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Do you agree with the protest today?
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I don't have one. Realistically, I believe the Glazers are right now the lesser of two evils and that the likely scenario, if these protesters were successful in forcing them out of the club, is that we'd end up in the hands of the Saudis. I'd be curious to know whether that's an outcome the protesters would prefer.
Agree with the sentiment, but the actions of some have undermined any movement towards change.
Off you go then.
101%.
Great fecking job!
Great fecking job!
No they didn't it was their financial troubles which led to forced sale.
That is simply not true.
I said they should have been wearing riot gear to disperse a big crowd, for their own protection. Do you disagree with that?
It’s well known that protests usually violent when they are dispersed. Are you disagreeing with that?
At no point did I say I supported the policeman getting hurt or that it was his fault. So well done for that.
100% agree but I think more needs to be done.
I think there should be protests at more games, but not pitch invasions etc. People need to cancel MUTV subscriptions and not renew season tickets. We also need to get fans to boycott the first 5 games of the season for example.
Let a very clear point be made that fans want the Glazers out. Green and Gold is also an excellent idea - it's very visual, you can't hide it. 70,000 people dressed in green and gold is quite a statement.
I think there should be protests at more games, but not pitch invasions etc. People need to cancel MUTV subscriptions and not renew season tickets. We also need to get fans to boycott the first 5 games of the season for example.
Let a very clear point be made that fans want the Glazers out. Green and Gold is also an excellent idea - it's very visual, you can't hide it. 70,000 people dressed in green and gold is quite a statement.
Ah, so in your theoretical world, the people who have been draining our club, basically letting it rot, are much better than some fantasy owner from Saudi Arabia who might not get approved by the government or the PL.
Sound plan, you definitely showed the average football fan.
This.
The poll is far too broad. There needs to be a delineation between what elements of the protest one supports.
I think that aspect can't be overstated enough. They've been epic today, and have have done as much damage to the Glazers as the fans. Great day!
Hopefully they try to adhere to Maciek’s very specific terms of engagement next time.
Absolutely agree. No major change can be bought about without forceful action. And postponing such a big game will gain coverage and turn heads globally. To all those intellectuals questioning even if it's worth it, It's better to do something rather than preach sitting on your sofa.
Also, have to say, and I never thought I would, but well done Jaime Carragher for not letting that Sky presenter change the public perception by continuously highlighting the couple of idiots who threw flares. Keane and Neville as well spoke very well. And a big feck you to Souness, the deluded old cnut needs to be carted off to an asylum.
Also, have to say, and I never thought I would, but well done Jaime Carragher for not letting that Sky presenter change the public perception by continuously highlighting the couple of idiots who threw flares. Keane and Neville as well spoke very well. And a big feck you to Souness, the deluded old cnut needs to be carted off to an asylum.
Incidentally, I would be even more content with the general protests if I was seeing pressure being placed on the government and politicians for reforms around football ownership as well.
Getting rid of the Glazers is one part of the solution but we would also need measures in place to prevent them selling to someone as bad or worse. Because it's too late to start protesting about terrible new owners once the sale is being finalised.
Getting rid of the Glazers is one part of the solution but we would also need measures in place to prevent them selling to someone as bad or worse. Because it's too late to start protesting about terrible new owners once the sale is being finalised.
How do? Genuine question.
It could be read as if you did, to be fair, apologies.
I think vast majority of supporters, local and worldwide, understand that the Glazers haven't been the best owners and how they took over was not right. Paying off the debt and dividends have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
The recent Super League was a massive statement against UEFA. The narratives of 50+1, destruction of the pyramid system in England, the destruction of the Premier League...there's a lot of media spin and too much misunderstanding that had gone around, which still manifests today.
Making a statement like today via protest is fine, but whether you like it or not, it has negatively impacted the players and game itself.
If this was truly about the Glazers and football ownership, we'd all boycott the club and Premier League while trying to work with the government and sport governing bodies of The FA and Premier League to institute real ownership change.
The recent Super League was a massive statement against UEFA. The narratives of 50+1, destruction of the pyramid system in England, the destruction of the Premier League...there's a lot of media spin and too much misunderstanding that had gone around, which still manifests today.
Making a statement like today via protest is fine, but whether you like it or not, it has negatively impacted the players and game itself.
If this was truly about the Glazers and football ownership, we'd all boycott the club and Premier League while trying to work with the government and sport governing bodies of The FA and Premier League to institute real ownership change.
A protest will accomplish absolutely nothing it public opinion turns on you.
Right now the public is entirely with the fans because of the sheer travesty of it all. That CAN quickly change if the next protest escalates into a violent clash with police. If that happens, everything we're trying to accomplish here will be lost. You'll go from having sympathy to be viewed as violent rabble the moment reports come in that someone has gotten seriously hurt by protestors.
I'll just make it very obvious: STOP TAKING PART IN VIOLENT ACTS YOU ABSOLUTE IMBECILES. - Other than that: carry on. Civil disobedience is the best tool we have in the modern age.
"A police officer suffered a "significant slash wound to his face" and required emergency hospital treatment following protests against the owners of Manchester United at Old Trafford."
Assuming this slash is what I think it is, a person trying to do his job is going to live the rest of his life with a permanent mark because people cant fecking behave themselves because the OWNERS of the sports club we cheer for are scum. Way to sink below their level. feck you.
Right now the public is entirely with the fans because of the sheer travesty of it all. That CAN quickly change if the next protest escalates into a violent clash with police. If that happens, everything we're trying to accomplish here will be lost. You'll go from having sympathy to be viewed as violent rabble the moment reports come in that someone has gotten seriously hurt by protestors.
