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Last night they had Davis sent off in the 12th minute and still proceded to destroy Stuttgart 4-0. Won the league eight seasons in a row and will probably win this year, too.

Personally, I think they're the best side in Europe at the moment. I wonder though how well they'd do in EPL. Probably would still be favourites for the title and they'd steamroll a few sides with hockey scores, but I don't think there's a chance in hell of them winning the league year after year like they do in Germany.
 
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Last night they had Davis sent off in the 12th minute and still proceded to destroy Stuttgart 4-0. Won the league eight seasons in a row and will probably win this year, too.

Personally, I think they're the best side in Europe at the moment. I wonder though how well they'd do in EPL. Probably would still be favourites for the title and they'd steamroll a few sides with hockey scores, but I don't think there's a chance in hell of them winning the league year after year like they do in Germany.
They'd be competing with City and Liverpool every year. Probably beating them more often than not.



The only issue they might have in England is Lewandowski literally has no back up and lack of a winter break. But financially they'd get around it.
 

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Last night they had Davis sent off in the 12th minute and still proceded to destroy Stuttgart 4-0. Won the league eight seasons in a row and will probably win this year, too.

Personally, I think they're the best side in Europe at the moment. I wonder though how well they'd do in EPL. Probably would still be favourites for the title and they'd steamroll a few sides with hockey scores, but I don't think there's a chance in hell of them winning the league year after year like they do in Germany.
I don't think we have the squad depth to make it through a season of english football plus CL.
 

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They'd be competing with City and Liverpool every year. Probably beating them more often than not.



The only issue they might have in England is Lewandowski literally has no back up and lack of a winter break. But financially they'd get around it.
I'd agree about regularly competing but I think the physical wear and tear of the EPL would at some point take a toll on their form. Plus, I don't think they'd welcome the idea of facing City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal, Leicester twice a season and competing with those sides in two domestic cups on top of their CL campaigns and players being involved with their national teams in between. They also wouldn't be ab;e to cherry pick best talent off their direct rivals like they've been doing for years in Bundesliga.
 

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I don't think we have the squad depth to make it through a season of english football plus CL.
I think you do and I think you have the best talents in Europe right now. I’m actually very envious of your squad and you didn’t have to spend too much.

GK: NEUER
RB: PAVARD, Kimmich
LB: DAVIES, Hernandez, Alaba
CB: BOATENG, HERNANDEZ, SUELE, ALABA
CM: GORETKZA, TOLISSO, MARTINEZ, KIMMICH, Alaba
LW/RW/AM: COMAN, SANE, GNARBRY, MUELLER, COSTA,
CF: LEWANDOWSKI
 

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I think you do and I think you have the best talents in Europe right now. I’m actually very envious of your squad and you didn’t have to spend too much.

GK: NEUER
RB: PAVARD, Kimmich
LB: DAVIES, Hernandez, Alaba
CB: BOATENG, HERNANDEZ, SUELE, ALABA
CM: GORETKZA, TOLISSO, MARTINEZ, KIMMICH, Alaba
LW/RW/AM: COMAN, SANE, GNARBRY, MUELLER, COSTA,
CF: LEWANDOWSKI
+ CF: Choupo-Moting
+ MF: Musiala
+ MF Roca
 

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I think you do and I think you have the best talents in Europe right now. I’m actually very envious of your squad and you didn’t have to spend too much.

GK: NEUER
RB: PAVARD, Kimmich
LB: DAVIES, Hernandez, Alaba
CB: BOATENG, HERNANDEZ, SUELE, ALABA
CM: GORETKZA, TOLISSO, MARTINEZ, KIMMICH, Alaba
LW/RW/AM: COMAN, SANE, GNARBRY, MUELLER, COSTA,
CF: LEWANDOWSKI
That is probably the best balanced squad in Europe. The only issue would be Lewa being able to handle the intensity/depth of the league as well as the CL.

He would still probably be the top CF in Europe but I am not sure he would have quite the same figures or be able to do as many minutes. Bottom half of the Bundesliga is a significant step down from the bottom half of the PL, plus it has another 10% of games owing to it having 20 teams rather than 18.
 

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I must admit I don’t watch Bayern much but from their squad I feel like a massive injury to Lewandowski would give the manager a considerable headache. Not only because of his talent but because the back up is.. choupo? I mean I could be completely wrong there as I said I don’t watch them much but it looks lacking in the forward area.
 

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They'd be competing with City and Liverpool every year. Probably beating them more often than not.



The only issue they might have in England is Lewandowski literally has no back up and lack of a winter break. But financially they'd get around it.
For me, it's always been that Bayern would easily win the EPL from seasons 12-13 to 16-17. Those were the lowest points of quality in the EPL since the 90's, while Dortmund and Bayern were better than their EPL counterparts.

