Working Mans game has been dead for decades.

SAred · Apr 20, 2021

So with the advent of this new Super League and the outcry from the multi-Millionaire X-Footballers (oh the Irony) about taking the game away from the fans and the clubs only interested in money(oh the Irony again).

The game has not been a working man's game for decades. The likes of Gary Neville, Rio, even Roy Keane, and many others signed massive contacts to be loyal to their fans and teams. So please for these players to jump up and down and bitch about Football Clubs chasing money falls flat. Not one of those loyal players would stay loyal to their football teams if they could get a bigger contract elsewhere. How many players in today's United team are so loyal to their fans and team to turn down a bigger contract - I tell you not one.

So how do the likes of Gary Neville bitch when he and the other multi-millionaire footballers are part of a problem that has taken the workingman's game away from the workingman? So to say Football is dead when the reality football has not been a workingman's game for decades and the likes of bitching Gary was part of this..

roonster09 · Apr 20, 2021

Weird to have a go at Neville, Rio or any players.

pacifictheme · Apr 20, 2021

Players moving clubs to earn more money is not the same as what these clubs are doing and the sooner idiots who fail to understand this shut up the better.

TrueRed1999 · Apr 20, 2021

SAred said:
So with the advent of this new Super League and the outcry from the multi-Millionaire X-Footballers (oh the Irony) about taking the game away from the fans and the clubs only interested in money(oh the Irony again).

The game has not been a working man's game for decades. The likes of Gary Neville, Rio, even Roy Keane, and many others signed massive contacts to be loyal to their fans and teams. So please for these players to jump up and down and bitch about Football Clubs chasing money falls flat. Not one of those loyal players would stay loyal to their football teams if they could get a bigger contract elsewhere. How many players in today's United team are so loyal to their fans and team to turn down a bigger contract - I tell you not one.

So how do the likes of Gary Neville bitch when he and the other multi-millionaire footballers are part of a problem that has taken the workingman's game away from the workingman? So to say Football is dead when the reality football has not been a workingman's game for decades and the likes of bitching Gary was part of this..

I said this yesterday all good coming out but when players are earning 10,000% more than I make in a year but in a week and they have the balls to say its a working man's game get to feck, I am against this Super League as when its the Glazers the masterminds of it you know majority of us are getting screwed.

Pexbo · Apr 20, 2021

SAred said:
So with the advent of this new Super League and the outcry from the multi-Millionaire X-Footballers (oh the Irony) about taking the game away from the fans and the clubs only interested in money(oh the Irony again).

The game has not been a working man's game for decades. The likes of Gary Neville, Rio, even Roy Keane, and many others signed massive contacts to be loyal to their fans and teams. So please for these players to jump up and down and bitch about Football Clubs chasing money falls flat. Not one of those loyal players would stay loyal to their football teams if they could get a bigger contract elsewhere. How many players in today's United team are so loyal to their fans and team to turn down a bigger contract - I tell you not one.

So how do the likes of Gary Neville bitch when he and the other multi-millionaire footballers are part of a problem that has taken the workingman's game away from the workingman? So to say Football is dead when the reality football has not been a workingman's game for decades and the likes of bitching Gary was part of this..

The majority of footballers are from working class backgrounds who have worked hard to get where they are. We need to stop having a go at them as if they are the problem. If the players weren’t compensated accordingly, the owners would just be banking more money.

Look at Rashford, it was only about 7/8 years ago he was relying on free school meals to not be hungry. How you can think people like him are the problem (I’m not including his charity work in this) I’ll never know.

Stack · Apr 20, 2021

SAred said:
So with the advent of this new Super League and the outcry from the multi-Millionaire X-Footballers (oh the Irony) about taking the game away from the fans and the clubs only interested in money(oh the Irony again).

The game has not been a working man's game for decades. The likes of Gary Neville, Rio, even Roy Keane, and many others signed massive contacts to be loyal to their fans and teams. So please for these players to jump up and down and bitch about Football Clubs chasing money falls flat. Not one of those loyal players would stay loyal to their football teams if they could get a bigger contract elsewhere. How many players in today's United team are so loyal to their fans and team to turn down a bigger contract - I tell you not one.

