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Great bunch of lads."we can now go live to Carrington hear from Ole ahead of the Granada game"
Great bunch of lads."we can now go live to Carrington hear from Ole ahead of the Granada game"
I'm reporting you. Racism is nothing to laugh at....Am I racist for laughing at this "news"?
You can have both, though. You can take racial abuse extremely seriously while still condemning those who lie about it. Suing the Korean paper here wouldn't detract from the battle against actual racism.Let's not oversimplify this. Racial abuse in football is a real issue, a crucial one even, but that's all the more reason why it shouldn't be bandied about when there's absolutely no cause for it. And still less when a player of one ethnicity is basically treated like he would be if he was of any other ethnicity. Which I think is clear is the case here, re Ole's almost exactly similar comments about Lamela.
I'm fairly sure most of them are the second kind. I doubt many of them actually have any sort of strong feelings about black people or Asian people. It's just about getting a rise to them. That's why, if social media sites introduced bans for racist abuse, most of these trolls wouldn't bother any more. Not worth getting banned for something they don't actually care about.Genuine question, I wonder how many of those idiots tweeting racist stuff are actually racist, and how many are just trolls who have found it a really effective way to wreak the kind of havok they have always dreamed of?
I don't know, that sounds made up to me.I suppose the racism angle would be the play on the surname.
Olle took the Surname and used it as a play about not feeding his Son. Perhaps the Koreans feel angry that someone using a Korean Surname to mean something else is racist?
It's been a lot longer that 24hrs mate, he broke another footballer leg, and then tried kick out at another.Oh wow, man I used to like this guy, heck of a player, but what a heel turn in 24 hours. Detestable to even try to turn this into a story.
Challenge accepted.“If Son did that, I wouldn’t give him food.”
I challenge anyone to find racism in the above comment.
Yeah, sure, absolutely.You can have both, though. You can take racial abuse extremely seriously while still condemning those who lie about it. Suing the Korean paper here wouldn't detract from the battle against actual racism.
It's like the Cavani thing. People said he should shut up and take the punishment so as not to undermine the FA's anti-racism effort, but an innocent person is still entitled to point out when they are being accused of something false.
Yep. Again, per these two posts (one of which might be ironic) -The translation of the media report in the OP does not indicate that Ole said anything racist. So to be honest the thread title should be changed. It’s probably inaccurate and a little inflammatory.
Thread title's bollocks, needs changing before the Caf's sued.
- And this one:The article doesn't say this. Change the thread title
- none of the Korean headlines or articles are saying anything at all about Ole saying anything racist. I don't know what the caf's exposure is on something like this, so who knows how prudent it would be to change the thread title or if it even matters after the time elapsed.KBS, MBC are two biggest media companies in Korea.
Tbf most Asian countries are very protective of their "national heroes". The news came as no surprise but the article doesn't say Son Heung Min was racially abused by Ole, they claim fans on social media did it.
I don't know either, but I think the powers that be on here are no fools on the matter, if it had needed to come down they would have done it by now. Sorry for my outbreak of drama-queen lurgy, it was late- none of the Korean headlines or articles are saying anything at all about Ole saying anything racist. I don't know what the caf's exposure is on something like this, so who knows how prudent it would be to change the thread title or if it even matters after the time elapsed.
Yours was the one I thought might be ironic/kidding.I don't know either, but I think the powers that be on here are no fools on the matter, if it had needed to come down they would have done it by now. Sorry for my outbreak of drama-queen lurgy, it was late
Hi, wing. Is Ole your dad?Yours was the one I thought might be ironic/kidding.
EDIT: I agree; it's been a while since the potential problem has been brought to light. They probably checked and have been told it's okay.
Are you trying to say that wing -> wing chun -> Yip Man -> Bruce Lee -> Broccoli -> Beef with -> Chinese take out -> trying to get the caf chop-sue-yed.Hi, wing. Is Ole your dad?
There's probably a lower likelihood that a Korean media outlet would sue the caf.Are you trying to say that wing -> wing chun -> Yip Man -> Bruce Lee -> Broccoli -> Beef with -> Chinese take out -> trying to get the caf chop-sue-yed.
On a more serious note, I was remembering all the Giggs superinjunction omgomg-censor-all-the-posts-we're-going-to-be-sued hoopla.
Is that because they're Asian and passive?There's probably a lower likelihood that a Korean media outlet would sue the caf.
Rashford would soon fix that anywayAll this aside, Ole really does need to learn the more idiomatic, less sinister phrase 'he'd be going to bed without any dinner'.
