A bit of an overreaction, why should it matter to anyone at the club what Pogba says about his experience's with a manager the club sacked? It's not like he's talking bad about Fergie
Pogba on the differences between Ole & Mourinho
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Whenever his team loses, it’s always his players or the ref. For the first one and a half seasons, it’s the ref, and after that, it’s the players. I was very surprised when I read about it in a book, but I also wouldn’t be surprised. Apparently, the only reason that game ended 1-1 was because if you remember correctly, Mourinho had a touch line ban for criticising the ref from the first leg thus didn’t travel to the stadium, so Casillas told the players to forget everything he said on the coach to the Camp Nou.
Given what Jose said about Ole after the game I'm sure he'll have a wry smile watching that video (if he even bothers to watch it)
Every player has been saying lot of good things about Ole’s man management.
Ole can’t stand Mourinho. As someone said, it’s not like he criticised Fergie. Clearly, Pogba doesn’t have a good relationship with Fergie too, but Ole wouldn’t let him criticise Fergie. With Mourinho, I doubt Ole would care.
Seeing as he only calls him Mourinho, do you have something against names in general? As a concept?
Even the likes of Terry said that he wouldn't talk to injured players or players that weren't in his immediate plans. The signs of his weirdness have always been there.
It’s not the most professional, but I can’t see any criticism of Mourinho upsetting Ole too much right now. Besides, this is just desserts for Jose with what he regularly says to the media about his players.
Yeah, true. This season he’s probably been more consistent than he has been in years, if you put his crap early season form down in covid. But Ole was his manager last season too. I do think Ole’s handling of the Pogba situation has been very good but he definitely hasn’t radically turned his United career round the way she implied with her final question.
She tries to ask about it twice, and the second time there's a proposition embedded in the question, that "it works for Pogba particularely well " to which he responds with a very unassured "maybe he's* close to the people" and then a very general "every manager is different" and then an acknowledgement of Shaw's quality. Surely the question she poses has the illocutionary force of giving him the chance to praise the manager, which he never really responds to.
*also possibly 'bit'
The fecking prick deserves it.
It's Raiola that doesn't have a good relationship with Fergie.
Meh, I don't necessarily like our club or any one related to it speaking anything about Jose for the simple reason that Mourinho is a cnut and has no boundaries. Don't really want to go into argument with people like that.
Eh? I thought Pogba was pretty reserved to be honest. He could have absolutely hammered him but basically said he felt their relationship changed over night and doesn't understand why.
This thread is a good one, you can see who's come into it already deciding what they wanted to say no matter the outcome
It's nice to see the truth revealed though, the most telling part was the "once you're on the sideline you're forgotten about". Mourinho only cared about players he liked, no wonder his squads always fall apart.
This thread is a good one, you can see who's come into it already deciding what they wanted to say no matter the outcome
It's nice to see the truth revealed though, the most telling part was the "once you're on the sideline you're forgotten about". Mourinho only cared about players he liked, no wonder his squads always fall apart.
True
Not even words are needed with our body language experts.He confirmed what all of us knew. Mourinho has difficulty in relating to modern footballers and Ole is very respected by the players. Good to hear. Now sign a new contract Paul and we can move on.
It’s definitely both. We all know Pogba’s reaction to THAT Blackburn game where Fergie didn’t start him.
His comments on Mourinho seem pretty tame to me. Very strange to see people interpret them as 'fighting words', hitting back and publicly criticizing.
How can Pogba say anything about Jose when he uses the media to his advantage two or three times a season.
I don't like Jose one bit but I take anything Pogba says with a pinch of salt. He's known for causing trouble himself.
I don't like Jose one bit but I take anything Pogba says with a pinch of salt. He's known for causing trouble himself.
Go Pogba. Hang him out to dry. You can see the lack of respect in that he keeps referring to Mourinho by surname and Ole by first name.
Also that hoodie is lovely.
Also that hoodie is lovely.
Its more a technique to break up the static camera shot than anything else, (something I reckon Sky picked up off WWE sit down interviews but anyway) Sky Sports seem to massively overuse the technique though.
I really dislike Mourinho but that's not quite fair.
He picked Pogba even when Pogba was badly out of form. During that period he tried him in various positions, talked him up when he was clearly terrible. He gave Pogba every chance on the pitch.
But Mourinho ignoring players who aren't selected or injured is true. He's pretty much said it himself, that's his approach. Who knows why he does it, there never seems to be an upside to it.
Mourinho called him a bad father and person, and some quotes are flying around (not sure if real or fake) of Mourinho mocking his lack of silverware too.
Somehow, I don’t think Ole is that bothered.
Bad word choice from my part, i meant to say "bad mouthing".
I don't like it, even if it's directed to Jose. Not publicly at least.
I'd like to think of us as a Gentelman's club, and this is something a gentelman does not do.
