Jarrod Bowen under investigation for racist tweet

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Grammar schools were abolished in the 1970s I think, as schools went into the comprehensive style. Apparently some still exist but they must be few and far between.

As a general school rule though, grammar is not taught in the UK.
There's loads in England to this day. 160 +
I went to one for goodness sake, and the school still has the same name and status now :lol:
 

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he was a teenager and his tweet wasn't radiating malice either.
if nothing else has happened since, this is like the teen vogue nonsense.
 

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Still have them in a few places. Since most of us here are United fans, they exist in Trafford where United are based as one example. I went to one, not that it shows.
I thought the fella was doing some sort of gag.
So I'm chuckling at him telling us they haven't existed for 40 years:lol:
 

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Grammar schools were abolished in the 1970s I think, as schools went into the comprehensive style. Apparently some still exist but they must be few and far between.

As a general school rule though, grammar is not taught in the UK.
I'm not 100% sure if you are joking, which makes it a good joke. Kudos.

There's over 200 grammar schools in the UK today and every single school in the UK teaches grammar.
 

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Ah, these times just remind us how right Piers Morgan is on most things - especially the woke/cancel culture.
 

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I'm not 100% sure if you are joking, which makes it a good joke. Kudos.

There's over 200 grammar schools in the UK today and every single school in the UK teaches grammar.
Maybe you are younger than me, but the concept of “grammar schools” was abolished a long long time ago. This doesn’t mean they completely disappeared of course. In fact, there was talk of bringing them back.

I was joking about the name of “grammar school” being related to English grammar being taught as that is, of course, not the case.

However, it is 100% true that UK schools do not generally teach the English grammar in a grammatical way, which, in turn, means that Brits find it so hard to learn second languages.
 

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Maybe you are younger than me, but the concept of “grammar schools” was abolished a long long time ago. This doesn’t mean they completely disappeared of course. In fact, there was talk of bringing them back.
I'm 42, one of my friends of the same age went to a grammar school. He took a test and got in, his parents didn't pay a penny. My nephew went to one, again, he took a test and got in and his parents didn't pay a penny.

A quick Google search told me there are still 229 grammar schools in the UK. There's fewer of them than 100 years ago but they're certainly still incredibly popular.
 

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Grammar schools were abolished in the 1970s I think, as schools went into the comprehensive style. Apparently some still exist but they must be few and far between.

As a general school rule though, grammar is not taught in the UK.
What the good hell are you on about?
 

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I'm 42, one of my friends of the same age went to a grammar school. He took a test and got in, his parents didn't pay a penny. My nephew went to one, again, he took a test and got in and his parents didn't pay a penny.

A quick Google search told me there are still 229 grammar schools in the UK. There's fewer of them than 100 years ago but they're certainly still incredibly popular.
I went to one, took a test and didn’t pay a penny.
 

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I'm 42, one of my friends of the same age went to a grammar school. He took a test and got in, his parents didn't pay a penny. My nephew went to one, again, he took a test and got in and his parents didn't pay a penny.

A quick Google search told me there are still 229 grammar schools in the UK. There's fewer of them than 100 years ago but they're certainly still incredibly popular.
I’ve just done a quick search myself and there are 24,323 schools in the UK in total, which makes the 163 grammar schools a huge minority. Grammar schools were abolished in 1976, with Comprehensive Schools taking their place. Some schools didn’t change their name and some maintained grammar school status (I don’t really understand how that works if they were abolished).
 

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I’ve just done a quick search myself and there are 24,323 schools in the UK in total, which makes the 163 grammar schools a huge minority. Grammar schools were abolished in 1976, with Comprehensive Schools taking their place. Some schools didn’t change their name and some maintained grammar school status (I don’t really understand how that works if they were abolished).
They were not abolished. There are grammar schools that were open and teaching today.
 

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They were not abolished. There are grammar schools that were open and teaching today.
So I see now. Which is odd as I thought they were banned and that Iwas unable to attend a Grammar School as they had been abolished. Maybe that’s just what my mother told me to make me feel better! I also thought Labour banned all selective schools later on.

Seriously though, just put into Google “when were grammar schools abolished”
 

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So I see now. Which is odd as I thought they were banned and that Iwas unable to attend a Grammar School as they had been abolished. Maybe that’s just what my mother told me to make me feel better! I also thought Labour banned all selective schools later on.

Seriously though, just put into Google “when were grammar schools abolished”
This is my local grammar school's website (their admission page). It's pretty clear they've not been abolished! Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
 

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Grammar schools were abolished in the 1970s I think, as schools went into the comprehensive style. Apparently some still exist but they must be few and far between.

As a general school rule though, grammar is not taught in the UK.
Then do you explain how the kids dem learn how make a proper sentence innit fam?
 

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I mean, all of it really.
Opening selective schools is banned, with existing grammar schools encouraged to change to comprehensive (parents vote).

Grammar is not taught in a theoretical way... what are you trying to argue about that? Ask your friends if they know the difference between the future perfect continuous and the future simple, or when to use the subjunctive, or which are the indirect and direct objects of a sentence. Unless they’ve learnt a foreign language, they won’t know.
 

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This is my local grammar school's website (their admission page). It's pretty clear they've not been abolished! Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Yeah I’ve read it more clearly. Opening new grammar schools was abolished and existing grammar schools encouraged to change. Some voted to remain exclusive, but a very small percentage.
 

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Opening selective schools is banned, with existing grammar schools encouraged to change to comprehensive (parents vote).