I'll just make it very obvious: STOP TAKING PART IN VIOLENT ACTS YOU ABSOLUTE IMBECILES. - Other than that: carry on. Civil disobedience is the best tool we have in the modern age.
"A police officer suffered a "significant slash wound to his face" and required emergency hospital treatment following protests against the owners of Manchester United at Old Trafford."
Assuming this slash is what I think it is, a person trying to do his job is going to live the rest of his life with a permanent mark because people cant fecking behave themselves because the OWNERS of the sports club we cheer for are scum. Way to sink below their level. feck you.
As long as they are not in the stadium, it is why g&g failed years ago. Sitting in OT, cheering on the team with your brand new Utd kit and a g&g scarf achieves nothing.
Indeed, we can't have fans that basically pay for the stadium invade the stadium. We have to protect the Glazers' asset. Can we have that option in the poll?
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Don't think invading the stadium, particularly by loads of people running around with bags of cans, was a very bright thing to do. It makes it too easy for the media to focus on that and miss the larger point.
The match being abandoned because a mass of supporters blocking the entrance, rather than because of "safety" following the invasion would've been better.
Don't think invading the stadium, particularly by loads of people running around with bags of cans, was a very bright thing to do. It makes it too easy for the media to focus on that and miss the larger point.
The match being abandoned because a mass of supporters blocking the entrance, rather than because of "safety" following the invasion would've been better.
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100%
A lot of posters here were laughing at the futility of the green and gold protests years ago achieving nothing, THIS is how you hit them where it hurts. More of this (non-violent) protest please. I want the parasites to feel uneasy to the point of finally fecking off.
A lot of posters here were laughing at the futility of the green and gold protests years ago achieving nothing, THIS is how you hit them where it hurts. More of this (non-violent) protest please. I want the parasites to feel uneasy to the point of finally fecking off.
The lads got a rest so I fully support that. And yeah a peaceful protest is respected - my question is will the pitch invaders be banned from old trafford forever?
Feel like they undid their own good work by getting on the pitch and acting like a bunch of fecking idiots. Looked more like people out on the jolly that didn’t give a toss about the club. More interested in a story to tell their mates or a pic for the Instagram.
For all those that did the right thing had a peaceful protest, showed up stayed outside the ground well done, but a small section as per usual overstepping and doing more harm than good.
For all those that did the right thing had a peaceful protest, showed up stayed outside the ground well done, but a small section as per usual overstepping and doing more harm than good.
The roof is leaking, there's been no expansion for 10 years (where other clubs have caught up), the toilets are in a state.
And this is from my limited 'research', as I am no match-going fan. I can let others here explain in more detail.
Absolutely 100% behind the protests. Would've preferred for the fans who made it into the ground to just sit down and sing but, as far as making statements go, today was huge and hopefully the first of many. I don't care how many games are affected if the net result is a change of ownership or change in legislation. Nothing else is going to reign in the parasites who've taken so much from our club and given so little. Getting them out is more important than anything right now.
I'm proud of them for making themselves heard.
I'm proud of them for making themselves heard.
That’s exactly what it is, trespassing.
How is it not?
Not sure what the exact charge is in the UK, but a pitch / court invader in the states gets charged with trespassing, no matter the back story. As a high schooler, I was detained during a visit to FSU after a bunch of us stormed the court after a buzzer beater against Duke. The situation didn’t matter feck all, we all thought we were going to be charged with trespassing. There were about a hundred of us. Luckily we weren’t.
Here's from the most recent Super Bowl...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...wl-field-invader-faces-trespassing-charge.amp
There has to be a plan. If the Glazers are somehow now convinced to sell up, who will buy it? Are there any seriously interested parties that can afford it? Will they load the club up with more debt in order to do so? Will they come from a questionable background?
Too many unanswered questions, and no guarantees that the club will be in a better position afterwards. I'd feel better about what happened today if we had someone who had already publicly stated their desire to buy the club and their intentions, but we don't.
Too many unanswered questions, and no guarantees that the club will be in a better position afterwards. I'd feel better about what happened today if we had someone who had already publicly stated their desire to buy the club and their intentions, but we don't.
Pointless, as long as we are still buying the merch. Glazers do not care what goes on as long as the cash keeps rolling in. All the protests in the world won’t do anything. And with the illegal activity the sponsors won’t back the protesters if that’s the plan. Not that they will anyway, as there’s always someone else waiting to buy a ticket, a shirt or a key ring.
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Yes - agree; wtf is Souness on about?
So, wearing a helmet would have absolved the idiot who struck the cop of any blame? A protection device would have made the assault legal when that cop was trying to get that nutter out of the stadium?
Somebody set a flare off in his general direction and he shat himself.
You're looking at it purely from a legal perspective. Legally you are correct.
What you're failing to appreciate is that the club is nothing without the fans. There would be no Manchester United without the precious fans.
What red blooded fans see is that they were walking onto the pitch of THEIR CLUB!
Disrupting the game, the glazers, protests outside the hotel yes, bellends in the stadium throwing tv camera's and people attacking the police no and i hope they get banned for life.
But such things need mass organistion. I personally haven't given the Glazers any money for years. I stopped going to games. I later stopped my sky subscription as well. Many of us did after the take over. But not enough. Events like today are essential to build enough momentum for the other avenues to be effective. This isn't the end of the action, it's just another step in the right direction.
yep, if that’s what it took. i think they’d jump
ship long before then.