It's honestly like Ty from AFTV at this point.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
He hasn’t wrestled in four years and is one concussion away from retirement. You can see why WWE were reluctant to give him a big contract. This isn’t like the Bryan situation as Bryan was younger and obviously more popular than Christian.It did for the next few weeks
How could a WWE fan not think that being a 9 time tag team champion, 4 time IC title champion, 2 time world heavyweight champion, 2 time ECW champion and a Triple Crown and Grand Slam Champion is not a huge star?
Simple. When they sign for AEW
Dixy Khan needs to keep his mouth shut next time unless he can get Brock or Punk. Big Show and Christian in 2021, I am pretty sure AEW fans were mocking whenever Big Show appeared on TV but now it’s refreshing to see Paul Wight.
Christian isnt a 'huge huge star'. Whether hes in WWE or AEW. He fits the criteria of what Paul Wight said I believe, but Tony Khan should not have added his thoughts the way he did. Theres defending and then theres over defending.
E&C is my fav tag team probably of all time, and I wish he had done something more with Edge, but im excited about him in AEW. But hes not a hugehuge star.
Maybe, I am still surprised the ending of that deathmatch was defended.
E&C is my fav tag team probably of all time, and I wish he had done something more with Edge, but im excited about him in AEW. But hes not a hugehuge star.
No not really given what I just said above. I really want AEW to grow and hopefully Christian does that.Are you actually?
Maybe, I am still surprised the ending of that deathmatch was defended.
The Miz is a 2 time WWE champion, 8 time Intercontinental champion, 2 time US champion and 8 time Tag Team champion, yet we were talking about his body shape a few days ago instead of admitting he's a huge star. But when someone with the same profile signs with AEW suddenly they are huge huge stars.
By the way I actually think he's a star in AEW and I think they will use him properly and he'll be great there. Happy for him. But he is NOT a huge huge star in pro wrestling by any measures.
By the way I actually think he's a star in AEW and I think they will use him properly and he'll be great there. Happy for him. But he is NOT a huge huge star in pro wrestling by any measures.
Apart from the ending i thought it was a good match, but my god the ending spoiled it so much. To say they have booked themselves into a corner is an understatement, and no matter what they do to salvage it Eddie's credibility will be in pieces. Moxley was passed out from the brutal match so wouldnt have known any better anyway, Kenny Omega can go with the route of it was all a plan to make the world think they were going to genuinely blow up the ring... even the commentary can play the line of 'we were waiting for a bigger explosion'.
No matter how you sell it the fact is that Eddie passed out from a few sparklers going off.
No matter how you sell it the fact is that Eddie passed out from a few sparklers going off.
HHH you're a cheat. I hope NXT gets relegated
What the hell is happening here?
For anyone who hasn't seen it yet...
Very true regarding the Miz.
The best part is the laughter after it happens.
actually the best part is this thread, but still...
Aw jeez
Another angle
Yeah but remember that one time WWE set somebody on fire or Alexa Bliss and black magic. Yeah. So thats why it shows, when that happened, the momentum of the force which is x, means that was perfectly executed to the point that every move should look like that.
Haha, did you see NXT ratings? Toilet.
Again nobody from AEW has suggested they poached him from WWE
If WWE wanted him and offered him a big deal and made him feel important like hes being presented as in AEW, why wouldnt he sign with them?
TNA signed Jeff Hardy shortly after he was one of the most popular faces in WWE, after his drugs bust and being let go. They signed Angle when he could go great too. Its not about who they sign, its about how they use them, how they book everyone and how they make new stars.
If Christian is used with someone else to elevate them it'll hopefully pay off. If he comes in to win the title from Omega and sit as the champion for months thats obviously going backwards and doing what TNA did with the main event mafia being on top all the time.
If he can do what MVP has done - and Christian is far better than MVP was as a wrestler, then that'll be positive for the show.
Theres space for well known guys and new guys, but the new guys need to be the ones you're building because thats your future.
And I will say I would personally like to see some of the "extras" left off from the show. For example I dont think Cody needs Arn right now, I dont think Archer needs Jake and I guess they're still doing something with FTR, Tully and Spears so wrap that up and just have the current guys, FTR and Spears or whatever.
Vicky and Nyla, I guess she gets her some more heat but I would say thats run its course too.
I quite like when the older guys have a storyline as a mouthpiece, but they should be in and out where it makes sense not just hanging around as part of the show every week. Thats where AEW can clear some space. Because they dont have 3-4 shows where guys can be in main events. They have 1 big show a week, and Dark and the new show are more for developing people. They have so much talent for just 1 show that you start to have things like Miro coming in and just having to wait for his push doing the kip angle.
As of right now Big Show isnt even wrestling, hes just a well known name doing some talking and commentary
So basically AEW signed a 50 year old tag team wrestler from WWE.
The brass ring for the ladder match was dumb too. I've seen it called the golden cheerio and Sonic's ring.
Just use a contract on a clipboard or a briefcase.
Just use a contract on a clipboard or a briefcase.
Come on @Ekeke this isn’t even the same comparison. Those two had problems, but they were still in their prime. Angle in 2006 was the best wrestler, but just had other demons in his life at the time. Him and Taker in Feb that year had a great match. He had a good feud with Orton. WWE refused to give him time off, so he decided to leave.
Christian in 2021 is not the best wrestler. He hasn’t wrestled a singles match in four years. It’s not the same comparison to the above two.
