The treatment on here of Marcus Rashford

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I don’t know if he will ever be the best player in the league, but he is definitely part of our future, whatever that might be. He, along with Bruno and pogba, are the only players in the squad with the x-factor, the ability to make something out of nothing. He is like Nani, in the sense that he will always frustrate you, but I have learnt to accept that that’s what Marcus is.

I feel that what our attack needs are guys who are in their prime, because we have enough youngsters already. That doesn’t mean that I am not open to sancho, but if say a player like Kane becomes available, we should do whatever it takes to get him, rather than sancho. If SAF was still our gaffer, he would have done it, since he was always after the premier strikers in this league, and Kane is the best.
 

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This is a weird thread. So I'm supposed to get on my knees for a player even if they largely had a bad performance in a game just because he represents the club well? The OP reads like a top red that just supports everyone at the club no matter what. I very much appreciate Rashford and the player he has grown into, but his overall performances this year have left much to be desired (along with the rest of our attack to be fair). Yes he has hit the 20G mark again, but I don't see anything wrong with people calling him out in his thread for some absolutely unacceptable performances he's had. And he has been injured for much of this year (and last), so of course we can only speculate exactly how much it's hindering him.

But I'm also not going to just give him a pass every match because he's a great guy, the same way I wasn't giving Bruno a pass when he had shite games just because "he's already done so much for us". We evaluate each performance as it comes, and the issue arises when people allow past performances to dictate their opinions on present day players, whether good or bad. Just like many are disgusted by the thought of someone saying Bruno had a shite game, the same are hesitant to compliment a great performance from someone like Bailly/Fred just because they don't believe in the player based on some bad performances from the past.

We are all emotionally attached to this club, but people need to do their best to look at players and matches from a detached point of view. It will probably not only be good for their health, but help them have a more balanced view on our club as a whole.
 

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He scores or gets an assist in pretty much every game despite very clearly playing through injury for extended periods of time. We can't afford to give him any sort of break because even playing through injury he's the best option we have and still manages to produce something most of the time. I really can't see how anyone could say anything bad about him. That's not me being rose tinted or anything, I understand that's he's frustrating at times and does have large periods of games where he looks off the pace. But he's also been playing 2 games every week for about a year now. We would be absolutely screwed without him.

Imagine how good he could be if Ole had anyone else in the squad he trusted enough to allow Rashford to have a break here or there.
 

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He is like Nani, in the sense that he will always frustrate you, but I have learnt to accept that that’s what Marcus is.
Yeah, this. He is very reminiscent of Nani, and probably about as talented. Very similar in terms of causing incredible levels of frustration but also reaching really good goal and assist numbers over a season.
 

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This is a weird thread. So I'm supposed to get on my knees for a player even if they largely had a bad performance in a game just because he represents the club well? The OP reads like a top red that just supports everyone at the club no matter what. I very much appreciate Rashford and the player he has grown into, but his overall performances this year have left much to be desired (along with the rest of our attack to be fair). Yes he has hit the 20G mark again, but I don't see anything wrong with people calling him out in his thread for some absolutely unacceptable performances he's had. And he has been injured for much of this year (and last), so of course we can only speculate exactly how much it's hindering him.

But I'm also not going to just give him a pass every match because he's a great guy, the same way I wasn't giving Bruno a pass when he had shite games just because "he's already done so much for us". We evaluate each performance as it comes, and the issue arises when people allow past performances to dictate their opinions on present day players, whether good or bad. Just like many are disgusted by the thought of someone saying Bruno had a shite game, the same are hesitant to compliment a great performance from someone like Bailly/Fred just because they don't believe in the player based on some bad performances from the past.

We are all emotionally attached to this club, but people need to do their best to look at players and matches from a detached point of view. It will probably not only be good for their health, but help them have a more balanced view on our club as a whole.
Ultimately you think that your view on the players and his performances is more important than Rashford consistently putting the ball in the back of the net.

Fair enough.

Your view on a performance of one of our most consistent performers means absolutely crap all just like mine doesn't mean anything to you.

The difference is that Rashford scores and I get on my knees for what he brings to this club whilst you turn your back and tell him he should be doing better. That at the age of 23 he should be playing like Messi with dribbling skills, shooting skills and even perfect passing skills against low block teams.

I guess that's what makes me a 'top red' because I can differentiate the need to cut and examine a player that has been consistent for us and scores us match winning goal after match winning goal - whilst you just do it anyway because you feel that you deserve perfection.
 

