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I would like Haaland but if we could get both Grealish and Sancho for that amount, I would do that deal with Rashford converting to a proper No. 9. The bottom line is if we create more, Rashford will score those chances. I mean how the hell does Sterling so many goals? It's because City create a tonne of chances. Grealish, Bruno and Sancho would create a tonne of chances for us. For this transfer window, Grealish, Bruno, and a CB would improve our squad tremendously.
 

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I would like Haaland but if we could get both Grealish and Sancho for that amount, I would do that deal with Rashford converting to a proper No. 9. The bottom line is if we create more, Rashford will score those chances. I mean how the hell does Sterling so many goals? It's because City create a tonne of chances. Grealish, Bruno and Sancho would create a tonne of chances for us. For this transfer window, Grealish, Bruno, and a CB would improve our squad tremendously.
I’d take Grealish and Sancho together over Haaland too. Those two plus Rashford would be a potent front three and address out main issues in one swoop. You’d have Martial, Greenwood and Diallo to rotate in. Options. That said, failing those two together, it’d be Haaland or bust.
 

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To me it just feels like there's a lot of insecure people on here.
In this day and age with so many clubs who can offer premium salary, there's very few players who will proclaim undying love to a club anymore.

How many "normal" people stay working at the same company for more than 5 years these days?

An agent will create ruckus cause that's his job. And as a club you'd be encouraged to keep him/the player happy to limit PR drama. But you also won't give them everything they ask for. So you accept some BS articles, cause the only ones who read them all are the super hardcore fans.

The club has handled Raiola decently, Ole has handled him expertedly. Raiola would love to bring any of his clients here. Cause he and them gets paid real well.
Exactly. Do clubs give a second thought when they want to dispose of a player? How many clubs look after the player to set their future up after the game?

Like Barnett said in his The Athletic interview, when Jose was battering Shaw, it was they who helped him alongside his family. Barnett & his team got Shaw to view his game & point out the good & bad stuff, things which go unseen by the public.

As someone mentioned before, if they're so bad, why do players have agents?
 

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Yeah I don't know why United fans don't adore him.
Fans are just as fickle as the club owners, never forget that. Fans of a sad club will buy the merchandise etc of the player whilst at the club, however, very rarely once they've gone. So once a player has left the club, so do us fans putting money in their pockets and giving them a livelihood.

It's their agents who look after them their whole careers, and sometimes beyond. As I mentioned previously, there's a reason why these high profile players go to these big agents/agencies. Fans shouldn't get swirled up in all the media hype. Raiola has a way of expressing himself, which is should be more politely in the media, however, when you look at it objectively, there's nothing he has said that the fans themselves haven't said!
 

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I think he's class, but I don't think he's worth the fee that would be demanded. Teams win championships, not individual players, and as of right now, Mbappe may be the only 100m plus player that has actually been worth the transfer. Even Neymar, who is a top3 player in the world, isn't worth the move based on output.

I'm also weary because of the bundesliga and the famous high lines teams play there. He may be looking better than he actually is, in the same way that Pogba did in Serie A. For the money and how many players we could spend on, his asking price will be too steep.
Yeah let’s focus on the high lines of Bundesliga and not the fact that he’s shattering scoring records in the CL.

Your concern is more valid for Sancho who looks good in the Bundesliga but has a poor CL record.

Haaland’s combination of pace, strength, movement and finishing is quite unique. You very rarely find so many top attributes in one player. On top of that his mentality is something else. The kid is a maniac. He plays the CL anthem every morning as motivation. He sleeps with his hat-trick balls. He lives and breathes for the big occasions.

Wherever he goes he will be a strong contender for the golden boot both domestically and in the CL every year for the next decade.
 

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Fans are just as fickle as the club owners, never forget that. Fans of a sad club will buy the merchandise etc of the player whilst at the club, however, very rarely once they've gone. So once a player has left the club, so do us fans putting money in their pockets and giving them a livelihood.

