Some coaches who have been coaches for top clubs in Europe of England. Not a newbie like Carrick or McKenna.
We are an awfully coached team
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Then, what is the solution
So which ones then
The culture of ‘this year doesn’t matter’ yet we should suddenly be winning the same trophies we struggle in next season doesn’t make sense.
We had a Qtr Final versus an injury riddled Leicester & a potential Semi against a Southampton team we’ve beaten twice already this season; next year we could get Citeh, Pool et al. in an earlier round so play the competition you’re in, not next years prospect.
Good teams make it past today & the Semi as a matter of course, it’s actually unfair to say this side should be winning trophies next season when we they’ve struggled before even making a final.
The way they are?
We made the Semis last year in the FA Cup & got to the quarters this season.
We look likely to get second in the league but the team we just lost to will also be looking at that position; Top4 looks sealed but we could rather easily come 3rd.
You expect the team to compete for trophies next season that they have struggled in this season, that’s the epitome of blind faith lad.
Not sure why this sits here. I agree. I’ve always believed a win is a win. If we were boring & winning fine but we’re bad & inconsistent.
If OgS delivers a title next season with a whole load of 1-0s no one will complain but that isn’t happening.
Moritz Volz would be a good candidate too as he had experience in the PL and now the Bundesliga and also Rene Maric.
Yes the players may not have the ability to thread passes in congested areas but certainly with better coaching they will know when and where to move for sure.
Coaching not a problem?
What games are you watching to come to that conclusion? Literally every single game we play is a struggle and a slog. We play at walking speed, lack movement and our “pressing” is pathetic. Something Ole keeps saying we’re working on - it’s basically just Bruno on his own.
Now the second point, technical ability...
Who picks the team?
Who chooses to play James, Mctominay, Fred and signed a limited fullback in Awb? In CM, why not try Donny there or sometimes drop Bruno a little deeper. Not to mention that World Cup winner with bags of technical ability, Paul Pogba; who now is a left winger. God forbid we’re more open and don’t have a defensive pivot sat in front of the defence.
He quite clearly couldn’t care less about the style of play or how technically gifted a player is and prioritises being solid and hard to beat - the mindset of a mid table team... We could have prime Xavi and Iniesta and he’d still play McfeckingFred.
I have made this point before, our coaching team including the manager are not up to the task of taking this club forward. I am also of the opinion that the appointment of Fletcher will certainly not improve this club's progress.
If we genuinely believe coaching is not a problem then I would like to know what is. I DO NOT believe this team is that much inferior than City and certainly not Liverpool's or Chelsea or Lester. Yet we are the only team who looks clueless out there playing often times 'willy nilly' football without any shape or cohesiveness. That's not counting our inability to make simple passes, do a coordinated press or control the ball in tight spaces. I don't think there is another "big club" out there with players that are so inept at working in tight spaces.
Throwing more money is NOT the solution. And we may not have that much money to throw around anymore anyway. I sincerely believe we may have 50-60M to spend at most this summer. You are not going to replace the CM, RW, DM, CB and Striker with that.
Throwing more money is NOT the solution. And we may not have that much money to throw around anymore anyway. I sincerely believe we may have 50-60M to spend at most this summer. You are not going to replace the CM, RW, DM, CB and Striker with that.
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Ole at Molde?
Your original post which I quoted had no other posters you quoted. So, go ahead and quote those posters who are writing quadruple or winning the PL is only barometer of success.
Guess what? You can’t, because you conjured up a pointless strawman to rant. Oh and it isn’t our first away defeat in 13 months, we’ve lost twice in CL already this season. Plus lost 2 SF last season at neutral venues.
Anyways, I clearly said my biggest issue is the poor quality of football and performances we serve week in week out. There’s little purpose to how we move the ball or build an attack. Trying to use failings at clubs like Liverpool, Spurs and Lampard? is utterly bizarre because they have zero correlation as to what’s going on here. You can play shit on a stick football and still get wins, we shithoused our way to 81pts under Mourinho in the same fashion. But, most Utd fans could see through our issues. We were getting by through individual brilliance and we didn’t necessarily look like a well-oiled machine as one would expect.