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Playing thru his injury is a different issue. Yes if he is injured he should not be playing. It was a very good goal but he is poor otherwise. Time and again he tries to take on three or four players and lose possession. It simply is not good enough. Just because others are worse doesn't mean he is good.
Yes, and one out of those 5-7 times when he gets past his man he creates a big chance. That's football for you. Not everything comes off, but you need to make the most of it when it does.

His taking on of 3-4 players is often because there is no obvious way to break through in a low lying block. Would you rather your player tries something extravagant or just recycle the ball to a player in a worse position (who anyway may get the ball 50% of the times when Rashford gets tackled)?

We want our players to be creative and forward thinking, and then slate them for it not coming off.

This season if there is a player who has carried our attack, it's Rashford. He has been the difference maker and even Bruno looks somewhat lost when Rashford is not on the pitch.

Rashford has so many threats now: can shoot from range; can dribble past you, can run behind you, can cross the ball viciously, can create space with trickery to do any of the above. He must be a nightmare for opposition defences.

Yes he can be frustrating at times when he makes the wrong decision, but tell me one player (Ronaldo and Messi included) who don't make wrong choices? Rashford's challenge is improve decision making and his output is clearly showing that he is doing that.

You don't get 32 goal contributions without making good choices.
 

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That first touch for his goal was just sublime. Great composure to get the shot on target too.

I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out the areas he needs to improve at as long as one remains balanced. He does attempt too many overly ambitious dribbles which don't correlate with his dribbling ability. Just as Bruno sometimes needs to reign in his silly passes, we need to refine these aspects if we're going to become a truly top side. Of course we need to appreciate these players for being the best in the squad, but I don't agree with the "oh but he's a risk taker attitude". Whether you're a squad player or a star player, the expectation to be the best you can , should remain. There's a balance between running into traffic too much and playing safe sidewards passes too much , which is what good decision making is all about, knowing what to do when.
 

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He's not been fit for months and playing within himself because the team has feck all other options. Respect the lad for playing through the pain barrier.
But we do have options ie Martial as LW, Cavani and Greenwood up front, Lingard who was sent on loan and the kids. If they aren't good enough then clear out and bring new players in. It would be better for us and it would be better for Rashy who deserves the time to rest and recover.
 

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Who the feck cares how poor his general play is if he deliver goals on a consistent basis.

We need him to play every game to finish the season strongly, what ever injury trouble he has going on can be looked at when the season ends.
 

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Really good striker scores a goal. I for one am shocked
Must make any other criticism moot!
His comment would have had more weight behind it if there wasn’t two occasions where Bruno was pointing at space telling him to move and he was just standing there doing nothing and later Lindelof telling him to move when once again he was just standing there doing nothing.

It was a great run for the goal seemed a carbon copy of the goal I think that was against Chelsea.
 

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Wish our other attackers step up, barely games left this season. If they can regain some of the last season's form then we should end the season well.
 

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We have many overrated players who are sucking money out of the club and are living up on pure reputation or hype. Rashford is not one of them
 

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Fantastic goal, also had a few other good moments but also played some awful passes and tried to take on 3 players at once in situations where it did not make any sense.

And to anybody saying „he would not make it into the starting 11 of any top club“:
This is insane. Each club would want him if there is a chance to get him and he would flourish even more at City, Bayern, Madrid etc.
 

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This is a weird thread. So I'm supposed to get on my knees for a player even if they largely had a bad performance in a game just because he represents the club well? The OP reads like a top red that just supports everyone at the club no matter what. I very much appreciate Rashford and the player he has grown into, but his overall performances this year have left much to be desired (along with the rest of our attack to be fair). Yes he has hit the 20G mark again, but I don't see anything wrong with people calling him out in his thread for some absolutely unacceptable performances he's had. And he has been injured for much of this year (and last), so of course we can only speculate exactly how much it's hindering him.

But I'm also not going to just give him a pass every match because he's a great guy, the same way I wasn't giving Bruno a pass when he had shite games just because "he's already done so much for us". We evaluate each performance as it comes, and the issue arises when people allow past performances to dictate their opinions on present day players, whether good or bad. Just like many are disgusted by the thought of someone saying Bruno had a shite game, the same are hesitant to compliment a great performance from someone like Bailly/Fred just because they don't believe in the player based on some bad performances from the past.

We are all emotionally attached to this club, but people need to do their best to look at players and matches from a detached point of view. It will probably not only be good for their health, but help them have a more balanced view on our club as a whole.
Im pretty sure the OP is talking about the people that are just moaning constantly. Ie he loses the ball and ten people comment saying he should be sold.