17-18 would be close between Bayern and City. While Bayern had a tough start to the season under Anchelotti, they became a great side again with Heynckes taking over mid-season and really deserved to beat Real in the semi-final of the UCL (and would've been favourites against Liverpool in the final), City though might have taken the season since Bayern would've been far behind at the start.

18-19, Bayern would've been fighting for a top 4 spot, let alone be fighting for the title. They shouldn't have even won the BL, only got it by a point in the end because of a late season collapse by Dortmund. Bayern were poor under Kovac, and there is no dicussion as to how they would do in the EPL given how easily Liverpool disposed of them.

19-20, Bayern would be at the top no doubt. We all know they were incredible under Flick last season and their dominance over the two English sides indicated that they would not have struggled a lot in the EPL.

20-21, would be interesting given both City and Bayern had rough starts to their campaigns but are finding form after the mid-way point. I suppose there is still a long way to go in the season to determine strong both sides actually are. Bayern have to face Leipzig in a huge clash next week that can bring the lead down to 1 point, while City would have to prove themselves in the UCL.
 

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I must admit I don’t watch Bayern much but from their squad I feel like a massive injury to Lewandowski would give the manager a considerable headache. Not only because of his talent but because the back up is.. choupo? I mean I could be completely wrong there as I said I don’t watch them much but it looks lacking in the forward area.
That's very true.

However, Lewandowski's fitness record is amazing, he's basically never injured, let alone long term.
The only instance that comes to mind since he's been playing for us was when he got his face smashed badly by BVB GK Langerak in the14/15 season, and even then he played the week after, CL semis against Barca, with a face mask (but was severely hampered).
Apart from that, he's basically always been available, and he also always fit and willing to play, which poses a problem in terms of squad planning for a backup. You really need someone that is content with sitting on the bench all season, yet with enough quality to provide some kind of backup in rare instances.
So, a talented youngster, for example, is a bad idea because the lack of game time would hamper their progress (and so Zirkzee, last years young backup, left on loan).
That's the reason we haven't had a proper backup striker for years (something which us Bayern fans were wary about often), at times the idea was to just use Müller (which was a terrible idea), but now we've settled on these kind of decent, experienced strikers from the second or third row of top football, who are nearing the end of their career.

The hypothetical question discussed here ('what if Bayern played in the PL') is of course always a bit skewed, you would assume that were we playing the 38 games league and 2 domestic cups, but also had the increased broadcast money, we'd have a deeper squad accordingly.
 
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They'd be competing with City and Liverpool every year. Probably beating them more often than not.



The only issue they might have in England is Lewandowski literally has no back up and lack of a winter break. But financially they'd get around it.
It will never happen so it is somewhat of a pointless exercise. However, Bayern’s squad depth would obviously look different were they in the Premier League. And they would have even more income due to the higher TV contracts in England.
 

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I must admit I don’t watch Bayern much but from their squad I feel like a massive injury to Lewandowski would give the manager a considerable headache. Not only because of his talent but because the back up is.. choupo? I mean I could be completely wrong there as I said I don’t watch them much but it looks lacking in the forward area.
The Cameroonian is a huge step down from Lewa no doubt but Mueller can easily fill that void with little problems. Definitely not to the extent that Lewa the beast would but enough to see off so many teams in Europe. This is apart from the many wide forwards they have that can do a pretty good job there.
 

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The Cameroonian is a huge step down from Lewa no doubt but Mueller can easily fill that void with little problems. Definitely not to the extent that Lewa the beast would but enough to see off so many teams in Europe. This is apart from the many wide forwards they have that can do a pretty good job there.
You can't put Müller in Lewandowski's position, he just doesn't work that way. When he scores it's almost never from a classical 9 position or movement, but slotting in from somewhere because defenders were concerned with the nominal 9. He needs someone posing a goal threat further up to set up and link up with. For that reason Choupo is a 200% better option to fill a Lewa absence than Müller himself.
 

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Another noteworthy point about this enviable squad is that a few years ago, they had a challenge of replacing their best players in Ribbery and Robben. Transiting from that phase was a bit of a struggle because they relied a lot on these guys

In a couple of years, they have been able to make that position an area of strength and they did this without really breaking the bank. Bayern management has to be the best in Europe now. Can we tap up a few of the guys that make things happen over there?
 