So how do the likes of Gary Neville bitch when he and the other multi-millionaire footballers are part of a problem that has taken the workingman's game away from the workingman? So to say Football is dead when the reality football has not been a workingman's game for decades and the likes of bitching Gary was part of this..

Its still a working mans game, all you have to do is support and go watch local league football. There is more to football than the top pro leagues.

GazTheLegend · Apr 20, 2021

roonster09 said:
Weird to have a go at Neville, Rio or any players.

He's right though.

The irony of sky charging £30 a month to listen to Gary fecking Neville rant about fairness for the fans.

It's £22 a ticket for a league one game.

The owners of all clubs - and not just the super League breakaway teams as well - DO NOT CARE about the 'legacy fans' and somehow people are attacking Manchester United or saying the players should do this or that about them. Well, sky, BBC and whoever have half joked about the Glazers ownership, given Abramovich and The Mansours free passes, and allowed self admitted 'cheating' of financial fair play rules (and arguably doping regulations) for years. They are complicit in this shitfest and to somehow pretend they couldn't see this coming when club owners have been speaking about it for years is outrageous to me.

Clubs should be fan owned like in Germany. This is the only way forward from this point. Get that cancer out of the game

SAred · Apr 20, 2021

roonster09 said:
Weird to have a go at Neville, Rio or any players.

Those are the pundits that I have heard the most from and non more so than Millionaire Gary. Gary has a mouth now that he is not benefiting from this. Would he be bitching so much if the Glazers offered him a 100000 pound a week extra to play in the Super League some how I doubt it. His mouth was closed when hs was signing those large contracts thanks to the advert of the Premier League... The Irony...

GazTheLegend · Apr 20, 2021

Stack said:
Its still a working mans game, all you have to do is support and go watch local league football. There is more to football than the top pro leagues.

It's £22 a game to watch shit football. You get fleeced at lower leagues as well. The players in any lower league team are uniformly stupid mercenaries who sign up to 2 year contracts - check the first 11 of any league 2 team after one season and you don't recognize a single name. The greed doesn't stop at the premier League - but admittedly it's probably a knock on effect of the desperation to get the big money in the championship and above.

roonster09 · Apr 20, 2021

GazTheLegend said:
He's right though.

The irony of sky charging £30 a month to listen to Gary fecking Neville rant about fairness for the fans.

It's £22 a ticket for a league one game.

The owners of all clubs - and not just the super League breakaway teams as well - DO NOT CARE about the 'legacy fans' and somehow people are attacking Manchester United or saying the players should do this or that about them. Well, sky, BBC and whoever have half joked about the Glazers ownership, given Abramovich and The Mansours free passes, and allowed self admitted 'cheating' of financial fair play rules (and arguably doping regulations) for years. They are complicit in this shitfest and to somehow pretend they couldn't see this coming when club owners have been speaking about it for years is outrageous to me.

Clubs should be fan owned like in Germany. This is the only way forward from this point. Get that cancer out of the game

He isn't. Neville signing contract has nothing to do with it. Sky didn't increase the ticket prices, Sky didn't create closed competition. Qualification to any competition should be on merit and sporting achievement, that's something this ESL fails to address, so it's not comparable to PL, UEFA.

It's hilarious that people are having a go at players just because they signed multi million contract with the clubs, of course they will. They are the reason why football is/was entertaining, they are the main component of the club.

Next what, fans shouldn't complain too because they are consumers of Amazon products, use Petrol, diesel which fills pockets of rich Sheiks?

roonster09 · Apr 20, 2021

SAred said:
Those are the pundits that I have heard the most from and non more so than Millionaire Gary. Gary has a mouth now that he is not benefiting from this. Would he be bitching so much if the Glazers offered him a 100000 pound a week extra to play in the Super League some how I doubt it. His mouth was closed when hs was signing those large contracts thanks to the advert of the Premier League... The Irony...

Well Milner is paid shit loads of money and he was against this. So who knows what Neville would have said if he was paid extra 100000 pounds.

It didn't stop Bruno to voice his opinion even when he is being paid by the club.

GifLord · Apr 20, 2021

GazTheLegend said:
He's right though.