There’s no issue with commenting on improvement that needs to be made, I’m sure Rashford is the first one to admit that. it’s when people say things like he can’t pass, despite having so many examples this season that say other wise.
 

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Here's an exhaustive list of players who have scored and assisted more goals over the last two seasons in the top 5 leagues, the associated domestic cups and European competitions:
  • Lewandowski - 114
  • Messi - 100
  • Mbappé - 87
  • Ronaldo - 79
  • Lukaku - 73
  • Immobile - 71
  • Müller - 71
  • Haaland* - 70
  • Kane - 69
  • Werner - 68
  • Sancho - 68
  • Benzema - 68
  • Salah - 66
  • Sterling - 65
  • Bruno* - 65
  • Rashford - 65
* Domestic goals scored in Austria and Portugal are not included

That's the company Rashford is looking to keep up with and doing so admirably. Above him you have the two greatest players ever, the current de facto best player in the world, the consensus two future heirs to the world game, and then a pretty tight pack of players.

He's basically been as a good as anyone else, and realistically could have been as high as fifth in the world, competing with Cristiano, if he hadn't done the right thing and handed over penalty and free kick taking duties to Bruno in good faith.

Good luck to anyone who thinks Marcus Rashford is the area to improve at Old Trafford. People need to go and look at the output of many of our forwards during our golden years, or even many of the so-called greats during the 90s and early 2000s. He's going head-to-head with Rooney at this age. In the seasons they turned 22 and 23, Rooney scored or assisted 70 goals. Rashford currently has 65 (with a maximum of 13 games to go), despite the fact that everyone seems to believe he has been injured for over a year, been "shit" individually and playing for what many regard as a "crap" team.

Rashford is the one of most valuable players in the world for good reason. The only players younger than him on this list are Haaland, Mbappe and Sancho. Here's arguably the third or fourth best and most productive attacking player in the world in his age bracket or younger. If he was at any other club, we would be creaming ourselves at the thought of signing him.

I still remember the day I read a post on here lamenting that we didn't send him out on loan and get Haller in for him...

Edit - Accidentally had Bruno and Fernandes, when one was supposed to be Rashford!
I added penalty goals and mins also. Not bad at all.

He has more Goals + assists (non penalty ones) than Salah, Lukaku and just one behind Kane.

MinsG+APenaltiesNon Pen Goals + AssistsMins per G+Amins per NPG+A
Lewandowski
7162​
114​
15​
99​
62.82​
72.34​
Messi
7192​
100​
14​
86​
71.92​
83.63​
Mbappé
5653​
87​
8​
79​
64.98​
71.56​
Müller
6622​
71​
3​
68​
93.27​
97.38​
Haaland
4483​
70​
4​
66​
64.04​
67.92​
Sancho
5777​
68​
3​
65​
84.96​
88.88​
Sterling
6973​
65​
0​
65​
107.28​
107.28​
Benzema
6897​
68​
5​
63​
101.43​
109.48​
Werner
6590​
68​
8​
60​
96.91​
109.83​
Kane
6302​
69​
11​
58​
91.33​
108.66​
Rashford
6935​
65​
8​
57​
106.69​
121.67​
Ronaldo
7132​
79​
22​
57​
90.28​
125.12​
Lukaku
7091​
73​
17​
56​
97.14​
126.63​
Salah
7503​
66​
10​
56​
113.68​
133.98​
Immobile
6183​
71​
22​
49​
87.08​
126.18​
Bruno
5952​
65​
21​
44​
91.57​
135.27​

Hopefully I have added penalties correctly and didn't include the ones they scored for National teams.
 

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He still a bit too inconsistent but he's carried our front 3 this season when the others simply haven't been good enough. We'd be in a much worse place without him.
 

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My main frustration with Rashford is that he regularly tries to dribble it past about five players in the box and loses possession, when there are sometimes better options around him - I think he can refine this part of his game, we just haven’t really seen it happen this season and it’s been frustrating.

Let’s be real though, Rashford is still one of the most talented players around, and is still developing. He works his arse off most games and is still putting up strong numbers.

To cap it off he’s a local lad, loves United and seems like a great bloke. I’m glad he plays for us.
 