Bread is bread and cheese is cheese. Mourinho is a poor man manager, you don't drop one of the most influential players in your squad someone you purchased for a world record fee and made many promises to without saying 'psstt hey! you need time out to get your head back in the game, I need you at your best not like this'. You're just bringing in the war home then.
Pogba's only ever been available in patches though.
When you break it down unequivocally Pogba's best form for United was when Ole first came in before the whole team's form went to shit out of exhaustion. Pogba then missed most of Ole's first whole season in charge and then this season (Ole's second full season in charge) after he got over Covid and before getting injured against Everton
There's little doubt in my mind Pogba's best form has been under Ole. That being said Pogba is still inconsistent, is a bit injury prone and does take a bit of time to get going once he returns from injury
People acting as if he went on an aggressive rant. It was timid, yet effective.
‘ooo Ole won’t like this’
Give me a break.
‘ooo Ole won’t like this’
Give me a break.
Its not that explosive really. Either way Mourinho wont be able to help himself he will get some kind of dig in over the weekend
Robben recounted the same. He said it's almost like Mourinho was personally offended when a player was injured.
I also recall the passive-agressive, reproachful disdain with which Mourinho spoke about Hazard withdrawing from games due to 'perceived' injury or 'felt' pain, in the Chelsea melt-down season. It was like he was accusing Hazard of betrayal due to being too weak, sensitive, or lazy.This season it has been similar with Bale, and last season with Ndombélé.
As for the bench players, of course, players who already only got to play very few minutes will have fantastic conditions for performing once they do have to play, after the manager has umistakenly made clear he has no confidence in them or doesn't rate them. His approach has been actually sabotaging the ability of his teams to perform in all competitions.
Might be this you're thinking of?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44013364
"For 10 months I get asked 'why always Lukaku? Why always Lukaku? Why always this player?'" Mourinho said.
"'That guy doesn't have a chance to start, the other one is on the bench'. You know why now."
The players in question he's criticising are Martial (astonishing there) and Marcus fecking Rashford, who he also tried to humiliate by turning to the Old Trafford crowd and shaking his head theatrically when he missed a shot in another game.
Pogba is like clockwork. Any good performance and you get loads of media, then on bad runs of form he literally disappears or just has Riaola tweet something cryptic. Amazing player on his day but this interview is very naive and I’d imagine Ole won’t be happy because you don’t need to say this, we all know it and who does it benefit.
Fair fecks to Pogba for shooting back finally at Mourinho, Jose has never been shy of throwing his players under the bus so why shouldn't he get a bit back once in a while?
However - this interview tells me Pogba might be on his way out at United, I can't see him having the balls to do this otherwise since this is absolutely not the done thing if you're a United player (and I can't see Ole being thrilled about it either)
However - this interview tells me Pogba might be on his way out at United, I can't see him having the balls to do this otherwise since this is absolutely not the done thing if you're a United player (and I can't see Ole being thrilled about it either)
Exactly that. He was basically triumphant that the poor performance looked to prove his decisions against some players right. Bizarre. It showed that, in his head, the priority is in media spin, narrative, and in personally coming across well, over the benefit of the team.
I remember reading that Bill Shankly was the same but then that was a long time ago. Probably shouldn't manage in the style of someone from 60-odd years ago.
Mourinho's inclination to isolate and publicly attack his own players is not only unpleasant but also very stupid. It's a big part of why he has struggled in recent jobs. I find it hard to criticise a player for publicly calling him out on it, because god knows having to deal with it at the time must have been a pain.
No he isn't, all that"trouble" came from Jose. Pogba never had problems at Juventus or with the National team.
The ones crying in here need to stay in their LUHG camps on Twitter. Mourinho has been throwing players under the bus for years, it's sweet when they finally return the favour.
Looking forward to an angry Jose at the next presser, talking in riddles to hide his fury while getting in as many snide remarks as possible towards United and Pogba.
Looking forward to an angry Jose at the next presser, talking in riddles to hide his fury while getting in as many snide remarks as possible towards United and Pogba.
He’s hardly ripped Mou a new one and criticised him heavily , he answered the questions honestly which is refreshing to see,
Some right miserable old farts on here, these managers are allowed to talk constant crap about players as mou has publicly done with pogba but the second he replies he’s labelled as unprofessional and it’s not a good look , Ole will be unhappy etc?
in the words of Roy Keane , Do me a favour
Some right miserable old farts on here, these managers are allowed to talk constant crap about players as mou has publicly done with pogba but the second he replies he’s labelled as unprofessional and it’s not a good look , Ole will be unhappy etc?
in the words of Roy Keane , Do me a favour
Particualrly when it's easier for players to move nowadays, they don't have to accept being treated as unanimated things. I would bet that almost none of us would accept it which makes it very strange when people defends it.
Nice to see someone within the game calling Mourinho out on his bullshit. Well in Paul
The canteen will be closed for Paul for the next couple of days.
Precisely this. People just read wayyy too much into things.