It's their agents who look after them their whole careers, and sometimes beyond. As I mentioned previously, there's a reason why these high profile players go to these big agents/agencies. Fans shouldn't get swirled up in all the media hype. Raiola has a way of expressing himself, which is should be more politely in the media, however, when you look at it objectively, there's nothing he has said that the fans themselves haven't said!
Everyone is fickle, including players and their agents. I don't disagree that agents exist because there is a need for agents to exist. However, at the same time, there's no reason for fans to be hooked to players once they've left their clubs (although we see it with some players on redcafe). The fans should support the football club and hence as a by product their support extends to anyone representing their club. As for what Raiola said, he's said enough rubbish to earn the disdain of United fans. That he has a 'way' of expressing himself is his own fault. And looking at it objectively, if the standard we're holding someone who is in the public eye to, is 'what fans themselves say' you know the individual concern is a grade A prick. I mean, Sir Alex disliked him, and he keeps coming out with little digs towards the football club, so it's only his actions that have created dislike towards him in the eyes of fans.
 

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Everyone is fickle, including players and their agents. I don't disagree that agents exist because there is a need for agents to exist. However, at the same time, there's no reason for fans to be hooked to players once they've left their clubs (although we see it with some players on redcafe). The fans should support the football club and hence as a by product their support extends to anyone representing their club. As for what Raiola said, he's said enough rubbish to earn the disdain of United fans. That he has a 'way' of expressing himself is his own fault. And looking at it objectively, if the standard we're holding someone who is in the public eye to, is 'what fans themselves say' you know the individual concern is a grade A prick. I mean, Sir Alex disliked him, and he keeps coming out with little digs towards the football club, so it's only his actions that have created dislike towards him in the eyes of fans.
Look at the way the fans have had a go at Pogba, so why can't Raiola have a pop at the club? Look at the way we have been managed. I'm pretty sure a dream was sold to Pogba and look at what he's gotten back? We all abuse the owners for the very same things.

Of course he's going to react to Fergie. Look at what he said about him. Heck, his ex-players such as Keane have had a pop at Fergie for the way they were treated.

Of course fans have a right to dislike him, however, they need to understand that it's part of the business. Clubs get away with a far lot more than do these agents. All the agent is doing is protecting their players livelihood, something which the club will choose to do, if they are earning them a pretty penny.
 

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I don't hate the guy but he's clearly a massive toolbox
Yeah, I totally get that too. I'd prefer if he wouldn't speak as much as he does, however, I can see why he does things the way he does.

But he does do a lot of our (fans) work for us.
 

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Apparently Haaland is looking for 600k per week. Jog on if that’s the case. Pay Sancho and Grealish 250k each and we’re good to go.
 

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Yeah, I think we're lacking creativity over goal scoring. The problem is, we're just not creating enough against the low block teams to score.
think this is a misconception, we create alot of chances per se, but maybe not the kind of chances a proper no9 would benefit from
 

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For all of the people abord the Håland hypetrain: do his sub-standard performances during the international break give you pause?
 

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think this is a misconception, we create alot of chances per se, but maybe not the kind of chances a proper no9 would benefit from
I just look back at games like Sheffield United at home, WBA away, Palace away, I just don't think we created enough chances to win a game. Yes we created the odd chance where I striker misses, whereby no striker has a 100% conversion rate, I just haven't seen us create so many chances to think we needed a striker to finish them off.

Having said that, I do believe we need a striker like Haaland to hold up the play and run in behind more. Someone who can utilise the crossing skills of Shaw. A player who camps out in the box. Our strikers far too often drop deep and not in the box to finish off any rebounds.
 

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A clinical striker is essential in a team that isn't creating much - us for example. If we are carving out few chances it's important we don't fluff those that we manage to create.
 
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I think he's class, but I don't think he's worth the fee that would be demanded. Teams win championships, not individual players.

I'm also weary because of the bundesliga and the famous high lines teams play there. He may be looking better than he actually is.
If it was just down to poor Bundesliga defensive tactics, he'd get found out in the CL.

Yet, he's top scorer... by a margin ... over Lewandowski, Messi, Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc.