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He's not been fit for months and playing within himself because the team has feck all other options. Respect the lad for playing through the pain barrier.
I have alot of time for Marcus and the fact he has played through injury and broke the 20 goal barrier this season is a testament to his character. I hope Ole gives him some time off after the Euros to rest as a fully fit Rashford would be dangerous :devil:
 

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My main frustration with Rashford is that he regularly tries to dribble it past about five players in the box and loses possession, when there are sometimes better options around him - I think he can refine this part of his game, we just haven’t really seen it happen this season and it’s been frustrating.

Let’s be real though, Rashford is still one of the most talented players around, and is still developing. He works his arse off most games and is still putting up strong numbers.

To cap it off he’s a local lad, loves United and seems like a great bloke. I’m glad he plays for us.
Yeah, I'm going to say (and hope) that when a right winger/proper striker comes, it will mean defenders cant double up on the left as easily, they will be stretched and it will open gaps for Rashford to gallop into with greater success rate.
 

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Can't wait to make this same thread for Greenwood too, a shocking state of support at times.
 

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My main frustration with Rashford is that he regularly tries to dribble it past about five players in the box and loses possession, when there are sometimes better options around him - I think he can refine this part of his game, we just haven’t really seen it happen this season and it’s been frustrating.

Let’s be real though, Rashford is still one of the most talented players around, and is still developing. He works his arse off most games and is still putting up strong numbers.

To cap it off he’s a local lad, loves United and seems like a great bloke. I’m glad he plays for us.
He can be frustrating to watch, but i put that down to coaching. You can see where Ole and his team have worked with him on his finishing. However lets face facts, if Rashford was under the tutelage of Guardiola he'd by now be a more rounded and consistent player.

I like him, he need genuine competition on that left wing to try to help him get the consistency in his game. That may come with age and maturity. He's not alone for picking the wrong option, unlike at City, where the forwards work well together to assist each other, ors are more selfish and myopic. That could be down to the tactical game plan or the coaching, i don't know. Rashford is definitely a big part of Utds future (unlike martial).
 

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He can be frustrating to watch, but i put that down to coaching. You can see where Ole and his team have worked with him on his finishing. However lets face facts, if Rashford was under the tutelage of Guardiola he'd by now be a more rounded and consistent player.

I like him, he need genuine competition on that left wing to try to help him get the consistency in his game. That may come with age and maturity. He's not alone for picking the wrong option, unlike at City, where the forwards work well together to assist each other, ors are more selfish and myopic. That could be down to the tactical game plan or the coaching, i don't know. Rashford is definitely a big part of Utds future (unlike martial).
Those aren’t facts. He could also be playing for a different club, like Sancho and Sane.
 

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He can be frustrating to watch, but i put that down to coaching. You can see where Ole and his team have worked with him on his finishing. However lets face facts, if Rashford was under the tutelage of Guardiola he'd by now be a more rounded and consistent player.

I like him, he need genuine competition on that left wing to try to help him get the consistency in his game. That may come with age and maturity. He's not alone for picking the wrong option, unlike at City, where the forwards work well together to assist each other, ors are more selfish and myopic. That could be down to the tactical game plan or the coaching, i don't know. Rashford is definitely a big part of Utds future (unlike martial).
My issue with the coaching theory though is that if me and you can see it, then surely Ole or any of his coaches can see it and are working to address it. The worst professional coach in the world knows more about footy than any of us and know much better how to work on specific problems.

I think it's coming down to split second decisions, and possibly habit with Rashford. He is naturally an instinct player - maybe Ole is wary of coaching this out of his game as it could make him less of a threat overall, but if he's going to be the best he needs to be able to combine his natural attacking flair with making astute decisions at match pace.
 

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He has been very inconsistent, ive perhaps been too harsh on him considering he has a few knocks, but ive seen a real arrogance and laziness to his play to be honest.
That said Bruno has been equally inconsistent......maybe they are burned out.
 

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Comfortably one of our key and most important players by far, surely our 2nd most productive player this season, clearly not 100%, still the victim of being totally underrated and undervalued by SadCafe.
 

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It's largely a mix between Martial FC fans and the RedCafe's anti-Englishness, ie:- folk who call anything English 'overrated' from the get go.
I'd wish this Martial FC stuff would have disappeared as soon as the toxic one left.

Rashford is not exempt from criticism because he's putting up good numbers. It's happened to people like RvN, Lukaku, even Bruno now gets bashed and called sloppy regularly. It's probably unfair in the sense that's it's probably linked to his injuries, but he's not been quite 'right' for some time now.