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You can't put Müller in Lewandowski's position, he just doesn't work that way. When he scores it's almost never from a classical 9 position or movement, but slotting in from somewhere because defenders were concerned with the nominal 9. He needs someone posing a goal threat further up to set up and link up with. For that reason Choupo is a 200% better option to fill a Lewa absence than Müller himself.
And it's not only that (that Müller isn't as effective and fully comfortable playing as a nominal 9), it's also that he's our best assister and the player to make it happen for the striker, so using him as a backup striker in Lewandowski's absence, which means simultaneously removing him from his vital usual role, ends up being doubly detrimental; it means that in games where we don't have our best striker, we then automatically also don't have our best creator.
It's good that we don't do it anymore.
 

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Flick's grin while shooting balls at his players from a cannon gives me a lot. :lol:
 

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Flick to the National Team. Nagelsmann to take over Bayern. Dortmund sign a new manager.

Big news day in Bundesliga.
 
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Flick to the National Team. Nagelsmann to take over Bayern. Dortmund sign a new manager.

Big news day in Bundesliga.
Whoa what? Do you have any sources?
Dortmund just signed Rose a few weeks ago.
Can‘t find any sources about Nagelsmann to Bayern either
 

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If I were Bayern, I'd rather get rid of Salihamidzic than see Flick leaving.
His transfer record is rather mixed and Flick completely transformed the team. Just 18 months ago they played such a mediocre brand of football under Kovac.
 

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If I were Bayern, I'd rather get rid of Salihamidzic than see Flick leaving.
His transfer record is rather mixed and Flick completely transformed the team. Just 18 months ago they played such a mediocre brand of football under Kovac.
I'm actually a bit torn. Flick sticking with Boateng and Alaba at CB whenever he can, instead of making more use of Hernandez, for example, is hardly understandable and doesn't fill me with confidence in his personnel-related decision making. I'm not convinced he should have more control over the squad composition, even though Brazzo's recruiting 'strategy' (applying benefit of doubt here) is patchy.
Quite clearly Flick and Salihamidzic can't stand each other and one of them will have to leave, and as clearly i'd like Flick to stay, i just still think we need to continue with a director of sports to handle the squad planning independently of the current coach.
 

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Anyone news of Lewa being back in time for the match? I would love it if they end PSG's CL hopes.
 

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If I were Bayern, I'd rather get rid of Salihamidzic than see Flick leaving.
His transfer record is rather mixed and Flick completely transformed the team. Just 18 months ago they played such a mediocre brand of football under Kovac.
Flick is not the saint + There are reasons why only Rummenigge is on the side of Flick and Hoeness, Kahn & Hainer are on the side of Salihamidzic.
 

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Personally i would fire Flick, if i can get Nagelsmann. Harsh, but it is a business.
I don't think it's harsh at all. Even if we forget that Flick was nothing more than an assistant 1.5 years ago and he would be little more than a footnote in history, if it wasn't for Bayern's officials giving him an honest chance, instead of just shopping for a big name, when they sacked Kovac: who does he think he is, bitching about spending and squad depth in times of Corona? He creates drama and plays games in the public arena to the detriment of his employer. If he had not won the CL last season or if Brazzo didn't still have that breakfast director image lingering around him, then this issue would be framed completely differently.
 

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I don't think it's harsh at all. Even if we forget that Flick was nothing more than an assistant 1.5 years ago and he would be little more than a footnote in history, if it wasn't for Bayern's officials giving him an honest chance, instead of just shopping for a big name, when they sacked Kovac: who does he think he is, bitching about spending and squad depth in times of Corona? He creates drama and plays games in the public arena to the detriment of his employer. If he had not won the CL last season or if Brazzo didn't still have that breakfast director image lingering around him, then this issue would be framed completely differently.
What are the chances of the national team snapping him up if Bayern tell Flick he'll be gone after the end of the season?
 

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What are the chances of the national team snapping him up if Bayern tell Flick he'll be gone after the end of the season?
The media appears to agree that he is by far DFB's first choice and if Flick does leave Bayern this summer I don't see it being, because another club is more appealing than Bayern.
 

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The media appears to agree that he is by far DFB's first choice and if Flick does leave Bayern this summer I don't see it being, because another club is more appealing than Bayern.
He would know what Bayern's plans are for players more than we do. If he feels the team may decline, that German National Team is a pretty sweet gig with all the young German players coming through.
 

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He would know what Bayern's plans are for players more than we do. If he feels the team may decline, that German National Team is a pretty sweet gig with all the young German players coming through.
it obviously depends on your definition of „young“ but who is there with huge potential besides the usual suspects Havertz, Wirtz, Musiala?
 

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I rate Nagelsmann highly and i like the football he has his teams playing. Therefore i want him at Bayern.
A Flick led Bayern are playing the best football in the sport but you're happy to lose him because you like Leipzig play? Wow.