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Well it’s not the decision he came to he thought there was some intent there, we all know if a hand goes to a face nowadays it’s an automatic red.
And the decision was deemed to be such a monumental feckup by Dean that they had to rescind the red card....
 

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Awful, even some of the comments about refs on this forum are pushing it a bit.
 

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And the decision was deemed to be such a monumental feckup by Dean that they had to rescind the red card....
Well I can’t argue with that it was rescinded, but I still think at the time and the situation he was in it wasn’t exactly easy.
 

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I reckon he will take Peter Walton's job on bt Sport when he retires

Also death threats over decisions are wrong as is racial abuse or any abuse. There needs to be consequences but social media let's people hide behind anonymity, sometimes with no way to track all of the people (still believe that an account should need an ID to be created, like passport as you do with betting sites which is private, and then if there's an issue this can be requested by police)
 

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Well I can’t argue with that it was rescinded, but I still think at the time and the situation he was in it wasn’t exactly easy.
You keep repeating that it wasn't exactly easy, without coming close to explaining why.

There's nothing within the rules that forces him to make the decision he did, all Mike Dean had to do was correctly interpret the situation, but he failed to do so. Was there any sign of intent or malice..He's an experienced referee, you expect some common sense from him.

The Southampton penalty and sending off was more difficult, and that's where the rules really put him in a difficult position.
 

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You keep repeating that it wasn't exactly easy, without coming close to explaining why.

There's nothing within the rules that forces him to make the decision he did, all Mike Dean had to do was correctly interpret the situation, but he failed to do so. Was there any sign of intent or malice..He's an experienced referee, you expect some common sense from him.

The Southampton penalty and sending off was more difficult, and that's where the rules really put him in a difficult position.
Maybe it’s just the added pressure of being called to the screen by his peers and with all the furore we have over VAR everyweek thats making refs second guess themselves which in turn making their decisions evens less consistent
 

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You keep repeating that it wasn't exactly easy, without coming close to explaining why.

There's nothing within the rules that forces him to make the decision he did, all Mike Dean had to do was correctly interpret the situation, but he failed to do so. Was there any sign of intent or malice..He's an experienced referee, you expect some common sense from him.

The Southampton penalty and sending off was more difficult, and that's where the rules really put him in a difficult position.
Well that’s no true because I did, Var asking him to check it, Mitrovic play acting and Soucek putting an elbow to his face. He saw it as intent at the time, it turned out the board didn’t simple as that.
 

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I think he’s a decent ref and had a very good game in our match versus Southampton. The consensus at the time was that the penalty/red card decision was right accordingly to the letter of the law. I’m more bemused as to how the appeal panel came to the conclusion that one should be rescinded but not the Luiz one.

As for the WH one, the VAR clearly thought, with the benefit of numerous replays, that Dean had made such a bad error in not sending Soucek off that he was instructed to review it. I agree that sending him off was wrong but I’ve seen much worse decisions.
 

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I also cynically think this is a shameless tactic to avoid looking like he’s been relegated to Football League duty.
 

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He had originally made the right decisions in both those games , VAR asks him to go over to the screen which usually means change your mind . I feel a bit sorry for him it’s VAR that’s forcing him to look at the screen in both instances
 
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He's not a good official, but shame on those individuals who retort to this kind of behavior.
 
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He had originally made the right decisions in both those games , VAR asks him to go over to the screen which usually means check your mind . I feel a bit sorry for him it’s VAR that’s forcing him to look at the screen in both instances
it’s a factor. You are being told that your decision might be wrong - but if your decision was right, then you wouldn’t be asked to review.

the onfield ref gets out under unnecessary pressure.
 

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So he shouldn’t have retorted?
Sorry, may be one of the headlines I have missed.

we all know he's a poor ref. we all know he has had red cards rescinded. He's deserving every criticism he's getting due to his performance and idiocy or inclination to be in spotlight.
but death threats? ( if they are real though )


Edit: Pexbo, great talking to you ..
 

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Completely blocked off Fred from getting to the ball in the build up to Brighton’s goal. He’s useless.
 

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Yeah would love to see a replay of it
 

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Bruno and Rashford have both been clattered and nothing given for either now. Maupay got a foul straightaway.

Smaller teams always get more leeway.
 

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Disgrace tonight, amount of yellows they got away with. Disappointed to have to blow up at the end, all about him. Another year of that shine o ball, great league terrible referee's.
 

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10 seconds left, he stops the game for 1 minute while giving 2 players a lecture.
What was the point?
 

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Quiet game tonight.
Quality block on Fred in the leadup to their winner.

Ignored a good few time wasting boots away from Brighton first half, but instantly gave a yellow to Greenwood for doing the same thing late on.

Kicking the ball away is such an irritatingly inconsistent call. Teams repeatedly get away with it early on, and what gets you a yellow will be next to nothing late on.
If you're winning.
It's the only decision in football that is factored against what the current scoreline is.
 

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Like Southampton did
Getting more leeway isn't getting away with blatant red cards. It's one team getting away with something the other team doesn't.

I don't think that happened in our game v Saints?
 

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Just sack him already, you'll get rif of 20% of the issues in the league
 

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Did the player who took out Bruno get booked?
 

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Quiet game tonight.
Quality block on Fred in the leadup to their winner.

Ignored a good few time wasting boots away from Brighton first half, but instantly gave a yellow to Greenwood for doing the same thing late on.

Kicking the ball away is such an irritatingly inconsistent call. Teams repeatedly get away with it early on, and what gets you a yellow will be next to nothing late on.
If you're winning.
It's the only decision in football that is factored against what the current scoreline is.
That annoyed me too. They did it three times in the first half, in much more blatant fashion as well. It looked like we made Dean know about it too, but he wasn't interested. Then we get booked for it instantly.


He was awful for their goal too. That's Fred's ball all day and he blocks him off. I know refs will pull it back if they block the ball but is there the same rule for when they block a player? I assume not. There should be.

Still not sure about the pen though. Didn't look it in real time, but the replay made it look worse and I thought VAR was gonna give it. Putting a hand on the shoulder is always dangerous.
 

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That annoyed me too. They did it three times in the first half, in much more blatant fashion as well. It looked like we made Dean know about it too, but he wasn't interested. Then we get booked for it instantly.


He was awful for their goal too. That's Fred's ball all day and he blocks him off. I know refs will pull it back if they block the ball but is there the same rule for when they block a player? I assume not. There should be.

Still not sure about the pen though. Didn't look it in real time, but the replay made it look worse and I thought VAR was gonna give it. Putting a hand on the shoulder is always dangerous.
I was relaxed on the "pen" as contact doesn't equal pen. And it wasn't any sort of pull back.
Was glad to get away with it though as presumably if the var ref did say pen it'd have to be a red too.
And we probably wouldn't have come back from that.
 

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That’s mental. He actually starts to move and then stops and keeps himself between the ball and Fred.
Not only does he stop Fred from receiving the pass, he stops him from challenging/blocking the pass of the Brighton player, and seems entirely oblivious to it all. There's absolutely no reason for him to be so close to the play.