Rashford post lockdown vs pre lockdown reminds of Ronaldo 07/08 vs 06/07. He's lacking the thrust which carried our attack, is less direct and less involved in build up play. But he is much more clinical and we'd be stuffed without his goals. The main difference is that the current team lacks creativity elsewhere to get away with a Ronaldo type player.

If you took a YouTube compilation of Rashford's pace, skills, shooting and technique you'd have him down as Mbappe/young Ronaldo level, but he rarely seems to put it into one complete performance which I think is the source of frustration. Beautiful touch for the goal last night, but overran the ball on so many other occasions.
 

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Everybody trashed Lukaku because he got goals but his play wasn’t good enough and he broke down promising moves for fun supposedly. So we cut an 80 million pound asset free and don’t replace it. Fair enough. Rashford is getting some goals but his overall play is horrible. He’s absolutely killing us in the buildup over and over again making the exact same mistake on repeat game after game and for seasons now. He stays forward all the time and does absolutely nothing defensively or in the press. He starts on the left wing where you’re supposed to press and track
but he’s actually our striker which means we are playing an unbalanced system to accommodate him in the first place.

With his endless dribbling when there are other options on but some fans still want to delude themselves thinking oh it’s still ok if it comes off every so often. What’s considered a success in this case 1 in every 30 attempts? Is 20 goal ‘involvements’ really enough for Uniteds main striker when we are in the EL? I would argue we could be killing teams off earlier and scoring a lot more if Rashford passed the ball even the odd time. It might actually make his dribbling a little less predictable at the end of the day. People going on about if Pep had Rashford? If Pep had Rashford he’d be dropped if he kept mindlessly dribbling and losing the ball every time he got it. So he wouldn’t be playing these days for a start. He’d also have to track back an awful lot more that’s for sure. He might not be playing injured for 2 seasons or whatever it it is now but it wouldn’t be the plain sailing a lot of you seem to think. It’s not bad management. It’s the player. Ole is giving him total freedom to express himself and much less defensive work than any other winger in the league and this is what he’s giving him back, for whatever reason.

Last night he tried dribbling in our own half and was dispossessed and they had a promising counter. Another time he absolutely blasted a ball at Bruno in a harmless position around half way that set up another counter attack for them. That’s just gash sloppy play at any level. Then the fact he wasted literally every other touch of the ball apart from the goal? Tell me if that was Lukaku you wouldn’t be screaming at the screen. You would. You certainly wouldn’t have threads on here about the mistreatment of Lukaku and fans sneering at anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Attempting a Cruyff turn in the box with his teammates all around him? Then a great route one goal. If our defenders did that there would total rage. I like Rashford lads but you have your head in the clouds acting like he’s some plucky underdog and these performances are classy enough for a 200k a week player who is probably earning more than the whole team he was playing against last night. Top red it all you want. If you want Rashford to make the jump and actually become one of the worlds best players and not another PL hype job AND you also want to see United improve then he still needs to improve on his decision making and work rate. End of story.
 
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Wish our other attackers step up, barely games left this season. If they can regain some of the last season's form then we should end the season well.
Add Sancho numbers to that 3 behind a striker & we could be onto something. . .
 

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It's largely a mix between Martial FC fans (strange lot) and the RedCafe's anti-England brigade, ie:- folk who deem anything English 'overrated' from the get go.
I am neither and have actually always considered him one of my favorite players, but he has changed the way he plays.

He is a lot more selfish and arrogant on the ball now. Unfortunately without the skill to match.

He seriously has to start passing the ball instead of trying to dribble past 3 players. So frustrating.
 

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Imagine how deluded our fanbase is in believing we have better players than Rashford or that we can buy someone better. We have about 7 positions in the starting 11 that require an upgrade before we even consider Rashford's status and position at the club.

Absolutely pathetic agenda by the more frustrated parts of our fanbase, who also seem to be anti-English as another poster mentioned. I feel sad, angry, disappointed and embarrassed reading the constant horseshit in this thread.
 

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He needs to be a lot less selfish in dangerous positions. It would make him more unpredictable overall. At the minute you just put bodies around him and wait for him to run into you and give the ball away
Rashford is better with Martial, then he is more likely to try a pass instead of taking on 3 men at the same time. I´m sure Ole is encouraging him to try make things happen, but Rashford has to show better judgment on when it´s worth trying.
 

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There's no denying his output in terms of goals and assists and his overall threat is massive for the team. Young players are generally inconsistent and at times he can be very frustrating. What lets him down and annoys me about him is his movement with and without the ball and decision making are quite predictable and often quite poor.