The irony of sky charging £30 a month to listen to Gary fecking Neville rant about fairness for the fans.

It's £22 a ticket for a league one game.

The owners of all clubs - and not just the super League breakaway teams as well - DO NOT CARE about the 'legacy fans' and somehow people are attacking Manchester United or saying the players should do this or that about them. Well, sky, BBC and whoever have half joked about the Glazers ownership, given Abramovich and The Mansours free passes, and allowed self admitted 'cheating' of financial fair play rules (and arguably doping regulations) for years. They are complicit in this shitfest and to somehow pretend they couldn't see this coming when club owners have been speaking about it for years is outrageous to me.

Clubs should be fan owned like in Germany. This is the only way forward from this point. Get that cancer out of the game

Imagine if the ESL does a UFC style PPV where they charge 50€ per matchday. Is anyone here gonna pay 500€ a year just to watch their favorite team play in ESL?

flappyjay · Apr 20, 2021

GazTheLegend said:
He's right though.

The irony of sky charging £30 a month to listen to Gary fecking Neville rant about fairness for the fans.

It's £22 a ticket for a league one game.

The owners of all clubs - and not just the super League breakaway teams as well - DO NOT CARE about the 'legacy fans' and somehow people are attacking Manchester United or saying the players should do this or that about them. Well, sky, BBC and whoever have half joked about the Glazers ownership, given Abramovich and The Mansours free passes, and allowed self admitted 'cheating' of financial fair play rules (and arguably doping regulations) for years. They are complicit in this shitfest and to somehow pretend they couldn't see this coming when club owners have been speaking about it for years is outrageous to me.

Clubs should be fan owned like in Germany. This is the only way forward from this point. Get that cancer out of the game

Wenger saw it coming 10 years ago. We started hearing more about it 5 years ago. They should have stopped it then. Now all their left with are nuclear options, banishment, blocking players from competitions will not benefit anyone.

SAred · Apr 20, 2021

roonster09 said:
He isn't. Neville signing contract has nothing to do with it. Sky didn't increase the ticket prices, Sky didn't create closed competition. Qualification to any competition should be on merit and sporting achievement, that's something this ESL fails to address, so it's not comparable to PL, UEFA.

It's hilarious that people are having a go at players just because they signed multi million contract with the clubs, of course they will. They are the reason why football is/was entertaining, they are the main component of the club.

Next what, fans shouldn't complain too because they are consumers of Amazon products, use Petrol, diesel which fills pockets of rich Sheiks?

How does a club pay these ever-increasing contracts, the club needs to find the money somewhere, and if a club is dangled a 300 million carrot what are they going to do. when the likes of Loyal players like Pogba want 500000 a week to play the working man's game...

Gringo · Apr 20, 2021

TV money killed the game. Once people saw they could make money, they got greedy and no one put a limitation on it. The game has been dead for yeeeeaaars. Its not sport anymore at the highest level, its corporatism.

roonster09 · Apr 20, 2021

SAred said:
How does a club pay these ever-increasing contracts, the club needs to find the money somewhere, and if a club is dangled a 300 million carrot what are they going to do. when the likes of Loyal players like Pogba want 500000 a week to play the working man's game...

Player contracts are always linked to club revenue. With the growth in revenue, players also took bigger money. If all players are paid 100K, do you think Glazers would reduce the ticket price to say 10 pounds?

And how much was Gary Neville paid when he was at his peak? Going by his book, they barely negotiated the contract. They just signed whatever was offered (which would have been decent money anyways).

So who should get the money from the huge revenue club makes? Players who gave up everything to be the best version of themselves (as a football player) possible or the suits in the directors box?

Stocar · Apr 20, 2021

Pexbo said:
The majority of footballers are from working class backgrounds who have worked hard to get where they are. We need to stop having a go at them as if they are the problem. If the players weren’t compensated accordingly, the owners would just be banking more money.

Some of the owners also come from humble backgrounds. It doesn't matter. When you're part of the big money world, you have no right to pontificate on social matters and take high moral ground.

The whole world of professional football is decadent and corrupt to the core. When someone signs up for it and makes a personal fortune from it, good for them. But they should at least have basic decency to shut up and not pretend to be the voice of "ordinary people".