Grammar is not taught in a theoretical way... what are you trying to argue about that? Ask your friends if they know the difference between the future perfect continuous and the future simple, or when to use the subjunctive, or which are the indirect and direct objects of a sentence. Unless they’ve learnt a foreign language, they won’t know.
They don't need to learn a second language, our ancestors slapped Jonny foreigner around a bit and made sure they all speak the queen's.
Has brexit taught you nothing?
 

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Then do you explain how the kids dem learn how make a proper sentence innit fam?
They doesn’t does they?

Learning a mother tongue is usually done through exposure, rather than theory. I work in the education sector (not in the UK) and some schools thoroughly teach native grammar, others don’t touch it.
 

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Opening selective schools is banned, with existing grammar schools encouraged to change to comprehensive (parents vote).

Grammar is not taught in a theoretical way... what are you trying to argue about that? Ask your friends if they know the difference between the future perfect continuous and the future simple, or when to use the subjunctive, or which are the indirect and direct objects of a sentence. Unless they’ve learnt a foreign language, they won’t know.
Just cos you think you talk better grammar than what others do, don’t mean they don’t get teached it.
 

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I’ve just done a quick search myself and there are 24,323 schools in the UK in total, which makes the 163 grammar schools a huge minority. Grammar schools were abolished in 1976, with Comprehensive Schools taking their place. Some schools didn’t change their name and some maintained grammar school status (I don’t really understand how that works if they were abolished).
Grammar schools were Latin-led schools way back when. In our modern era they were simply schools that had an entrance exam, and still do. They haven’t been abolished.
 

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They doesn’t does they?

Learning a mother tongue is usually done through exposure, rather than theory. I work in the education sector (not in the UK) and some schools thoroughly teach native grammar, others don’t touch it.
I grew up in the 80s, thatcher and co had a real go at killing secondary education.
I honestly think primary education was more comprehensive.

In secondary we were being handed text books from the early 70s filled with outdated scientific theories and left to it. The school was underfunded, the teachers were overstretched, underpaid and generally didn't give a shit.

The Catholic school over the road however, were richly funded, they had drinks machines, table tennis, pool tables the lot. We finished 15 minutes earlier than them and the staff would come out and film us as we wandered down to the bus stop, just in case we caused any trouble. Wankers.

We had a chess board with half the pieces missing :lol:
 

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Drawing attention to racist acts doesn't help the situation. Most people aren't racist and the ones that are don't matter, they are ignorant imbeciles. They don't don't deserve attention so don't give them any.

I also believe the people that go around pointing out racism everywhere are insecure about their own outlooks and overcompensate by being a social justice warrior.
 

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This isn't targeted abuse, therefore it really needs to be made a non-issue.

Turning something like this into anything does a good job contributing to drowning the real issue (the immense amounts of targeted abuse).

Might be unorthodox, but I don't think the concept of elevating the n word onto some weird sacrilegious pedestal has helped combat racism at all.
 

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So the N word was socially acceptable in 2012?
Certainly more so than now, especially in the context said in that tweet amongst 15 year olds. To punish someone for a harmless tweet a decade ago is absolutely ridiculous. Do intent and context mean absolutely nothing anymore?
 

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Might be unorthodox, but I don't think the concept of elevating the n word onto some weird sacrilegious pedestal has helped combat racism at all.
Globally no. But I’m sure it’s helped many where it needed to.

The weird SoCal trend of saying ‘N-Word’ instead of just talking like an adult really feels like a backwards step though. I wrote N****r on this site and got admonished for it. Despite it being 100% innocent and absent of any malice.

I’m happy to live within rules that others impose, and adjust my behaviour of course. But the way a single word is censored, doesn’t really help in any meaningful way.
 

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They doesn’t does they?

Learning a mother tongue is usually done through exposure, rather than theory. I work in the education sector (not in the UK) and some schools thoroughly teach native grammar, others don’t touch it.
I just don't understand why you have a discussion about grammar schools. Many of these schools might require applicants to take an admission test, but that is all. The grammar schools are not specialized to teach English grammar. So it is a weird discussion.

Anyway, you always learn something new. If you would like to know whether they teach English in the UK, just check the national curriculum in England. They have more than sixty pages about statutory requirements in relation of teaching English.
 

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What sort of person is going through 10 years worth of twitter feeds of fairly unknown footballers like this?

Words would struggle to properly describe how sad and pathetic they must be.
 

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Certainly more so than now, especially in the context said in that tweet amongst 15 year olds. To punish someone for a harmless tweet a decade ago is absolutely ridiculous. Do intent and context mean absolutely nothing anymore?
I disagree with that entirely, we’re talking 9 years ago, not the 60s, I can guarantee you that if Bowen had any sort of status back then, he would have been pulled up for it.
And I don’t really see anyone arguing that he should be banned, or even punished, so I’m not sure why you’re arguing about context or intent.
 

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surely one of the first jobs of any football agent nowadays is to scroll back through old tweets and delete the bad stuff?
 

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I disagree with that entirely, we’re talking 9 years ago, not the 60s, I can guarantee you that if Bowen had any sort of status back then, he would have been pulled up for it.
And I don’t really see anyone arguing that he should be banned, or even punished, so I’m not sure why you’re arguing about context or intent.
I promise you that a 15 year old would not have been pulled up for saying that 9 years ago. 15 year olds did not have status then, and they shouldn’t now.
 

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They really should get in their time machine and give 13 year old Bowen a stern talking to!!!

There should be a social media shit storm against the rag that published this garbage.
 

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Says the cultural norms at that time? Continue to brush the past with today’s norms though as that’s definitely better for society...
2012 is the very recent past, and white dudes dropping N-bombs was just as unacceptable then as it is now.