"Who cares about cups?"

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Mr Pigeon said:
If you ask any fan one simple question; "would you rather win the league or the FA Cup?", Then the entire thing falls apart because it just highlights how little the cup means anymore.

At least with the Champions League there's a feeling of your status being elevated somewhat. You did well in the league and now you're in the Promised Land filled with pixies and orcs and shithead Turkish referees who give Nani a red card but let that feckhead Ramos get away with murder.

But the cup? It's just window dressing. To me, anyway.
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Rather a strange thing to say, you're always going to want to win the league over a cup, but that doesn't devalue the cup.

The only reason the CL gets so much prioroty nowadays is because of the $. Oh to have the days of the CL being for actual champions back again.
 

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alexthelion said:
Rather a strange thing to say, you're always going to want to win the league over a cup, but that doesn't devalue the cup.

The only reason the CL gets so much prioroty nowadays is because of the $. Oh to have the days of the CL being for actual champions back again.
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That's true, I admit it's a strange mindset to have but admittedly it's been a recent thing for me. I think it's due to not having much time to actually enjoy football the past year or so.
 

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Ask me who won the FA Cup/ league cup the last 10 years? Same with the German cup, Spanish cup. Would only give a guess.

I could probably name the English, German, Spanish league winners though.
 

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It's just a fact that the status of cups ain't what it used to be.

Sadly, I would say - because the FA Cup used to be very special. But it's no use pretending it still is.
 

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Our League form since that famous FA Cup 4th Round win against Liverpool:

home vs Sheffield: 1-2 Lose
away vs Arsenal: 0-0 Draw
home vs Southampton: 9-0 Win
home vs Everton: 3-3 Draw.

All within ~3-4 days of each other.

In December and January, we played 18 games. Which turns into one game on every ~3 days: 12 League, 4 domestic Cups, 2 CL.
If we ditched those domestic Cups games, we'd have 14 games; which turns into 1 game / ~4 days. More rest time for our thin squad (in terms of quality players).
 
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Massive opportunity lost here. Southampton in a semi final? No disrespect but you can’t ask for much better than that.
 

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Posted this in another thread that was seemingly just deleted:

Major finals (CL, EL, FAC, LC) reached since Ole became United manager in December 2018:

Manchester City: 4
Chelsea: 3
Tottenham Hotspur: 2
Arsenal: 2
Liverpool: 1
Aston Villa: 1
Watford: 1

You can give Manchester City and Chelsea another 0.5 each already, and pencil Leicester in too.
 

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The only teams snobbish about winning cups are the team incapable of winning them. Liverpool are pretty much the only team in the last 20 years who have won the big two prizes without hoovering up smaller prizes too.
 

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I care. The Carabao Cup is the only one I don't care if we go out, but otherwise every cup exit hurts.
 

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TMDaines said:
Posted this in another thread that was seemingly just deleted:

Major finals (CL, EL, FAC, LC) reached since Ole became United manager in December 2018:

Manchester City: 4
Chelsea: 3
Tottenham Hotspur: 2
Arsenal: 2
Liverpool: 1
Aston Villa: 1
Watford: 1

You can give Manchester City and Chelsea another 0.5 each already, and pencil Leicester in too.
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Damning
 

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If the manager doesn't care about cups then neither will the players.

So what did we achieve by resting bruno, shaw, mct, cavani etc for 45 mins ? Might aswell start them, get a lead of 2 goals and take them off if they need to be rested. But were heading into an international break so why rest them ?

The team selection today made sure leicester gained confidence and piled on the pressure, when it should have been the other way around.
 

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This is the most painful cup exit under him. A chance at a semi final vs Southampton at Wembley. But we couldn't even make it, and we could have started a stronger team too despite travelling to Milan.
 

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Sylar said:
This is the most painful cup exit under him. A chance at a semi final vs Southampton at Wembley. But we couldn't even make it, and we could have started a stronger team too despite travelling to Milan.
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Players had to be rested because international games are coming up.
 

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TMDaines said:
Posted this in another thread that was seemingly just deleted:

Major finals (CL, EL, FAC, LC) reached since Ole became United manager in December 2018:

Manchester City: 4
Chelsea: 3
Tottenham Hotspur: 2
Arsenal: 2
Liverpool: 1
Aston Villa: 1
Watford: 1

You can give Manchester City and Chelsea another 0.5 each already, and pencil Leicester in too.
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what's your point? Because unless you're winning these finals than who the hell cares
 

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When the Old Trafford museum opens again fans from all over the world can come and admire our invisible 2nd and 4th position in the league cups on empty shelves.
Trophies, that's what its about. We should be aiming to win every single one of them.
 