As far as I'm concerned, that whole money fueled machinery can crumble to pieces and world would be a slightly better place.

roonster09 · Apr 20, 2021

Pexbo said:
The majority of footballers are from working class backgrounds who have worked hard to get where they are. We need to stop having a go at them as if they are the problem. If the players weren’t compensated accordingly, the owners would just be banking more money.

Look at Rashford, it was only about 7/8 years ago he was relying on free school meals to not be hungry. How you can think people like him are the problem (I’m not including his charity work in this) I’ll never know.

Exactly. So people want best league with best players playing in it but they shouldn't sign multi million contracts and should be paid like a 9 to 5 jobs.

To achieve that, they should also sacrifice everything for nearly 30 years to keep them in peak fitness levels.

SAred · Apr 20, 2021

roonster09 said:
Player contracts are always linked to club revenue. With the growth in revenue, players also took bigger money. If all players are paid 100K, do you think Glazers would reduce the ticket price to say 10 pounds?

And how much was Gary Neville paid when he was at his peak? Going by his book, they barely negotiated the contract. They just signed whatever was offered (which would have been decent money anyways).

So who should get the money from the huge revenue club makes? Players who gave up everything to be the best version of themselves (as a football player) possible or the suits in the directors box?

Gary Neville is not a millionaire by just signing any contract, a clubs revenue determines a player's contact a little concerning when a club pays around 50 percent of its revenue on keeping loyal players loyal. Rio who I consider the best Centre Half to play for United since Duncan Edwards refused to sign a massive contact even having the fans turn on him and demanded that he sign what was the best contract in United's history he refused and only signed when the best contact was even better. So please for these players to say what about the fans, well they are actually right when they say that what about fans what about them indeed they cared less unless they were paid very very well to be loyal to the cause oh the irony...

Reapersoul20 · Apr 20, 2021

1. This didnt need another thread.
2. Calling out Gary Neville in particular, who undoubtedly could have gotten more money elsewhere, is a particular demonstration of idiocy (in a post brimming with it).
3. Calling out Roy Keane who, literally, got terminated by the club for an empassioned rant against overpaid players not performing adequately. Do you see why this is really dumb?
4. I could continue but your post is a trainwreck so I'm not going to bother.

roonster09 · Apr 20, 2021

SAred said:
Gary Neville is not a millionaire by just signing any contract, a clubs revenue determines a player's contact a little concerning when a club pays around 50 percent of its revenue on keeping loyal players loyal. Rio who I consider the best Centre Half to play for United since Duncan Edwards refused to sign a massive contact even having the fans turn on him and demanded that he sign what was the best contract in United's history he refused and only signed when the best contact was even better. So please for these players to say what about the fans, well they are actually right when they say that what about fans what about them indeed they cared less unless they were paid very very well to be loyal to the cause oh the irony...

I don't see the point and what it has anything to do with what's happening today.

Yes, club should pay 50% (and even more) to the players, if not players who should be paid with all that revenue?

SAred · Apr 20, 2021

Reapersoul20 said:
1. This didnt need another thread.
2. Calling out Gary Neville in particular, who undoubtedly could have gotten more money elsewhere, is a particular demonstration of idiocy (in a post brimming with it).
3. Calling out Roy Keane who, literally, got terminated by the club for an empassioned rant against overpaid players not performing adequately. Do you see why this is really dumb?
4. I could continue but your post is a trainwreck so I'm not going to bother.

Calling out our Gary I mentioned his name has he has been one of the most vocal on this matter, I'm just simply pointing out the irony of these players saying greed, snakes etc when they did actually the same when it came to renewing contracts.

Roy Keane was right to rant about overpaid players but he to refused to sign a new contract with United unless he was offered what he thought was just a reward.

My post is simply pointing out that the millionaire x-footballers are talking about greed, loyalty, and fan base when in reality not one of this current United would stay loyal to the fan base if they were offered more elsewhere so the irony...

Guy Incognito · Apr 20, 2021

It hasn't been a working man's sport for decades.

Only two weeks ago certain sections of the media were happy at the thought of an agent picking up half a million just so Haaland could come to the PL and they'd continue to write stories.