That suggests someone who can do it in the harder (CL) games as well as the Bundesliga? And given the quality of the teams the others play in, that's something?

But agree that some PL clubs take a defensive line to the extremes which restricts space. He does score other types of goals though.

Would he get 40 here, doubt it. But 25+ and a good haul in CL games would be worth a lot. As would his mentality of not being phased by the occasion.
 

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He's playing for Norway babe.
Yet he scored 6 goals in 7 games for Norway before this latest round of fixtures - not unlike his club records. I thought his finishing against Montenegro (where Ødegaard and others did give him supply) was shockingly poor.
 

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For all of the people abord the Håland hypetrain: do his sub-standard performances during the international break give you pause?
He's very clinical and his movement around the box is fantastic, but that's pretty much all of his game. He contributes very little outside of this but he isn't the finished article and could change with more experience.
 

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For all of the people abord the Håland hypetrain: do his sub-standard performances during the international break give you pause?
If a few bad sub-standard games in an international break is enough to give you pause then you should have pause about pretty much every international player who has ever played football.
 

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Look at the way the fans have had a go at Pogba, so why can't Raiola have a pop at the club? Look at the way we have been managed. I'm pretty sure a dream was sold to Pogba and look at what he's gotten back? We all abuse the owners for the very same things.

Of course he's going to react to Fergie. Look at what he said about him. Heck, his ex-players such as Keane have had a pop at Fergie for the way they were treated.
Pretty sure there's a difference between the behaviour expected from fans and someone in the public limelight. Imagine If David Moyes was to react to fans when he was under pressure. It would be laughable.

On SAF vs Riaola, were talking about the greatest manager in football history and a cnutish agent. Really torn over who to back on that one. :houllier:
 

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If the reported demand of £600k per week wages is genuine, that is absolutely insane. Bringing in three or four players for the same combined total wages would make a far bigger difference to improving the team.
 

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Halaand will go where Halaand wants to go, not where Raiola dictates. Raiolas job is to get the best possible wages for his client (and commission for himself).

Surely if he wants to go to City, and Raiola says no, he's just going to fire him. Same with the Pogba fiasco, Raiola just talks what his clients want him to talk.

He's a supreme talent and we should go all out to try and get him. If he chooses other clubs, then fair play. Even if he ends up with us, I can't see him staying for more than a couple of years.
 

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When Real signed Ronaldo we thought £80m was crazy, yet they spent it and then had a superstar legend winning them multiple Champions Leagues.

Whoever pays the high price Haaland will cost will deserve to have the next global superstar on their books

It likely won't be us.
 

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That’s nonsense. So you’re saying if Harland moved he’d get 50k a week less simply because he didnt have an Agent? Utter bullshit. They’re leeches of no value whatsoever.
They clearly do add a value otherwise top players wouldn't use then and the top ones wouldn't have so many clients / earn millions.
 

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I'd imagine the £600k a week was just the number he quoted Chelsea. He'd likely be more reasonable towards a club he actually wants to play for.
 

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Yet he scored 6 goals in 7 games for Norway before this latest round of fixtures - not unlike his club records. I thought his finishing against Montenegro (where Ødegaard and others did give him supply) was shockingly poor.
Hi Roman, thanks but we aren't the ones you need to try and put off.
 

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Some talk that the €75m release clause can be triggered already in 2021.
Really can't see him being that cheap this summer. Dortmund can be very stubborn. They are more likely to sell Sancho than Haaland.
 

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Pointless to discuss IMO. He's going to be able to pick from any top club in europe and there's no chance that would be us. Not to mention that as a club we don't exactly have the best relations with Raiola.. Of course everyone would love him here though, he's a generational talent, no doubt about that. My prediction where he ends up would be Madrid, City, Liverpool? Lewandowski don't have many years left in him either so maybe Bayern is a fair shout as well. I think his own preference is England though.
If it's this summer I can't see him going to any of those clubs because they don't have the kind of money Dortmund want to waste on one player. I think Haaland will wait till summer 2022 to get his move to either Madrid in Spain or City in England
 
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