Thats what I'm saying, those were bigger signings and TNA didnt do well. So its not about the signings is it? Its about how people are used and booked and about elevating the people like Samoa Joe and AJ Styles to also be top stars, which TNA failed to do because they wanted to push the likes of Scott Steiner and Booker T instead
The comparison now would be the likes of Pac, Fenix, MJF, Jungle Boy, Darby. You dont want the older guys coming in and taking a spot the younger guys here could have been given an oppertunity with. You want similar to what Sting, or Taz or MVP are doing where they're involved but its a spotlight for the new guys/Lashley
Yes Sting, a 61 year old man pinning 27 year old Ricky Starks.
Its easy to over react but damn that’s one if the biggest fails in wrestling history, I’m sure that clip will be played for the next 10-15 years.
Hilarious though how the crowd goes completely silent once the sparklers go off followed by the boo’s
You could hear somebody shouting this is stupid too. Probably came off bad live
At least Moxley tried to play towards it.
They should just say Kingston had a shock and will be out for a while and then never bring it up again
At least Moxley tried to play towards it.
They should just say Kingston had a shock and will be out for a while and then never bring it up again
In a cinematic match. What was the result of Undertaker Vs. AJ Styles again?
You honestly can't see the difference between Ricky Starks and AJ styles?
Utter delusion and whatabouttery.
I can tell you the difference
Ricky Starks isnt a main eventer. Not yet at least. He was hired after getting a shot having been on NWA, something barely anyone watched. Losing to Sting in a street fight is still a career making move for him at this point. He's great so in a year or two he's one of many that you'd want to see being pushed to the top
AJ Styles, if hes going to be one of your top guys, thats when you dont want him losing to an old guy who can only do cinematic matches. Because hes the one who still had something in the tank
But he lost and not only lost, but he supposedly died and you didnt care, because he's in WWE not AEW
I can see your point but a new fan isnt going to get into wrestling if they have to suspend their disbelief to this degree.
I remember when i started to lose interest back in the day when Stone Cold lifted Triple H car up by a crane and just dropped it, seemingly trying to kill him.
Maybe the future of wrestling is to just admit its a tv show with credits etc at the end of each episode and actually kill off characters like its Hollyoaks.
Lucha Underground did that, it started the cinematic matches trend. It also had Bray Wyatt/ Alexa Bliss chocolate milk magic and characters being "killed"
It got cancelled
Yeah but has to be done right. I do understand shows get cancelled, creating great tv shows isnt an easy feat.
I think it would have been more popular if the idea is good.
For me personally I think its much better to go in the sports direction towards UFC and MMA, more like New Japan (But not as far as Inokism) rather than fantasy tv show wrestling
Why not just watch a fantasy tv show if thats what you want to watch? Why should there be wrestling involved?
Would Game of Thrones have been better if every battle was in a wrestling ring?
With wrestling what you are able to do is, like movies, have cool fight scenes and moments that are possible in MMA but rarely seen because of how hard it is to do them in that environment and not leave yourself exposed and looking like an idiot as you get K.O'd. So that for me is the appeal of having it sports based
But it doesnt have to be fantasy, just gives the product license to do what theyre doing anyway but to a higher standard. I saw the Undertaker match in the graveyard, that didnt get WWE cancelled.
Everybody knows its fake so why not embrace it and up the production value? You can see what theyre aiming for but the need to present it as real makes it look even faker imo.
Nothing gets WWE cancelled. If something could, they've done it by now. And the Boneyard match was good. But one of the reasons it was good is because for most people watching it was something new and different. If the whole show is like that then it defeats the purpose.
It doesnt all have to be graveyard fights. Its just the way they can present and frame it. You can still have athletic matches that follow the traditional pattern but its hard to have an explosive barb wire death match be in the same category as that. The choice is made so give them full reign to actually kill the man who jumped on top of Moxley and frame an explosion that comes across well on tv. Its a match type that can only be a flop last night.
I doubt itll happen but thats just my opinion
It did for the next few weeks
How could a WWE fan not think that being a 9 time tag team champion, 4 time IC title champion, 2 time world heavyweight champion, 2 time ECW champion and a Triple Crown and Grand Slam Champion is not a huge star?
Simple. When they sign for AEW
AJ Styles a 43 year old who's been champion and is already made, losing to the Undertaker at wrestle mania is bad
But Starks who isn't made losing to Sting is good?
And he's not even on the payroll
But Starks who isn't made losing to Sting is good?
And he's not even on the payroll
I don't actually think he believes half of the shite he spouts, just enjoys being bit of heel.AJ Styles a 43 year old who's been champion and is already made, losing to the Undertaker at wrestle mania is bad
But Starks who isn't made losing to Sting is good?
And he's not even on the payroll
Getting pinned by 61 year old sting when you've accomplished feck all is a good thing.
Getting pinned by the undertaker in his retirement match, when youre one of the few people that can say you've won the big ones across the world, well that's just bad for business.
That's just plain embarassing. If this is what AEW plan to present in their "WrestleMania" as Tony Khan put it, then I don't even know what to say.
The best part is the laughter after it happens.
actually the best part is this thread, but still...
Christian isn't a big star, in any sense of the word. Let's be serious, for a second. Listing wrestling observer awards and his hardcore championships doesn't change that fact.It did for the next few weeks
How could a WWE fan not think that being a 9 time tag team champion, 4 time IC title champion, 2 time world heavyweight champion, 2 time ECW champion and a Triple Crown and Grand Slam Champion is not a huge star?
Simple. When they sign for AEW
Oh no, you lost a wrestle mania main event on night 1 where you didn't even get pinned but had dirt thrown on you
How can you ever be taken seriously again?
And the bolded bit would be fine if it was restricted to this thread. I actually do think he believes it, but that makes it funnier for the rest
Then again maybe it's the only way he will get interactions by taking the route of a shock jockey or reverse Jim cornette