No, it's because they're far away and the cost/benefit ratio isn't in their favour.Is that because they're Asian and passive?
In the hypothetical situation where it were a possibility, I don't know about the 'far away' thing.No, it's because they're far away and the cost/benefit ratio isn't in their favour.
The cost benefit for large corporate entities is more to do with the fact that they have these lawyers on staff and their time could be better spent on more important matters than suing a website based out of Ireland for a post made by some random.In the hypothetical situation where it were a possibility, I don't know about the 'far away' thing.
But the economics/optics of the CNN(?) of the eleventh(?) largest economy in the world suing a tiny football club website (by comparison) would be interesting. Gut feeling says cost/benefit wouldn't be a factor at all. It'd just be a matter if they wanted to not send ten executives on a golf outing in the next year. It'd be a matter of whim.
Just checked, they have a circa 5 bn USD annual budget. Legal fees to sue and win or lose/countersuit would be a molecule in the bucket. Ball would be in their court.
And in the words of the immortal James Woods in Contact, how bad would they feel about going out of their way to stomp on an anthill in a 'backwards racist boondock' that might be replaced by something better afterwards?The cost benefit for large corporate entities is more to do with the fact that they have these lawyers on staff and their time could be better spent on more important matters than suing a website based out of Ireland for a post made by some random.
There would be no stomping. The reality is that step one is a cease and desist letter. Easy option for Niall is to remove the thread in the event that occurs.And in the words of the immortal James Woods in Contact, how bad would they feel about going out of their way to stomp on an anthill in a 'backwards racist boondock' that might be replaced by something better afterwards?
Who knows. Some junior newbie over there could be given this case to cut her/his/their teeth on. 'See if you can do anything with this.' Six years later, the true story wins an Oscar.
Again, it'd be a matter of whimsy. Obviously their high-powered and even middle to just-above-bottom-rung gals/guys wouldn't be bothered with it.
Distasteful?Was it the play on words regarding 'son'? I find it lame and distasteful but not racist.
Yep to the bolded part. And again, IMO enough time had passed in between the first pointing out from 711 - and perhaps(?) before that - that it had been discussed and deemed not necessary.There would be no stomping. The reality is that step one is a cease and desist letter. Easy option for Niall is to remove the thread in the event that occurs.
That will flow the same way from Ole's perspective. Tell them outlet to report a clarification on the nature of his comments or they'll get sued for defamation.
Both of the above contingent on whether either party cares enough. At this moment, they probably don't.
I get your point, but hardware is perhaps the only objective metric with which to compare players.Has there been any update from the Korean news channels? Maybe a retraction about what they said regarding Ole?
Comparing trophy hauls has always been a poor way of judging players. It plays a part,
and especially more so when trying to rank players who played for top teams in a historical manner (where does Messi rank compared to Ronaldo etc) but it’s still a relatively poor way of doing it. Kane has undoubtedly been one of the best strikers in the world for a while, yet if you compare his trophy haul to Gary Neville he’s eclipsed massively. Using trophy hauls to compare players in a sport like football doesn’t really work.
(just saw the other thread should have posted it in there)
Bono is an Irish rock singer with the band U2.Qui bono.
That would be Qui est Bono. You were clearly never a real doctor.Bono is an Irish rock singer with the band U2.
That's racist!! Somehow. I'm sure.
What a load of bollocks... Son really is the golden boy in Korea.
Sources say the Asian surnames Jin (China/Taiwan), Kim (Korea) and Gon/Gin in Japan use the character for 'gold'.That's racist!! Somehow. I'm sure.
You just assumed that China, Taiwan, and Japan were worth bringing up in a topic about Korean media. So there's that.Sources say the Asian surnames Jin (China/Taiwan), Kim (Korea) and Gon/Gin in Japan use the character for 'gold'.
You're racist for pointing out their avarice.
It wouldn't be a surprise, they even try to ditch Park's legendary status by comparing him with Son in some reality shows. Most of young koreans now days are die hard Son's fans, that's why their media worship him in every shows.
What a load of bollocks... Son really is the golden boy in Korea.
I don't do laughing smilies, but I'm tempted on this one. The thought of anyone taking that seriously.You just assumed that China, Taiwan, and Japan were worth bringing up in a topic about Korean media. So there's that.
I'm going to stop sarcastically making fun of this now though.
Racism is obviously a very serious topic and as someone with multicultural background I'm well aware of how much it is a problem. To paint what Ole said as racist is just ridiculous though.