For years Sky have pushed out this message that in order to be successful you need a sugar daddy and have neglected questioning how said owner came about their wealth. So fans don't care about where they money comes from so long as success is delivered.

This is the culmination of a decades work, perhaps even more. The Super League may not get pushed through in the end but ultimately money talks. And Sky, the media, FA, UEFA, FIFA and PL are all complicit.

SAred · Apr 20, 2021

roonster09 said:
I don't see the point and what it has anything to do with what's happening today.

Yes, club should pay 50% (and even more) to the players, if not players who should be paid with all that revenue?

The clubs need to generate money and if these players were not so greedy then maybe a Europe Super League did not need to service their lust for the good life. Clubs need money to survive, do you actually think Paul would take a wage cut to save United. Oh sorry, I forgot these players are loyal to United, and the fan base of course they would my bad. The Irony.

golden_blunder · Apr 20, 2021

Flawed OP.

Naming Neville as someone who would move for bigger contracts is so wrong. He’s United through and through.
Paul scholes could have moved multiple times. He used to do the contract himself without the use of an agent

golden_blunder · Apr 20, 2021

Players are taking a pay cut at madrid and Barca to help their clubs during covid. I have no doubt United would if asked too

roonster09 · Apr 20, 2021

SAred said:
The clubs need to generate money and if these players were not so greedy then maybe a Europe Super League did not need to service their lust for the good life. Clubs need money to survive, do you actually think Paul would take a wage cut to save United. Oh sorry, I forgot these players are loyal to United, and the fan base of course they would my bad. The Irony.

SAred · Apr 20, 2021

golden_blunder said:
Flawed OP.

Naming Neville as someone who would move for bigger contracts is so wrong. He’s United through and through.
Paul scholes could have moved multiple times. He used to do the contract himself without the use of an agent

Gary Neville is mention as he is the most vocal, Paul Scholes was an exception lets be honest there are more Paul Pogbas than Paul Scholes in the game not only now but 30 years ago. Football is greedy and all in it are benefiting..

Red Stone · Apr 20, 2021

Players' wages are decided by the market. Football is bringing in massive sums of money and so players get paid their share of that money. Is an individual player supposed to take a substantial pay cut compared to literally every other similarly-skilled player in the world, just so he can identify more with the blue collar blokes in the stands? Feck off.

Gary Neville wasn't born into unimaginable privilege. He worked his arse off because he specifically wanted to play for United, and stayed loyal to the club for his entire career and remains a red-blooded fan to this day. If he wants to voice his opinion on the greed of the ESL clubs, he can. This notion that footballers and pundits are too rich to have a valid opinion is fecking dumb. They're voicing exactly the same concerns as the rest of us, so clearly they understand the issues.

Neil_Buchanan · Apr 20, 2021

I think you’re allowing your jealousy towards the rich and successful cloud your opinion on this. Not much logic in the op.

golden_blunder · Apr 20, 2021

SAred said:
Gary Neville is mention as he is the most vocal, Paul Scholes was an exception lets be honest there are more Paul Pogbas than Paul Scholes in the game not only now but 30 years ago. Football is greedy and all in it are benefiting..

I think you mentioned a guy wrongly. Neville stayed his whole career and would have played for less if that’s how things were. There was no bigger champion of United

golden_blunder · Apr 20, 2021

Red Stone said:
Players' wages are decided by the market. Football is bringing in massive sums of money and so players get paid their share of that money. Is an individual player supposed to take a substantial pay cut compared to literally every other similarly-skilled player in the world, just so he can identify more with the blue collar blokes in the stands? Feck off.

Gary Neville wasn't born into unimaginable privilege. He worked his arse off because he specifically wanted to play for United, and stayed loyal to the club for his entire career and remains a red-blooded fan to this day. If he wants to voice his opinion on the greed of the ESL clubs, he can. This notion that footballers and pundits are too rich to have a valid opinion is fecking dumb. They're voicing exactly the same concerns as the rest of us, so clearly they understand the issues.