As, for pre-season expectations. Vast majority wanted us to build on those good performances post Project restart and continue to play good/exciting football enroute to a higher points total. A domestic silverware was also expected after £300m spent in 5 windows plus a respectable showing in CL. As of now, we are hitting one box i.e. higher points tally but missing the rest.
I don’t mind losing as long as we don’t go out on a whimper serving up putrid shit over the course of 90 mins like we did today and vs RB Leipzig in CL. Losses like Sevilla SF last year don’t hurt as much because we played well in that match and gave our all. But, I guess it’s too much to ask for a Man Utd team these days.
I’m not going to engage with you further because it’s not worth my time with someone who’s arguing in bad faith.
I love how people were happy to throw the term chequebook manager around for Jose but see something entirely different here. As if Ole’s only plan isn’t just “buy better players” under the pretense of cultural rebuild and structural changes.
Can't see us achieving much with Ole in charge. Reminds me of 17/18 where we managed to finish 2nd while playing average football, and many ignored the lack of progress made in our actual football and the genuine progress in that of Klopp's Livepool just because we got the 2nd place finish trophy. Ole's last two seasons are the same. We aren't on the road to challenging at all, but manage to do about enough to keep people satisfied. The quality of football, for me, just isn't there. We are, still, an old school football team that never modernised which a shame over 2 years into our 4th manager post SAF.
We certainly need better players so that sounds like a good plan to me.
We are the only top 8 side that has no clue how to counter press. We usually have Cavarni trying his best only to turn around and watch the other just standing there.
We have become a boring team to watch too. If there isn't many counter attacking chances we tend to stand still and hope for a Bruno wonder ball, very little movement off the ball and we seam to lack players that can run at a man successfully.
I like Ole the man but I'm not sure the football will get better under his Coaching.
We have become a boring team to watch too. If there isn't many counter attacking chances we tend to stand still and hope for a Bruno wonder ball, very little movement off the ball and we seam to lack players that can run at a man successfully.
I like Ole the man but I'm not sure the football will get better under his Coaching.
Disagree wholeheartedly.
This theory of buy better players until you are a great side under the same manager hardly ever works.
The so called better players need structure to perform. And that is the problem, we don't seem to have that structure. You complain about technical ability. Are you telling me Ole does not have any input in the players that arrive?
We signed one of the key players in a side that was known for its technical ability, a side I saw play Madrid off the park. Now, he looks lost. You complain about ability but I saw a coach that left Fred on the pitch for 84 minutes.
This idea of masking Ole's shortcomings by giving him the best side in the world cannot work.
Great managers build great sides. But great managers instil great structures, team ethos which improve naturally as players coming in. But from the minute they arrove, you can see what they're trying to achieve. Are we seeing that here, answer honestly? It seems you're asking me to believe that once a raft of players come in, like a switch, a great side will emerge.
You say I might not like the way the team plays and it's not evidence of bad coaching. Maybe, but it is quite blatant to the naked eye this team consistently struggles to do the basics of what you'd expect from a team aspiring to challenge for trophies. The alarming part is that you cannot honestly say the team is even improving in those aspects. When we have the ball, we look as poor as we did 12, 18, 24 months ago. That's after €300m. There's an argument we've gotten worse.
Since you disagree with me, then tell me. At what point should we start asking questions?
Modernised a buzzword like better and more agile work place.. Ole is doing good, we just need a good attacking coach and some more Ole players, he still use deadwood from others, fred, martial etcetera, but All Are like those Are good enough for Ole..
It is poor coaching
-Defenders trying to play from the back without technical ability to do it
- Midfielders too deep, unable to keep the ball and offer little or no supply to the forwards
-forwards lacking movement inside the box and lacking ability to hold the ball up
It is basics guys... it is coaching, there is no style of play.
-Defenders trying to play from the back without technical ability to do it
- Midfielders too deep, unable to keep the ball and offer little or no supply to the forwards
-forwards lacking movement inside the box and lacking ability to hold the ball up
It is basics guys... it is coaching, there is no style of play.