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I think everyone at club is patting themselves on back as we’re going to finish top four again and all way too impressed with themselves. Not enough focus and intent on much else other than top four.

Expect lots of moving the goal posts next season when we don’t miraculously improve.
 

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Roboc7 said:
I think everyone at club is patting themselves on back as we’re going to finish top four again and all way too impressed with themselves. Not enough focus and intent on much else other than top four.

Expect lots of moving the goal posts next season when we don’t miraculously improve.
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The task this summer is the exact same as last summer.
If we don't improve the team again, we'll have a similar season again.
 

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I care immensely about us winning everything. To me, our status as the most successful club in Britain means everything. Our 66 major trophies to Liverpool's 62 means that every single possible competition is another means to extend that status. Sir Alex had a voracious appetite to win anything and everything he could. Yes, there are preferences, but when you're that close to a semi-final that appetite for a trophy of any kind should kick in.

We are the biggest and most successful club in Britain and every major cup is an opportunity to cement that in history, because if we don't have that mindset then one day Liverpool will be in 67 and us still on 66.
 

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Hoof The Ball said:
I care immensely about us winning everything. To me, our status as the most successful club in Britain means everything. Our 66 major trophies to Liverpool's 62 means that every single possible competition is another means to extend that status. Sir Alex had a voracious appetite to win anything and everything he could. Yes, there are preferences, but when you're that close to a semi-final that appetite for a trophy of any kind should kick in.

We are the biggest and most successful club in Britain and every major cup is an opportunity to cement that in history, because if we don't have that mindset then one day Liverpool will be in 67 and us still on 66.
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Well said. Never refuse any trophy.
 

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Isotope said:
Our League form since that famous FA Cup 4th Round win against Liverpool:

home vs Sheffield: 1-2 Lose
away vs Arsenal: 0-0 Draw
home vs Southampton: 9-0 Win
home vs Everton: 3-3 Draw.

All within ~3-4 days of each other.

In December and January, we played 18 games. Which turns into one game on every ~3 days: 12 League, 4 domestic Cups, 2 CL.
If we ditched those domestic Cups games, we'd have 14 games; which turns into 1 game / ~4 days. More rest time for our thin squad (in terms of quality players).
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Agree, this season condensed has stretched a squad even without injuries, were out I'm not to disappointed I could see it coming , I think everyone did, even the players, I bet there not to disappointed either.
 

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The Oracle said:
Every competition Utd are in, I want them to win it... so that means I care about all Cups - whether fans consider them Mickey Mouse trophies or not.
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I think we all wanted to win, I did, but I'm not disappointed we didn't, taking in the aspects of how this season has gone, you need a fair bit of luck along with a quality squad to get further in comps, the draw the injured players out etc . Europa league is now the main one.
 

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Hughie77 said:
Agree, this season condensed has stretched a squad even without injuries, were out I'm not to disappointed I could see it coming , I think everyone did, even the players, I bet there not to disappointed either.
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I don't know your purpose on quoting me, you a low count post poster (1400 posts in 4 years). But hopefully you get the full picture. I was hoping we went hard on the League, as at that time i posted, we were 1st on the League.

Now the team just went half baked in every competition we're in, instead of prioritizing.
 

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The FA Cup is more important than the Europa League. I wouldn't have been bothered about losing to Milan, but today's result definitely stings.
 

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don't think of it too much but I obviously dont want us to not win any cups in 3 full seasons.
 

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He do not want to win things enough. I feel as he rather keep his job than win something and get fired.

Thus the board is pleased with top 4 so that is his main priority.

It is the Arsenal mentality and I hate it. I want us to go full force for the cups when we got this far and plays a good team.
 

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We are fecking years off winning the league or CL again so I will take the league Cup, FA Cup and Europa in a heart beat.

We don't even seem capable of winning those though. A lot of players and management not good enough.
 

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We as a club need to come off our high horse for a bit. Barring huge improvements very quickly we are not winning the league or CL anytime soon so a cup every now and again is definitely a sign of progress. Most teams that reach a high peak usually build momentum by winning a cup or two and get that winning mentality then take the step up challenging for the big ones. I’d rather finish 4th and win a cup than a distant second and trophyless.
 

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I would say changing the ownership and structure of the club would be more beneficial than scraping a minor cup here and there. We’re going nowhere at the moment
 
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