Agreed

OleBoiii · Apr 20, 2021

Just because football has been "dead" for a while, it doesn't mean that things can't get noticeable worse(and irreversibly so).

roonster09 · Apr 20, 2021

Red Stone said:
Players' wages are decided by the market. Football is bringing in massive sums of money and so players get paid their share of that money. Is an individual player supposed to take a substantial pay cut compared to literally every other similarly-skilled player in the world, just so he can identify more with the blue collar blokes in the stands? Feck off.

Gary Neville wasn't born into unimaginable privilege. He worked his arse off because he specifically wanted to play for United, and stayed loyal to the club for his entire career and remains a red-blooded fan to this day. If he wants to voice his opinion on the greed of the ESL clubs, he can. This notion that footballers and pundits are too rich to have a valid opinion is fecking dumb. They're voicing exactly the same concerns as the rest of us, so clearly they understand the issues.

Spot on.

SAred · Apr 20, 2021

Neil_Buchanan said:
I think you’re allowing your jealousy towards the rich and successful cloud your opinion on this. Not much logic in the op.

I could not care less of how much one earns, all Im simply pointing out is someone like Gary who is bitching about this super league but was so happy signing Premiership style contracts its just the Irony when players wages are going through the roof hell look at today covid restrictions have not stopped Loyal Paul Pogba from demanding 500000 per week ahhh the loyalty just fills my heart with joy.

sullydnl · Apr 20, 2021

Of all the people who should be earning money from football, footballers are at the top of the list.

And given the huge money the football industry makes, it's entirely right that they make huge money. Where better for it to go than the actual talent everyone is turning up or tuning in to see?

Blaming the players for the situation we're in is braindead. Quite ironically for someone complaining about it not being a working man's game, you're taking a cheap shot at the largely working class players who always seem to be the go to target for those who want to whine about football.

SAred · Apr 20, 2021

Red Stone said:
Players' wages are decided by the market. Football is bringing in massive sums of money and so players get paid their share of that money. Is an individual player supposed to take a substantial pay cut compared to literally every other similarly-skilled player in the world, just so he can identify more with the blue collar blokes in the stands? Feck off.

Gary Neville wasn't born into unimaginable privilege. He worked his arse off because he specifically wanted to play for United, and stayed loyal to the club for his entire career and remains a red-blooded fan to this day. If he wants to voice his opinion on the greed of the ESL clubs, he can. This notion that footballers and pundits are too rich to have a valid opinion is fecking dumb. They're voicing exactly the same concerns as the rest of us, so clearly they understand the issues.

They clearly understand the issue, lets see if these 6 club players bitch when the clubs increase their wages thanks to the super league let's see how they clearly understand the issue. Gary can bitch but he is not playing anymore would he bitch if he was benefiting I think not.

SAred · Apr 20, 2021

sullydnl said:
Of all the people who should be earning money from football, footballers are at the top of the list.

And given the huge money the football industry makes, it's entirely right that they make huge money. Where better for it to go than the actual talent everyone is turning up or tuning in to see?

Blaming the players for the situation we're in is braindead. Quite ironically for someone complaining about it not being a working man's game, you're taking a cheap shot at the largely working class players who always seen to be the go to target for those who want to whine about football.

Huge money Football makes, one of the biggest clubs in the world Barcelona are battling to stay afloat thanks to crazy player wages and demands but hell Im sure Messi is doing it for the love of the beautiful game.

Stocar · Apr 20, 2021

Red Stone said:
They're voicing exactly the same concerns as the rest of us, so clearly they understand the issues.

Fair enough, if concerns of most common people interested in football are perceived standards fairness and balance in big money competitions. If that's the case though, these common people are duped and are making fools of themselves.

hubbuh · Apr 20, 2021

SAred said:
Those are the pundits that I have heard the most from and non more so than Millionaire Gary. Gary has a mouth now that he is not benefiting from this. Would he be bitching so much if the Glazers offered him a 100000 pound a week extra to play in the Super League some how I doubt it. His mouth was closed when hs was signing those large contracts thanks to the advert of the Premier League... The Irony...

So Gary should have turned down those contracts and let the owners pocket the difference? Is that what you're saying? People all over the world operating in a multitude of different industries and government positions are being overcompensated for their services, it's not just a problem in football. The solution isn't to attack the ones that are criticising the system, even if they have benefitted from it.

Working Mans game has been dead for decades.

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