You saw it yesterday. A manager with a vision and ability to get the players left in the side how to play to win and one who hadn't a clue. Unfortunately he managed the blue team. We are going nowhere fast with Ole. In fact if we finish 2nd in the end he has nowhere to go. He won't make the next step to 1st. He will keep his job though as long as he can get top 4 every season
In another year or two. I agree it shouldn’t go on indefinitely, but I don’t agree that we look poor and haven’t improved. When our best team is fit and in form we look brilliant to me, but we lack depth of quality and leadership in CM and don’t have a reliable CF.
Improving the squad by recruitment is almost always the key to improving results. Contrary to what you say, a policy of not recruiting almost never exists for big clubs and almost never works.
No counter attack no win
It was inevitable that Ole would fall asleep at the wheel as soon as Poch and Tuchel landed new jobs.
He is not fighting for his job any more and can just coast under no pressure.
He is not fighting for his job any more and can just coast under no pressure.
Agree with this. Shaw and AWB are 2 of the best attacking FBs in the world in terms of creating chances, nobody thought Ole could coach that out of them. With all the nonsense of Ole and attacking patterns, nobody thought Ole would have us close to having scored the most goals on the league. Its easy to see improvement because this is basically the same 11 that started the first game of last season when a loy of fans said we needed an overhaul of the squad to even come close. You can actually see where the improvement is coming from on the training pitch.
So basically what you’re saying is, all the good things are Ole’s doing, and all the not so good things aren’t his fault?
Genuinely tell me matches we've looked brilliant this season? Really want an answer. City away comes to mind instantly, but that was very recent so its easy to remember. PSG away. I want whole games that we performed brilliantly.
We've had good halves, spells in games, but not nearly enough whole games where we've been brilliant. The amount of first halves this season that have been a total write off is just something that shouldn't be a thing for a Man Utd team really, or any top side.
Either fill the squad with world-class players or get a new manager. I see no other way.
Liepzeg.
I agree with your general point though
No, what im saying is you can see progression and actual coaching because there was so little change in our first 11 for 2 seasons. Our record against non top 6 sides since Bruno came in is ridiculous, thats another avenue we improved on that fans pretend didnt happen.
For example nobody thought Shaw would be 10x the attacker Reguillon is. It was pandemonium on here when he went to Spurs.
The team needs improvements. I think Ole deserves a crack at actually signing players he wants, and needs, because hes doing a lot better with these players than people give him credit for.
What about last game of last season that probably mattered more. Did that mean Ole was ‘better’ than Rogers then? Did Rogers not know how to set his team up to win that day?
making your point off one game is silly
When Leicester were in freefall?
What do you see in this team that thinks our performances are improving long term and that gives us a chance at a genuine title push?Yeah sure
That’s how we’re second in the league
No counter attack no win is just nonsense don’t change the subject now
For what it’s worth I basically agree with all @cyberman had posted thenn bm last two pages, pointless repeating it, he said it well
Anyone who thinks a poor coach can seat second on the log. Needs their head examined. League tables don't lie.
You want to see us lose?Hopefully Tottenham will catch us then he will be sacked
Your inability to understand it is not my concern. Yes if only every manager has better players and coaches as well, to do what they are unable to.
I've woken up this morning with the same feeling as after the Leipzeg game. Total dejection at the state of our club and team. I really hoped that Ole would come good, but abject preformances like this keep coming up when the pressure is on. Something needs to change. Yesterday was an absolute embarrassment, we can't retain possession, our passing is horrendous, we seen devoid of any ideas. This can't be an individual player problem, so it much be a coaching issue. There are no patterns to our play, we just hope for a run down the left from Rashford or Shaw or a bit of magic from Bruno. Yesterday shows you where we are without them. Ole has done a great job at steading the ship, but the goodwill for being a club legend won't extend much beyond this season
Midfield players at this level who are unable to retain basic possession has to be a coaching issue, there is no set pattern of play or passing in any of our games. There is no movement of the ball to take pressure of the player in possession. Setting players up in a good position is one thing, coaching them to move around and rotate within that structure is good coaching, something we don't have.