sides that win important trophies not head to head records.Hahahahaha. Beats Pep for the 4th time and we are 2nd in the PL and he's not good enough? The only manager with a better head to head record Vs Pep in football.
You're clueless. This squad is definitely not a title winning one. 2nd for this group of players in my opinion is it's peak. Yes we've got some good players but we've got far too many medicore ones.
You can choose any manager in world football to be boss this season, bar taking Pep from City and we'd not be winning the league.
Ole needs to be given a new deal and get players he actually wants. Not freebies on deadline day and Donny who he clearly doesn't rate one bit.
We're 2nd, a country mile off first place and a point above mighty Leicester. Come off it, we not even on pace for 80 points. Even Jose achieved that.
You live in a dream world. The man has spent 170 million on Donny, AWB and Maguire. That man won't be building a title winning squad in your lifetime. Give him a deal and more money to waste, what good is that gonna do us?
At the moment nothing is good enough, not the squad and not the coach. Changes are needed no matter how deluded people like you feel. Pretty sure you were one of those Jose loyalists who kept harping on about coming second as if its some achievement.
They have been this season?
Wasn't today only our 4th win against Top 10 teams, and 1st against a current Top 4 team?
Who cares about his record vs Pep? Do we get a trophy for that? Do we play a Pep team every week? Doesn't he also have like one win over Pep, anyways who cares. Pep builds sides that win important trophies not head to head records.Hahahahaha. Beats Pep for the 4th time and we are 2nd in the PL and he's not good enough? The only manager with a better head to head record Vs Pep in football.
You're clueless. This squad is definitely not a title winning one. 2nd for this group of players in my opinion is it's peak. Yes we've got some good players but we've got far too many medicore ones.
You can choose any manager in world football to be boss this season, bar taking Pep from City and we'd not be winning the league.
Ole needs to be given a new deal and get players he actually wants. Not freebies on deadline day and Donny who he clearly doesn't rate one bit.
We're 2nd, a country mile off first place and a point above mighty Leicester. Come off it, we not even on pace for 80 points. Even Jose achieved that.
You live in a dream world. The man has spent 170 million on Donny, AWB and Maguire. That man won't be building a title winning squad in your lifetime. Give him a deal and more money to waste, what good is that gonna do us?
At the moment nothing is good enough, not the squad and not the coach. Changes are needed no matter how deluded people like you feel. Pretty sure you were one of those Jose loyalists who kept harping on about coming second as if its some achievement. It's not! Not at this club anyways.
Another brilliant performance in a big game, back to where we were previous seasons after too cautious approach in our previous big games this year. His record against Pep is quite admirable and to be fair most of these games we won comfortably without giving away any significant chances to City.
Once we sort out our team to be more capable against bottom 6-8 teams we should be even more established at the top of the table. Shame about our unlucky CL exit as I think we would have had a shot against anyone there.
Once we sort out our team to be more capable against bottom 6-8 teams we should be even more established at the top of the table. Shame about our unlucky CL exit as I think we would have had a shot against anyone there.
Considering your yet another meltdown after a win I somehow doubt you’d be that happy to see a manager you clearly despise succeed. I honestly don’t get how someone can hate someone associated with their favorite club to the extent you despise Ole. I disliked Moyes and it still wasn’t even a quarter of how strong you seem to feel what you feel about Ole (who is also a club legend).
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You forget Mohamed Salah. Abraham in as second striker. I presume David is going to be in goal.
Che Adams in midfield?
Your posts are embarrassing, would not surprise me at all if you’re a scouser in disguise.
I understand what you are saying. This was a very good result and he got everything right. The players played well too
But there is no point in beating Pep every match if we can't beat Fat Sam and Sean Dyche and Roy and Moyes.
You just don't get it.
Ole is not going to win the league title with this squad. Nobody is. What's so difficult to comprehend? Pep wouldn't either. Half of them can't pass the ball well enough.
You're not winning a league title with Fred, Mctomminay Dan James Lindelof as regulars etc. Just not going to happen. Top 4? Sure. Beat City? Yea why not as we do that a lot.
But you won't win a league title over 38 games with our squad over theirs. Just not going to happen. Liverpool somehow managed it which still amazes me but it seems to have left them broken from it. Klopp has ran that team into the ground.
If Ole had the best team in the land we could be unhappy with where we are. But he doesn't. Blame the board. They are the reason we don't have the best team anymore.
....Feck me.
How can you still support this club if you can be this fickle minded.
Sack, change, sack, change, sack change, trophies, trophies, trophies.
All that matters when supporting a club eh?
pity you.
The good thing with Ole right now is that he's able to get the team going on long runs of unbeaten form. Granted at times we draw too many games, but trying to insert the mindset into your team of not wanting and more importantly, not being used to losing is a very important characteristic, in the long run that will help improve the team no end. I know people are impatient and moan when we draw and bitch because we aren't in the title race, but I think he's playing the long game of trying to improve the club and player morale. Making us a very hard team to beat and instilling that confidence into the team.
Granted we've hit bumps and the process has certainly been... slow and at times it's resulted in painfully dull games. But it does seem to be working long term. We've lost 4 PL games in the last 42. Surely, people must realise that is significant progress. The important part in my opinion is that we aren't downward spiralling, as a team and squad we're still improving and the results have gotten better. Still lots of work to do, but ultimately the rebuild is a slow one because our board are fecking slow.
Either way, it's going to be an interesting Summer window for us with hopefully covid no longer a problem we can go into next season in full force with the confidence and squad to really push for a title. Hopefully on the back of a trophy win, be that in the FA Cup, Europa or both. Thats my internal milestone for the club anyway, I just wanted us to improve this year, reach a final and get a trophy on the back of an improved premier league campaign. Small steady steps, pushing us back in the right direction.
Granted we've hit bumps and the process has certainly been... slow and at times it's resulted in painfully dull games. But it does seem to be working long term. We've lost 4 PL games in the last 42. Surely, people must realise that is significant progress. The important part in my opinion is that we aren't downward spiralling, as a team and squad we're still improving and the results have gotten better. Still lots of work to do, but ultimately the rebuild is a slow one because our board are fecking slow.
Either way, it's going to be an interesting Summer window for us with hopefully covid no longer a problem we can go into next season in full force with the confidence and squad to really push for a title. Hopefully on the back of a trophy win, be that in the FA Cup, Europa or both. Thats my internal milestone for the club anyway, I just wanted us to improve this year, reach a final and get a trophy on the back of an improved premier league campaign. Small steady steps, pushing us back in the right direction.
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