You blamed Woodward for the squad that wasted points against Istanbul. A squad which was good enough to overcome PSG.
Seems like you're avoiding criticizing Ole for that Istanbul performance.
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Seems like you're avoiding criticizing Ole for that Istanbul performance.
It's going to be a lot harder than this season, that's all I'm saying.
Even if cavani leaves ? You won't challenge with just martial again.
It's annoying how chelsea sack thier manager every season yet seem to win trophies along the way or atleast compete. For any manager to come in that environment they know they need to hit the ground running or they are out. Somehow breeds success.
The main difference with us and chelsea is simply the recruitment and those overseeing it. Chelsea buy and sell very well and have been doing for ages. As for Tuchel, he's doing well at the moment but what's the odds he'll be gone next season. So the cycle goes on.
The main difference with us and chelsea is simply the recruitment and those overseeing it. Chelsea buy and sell very well and have been doing for ages. As for Tuchel, he's doing well at the moment but what's the odds he'll be gone next season. So the cycle goes on.
TIME FOR THE REVENGE 
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I would presume Cavani is staying.
I think so. City have a better squad, Liverpool have a better first team and Chelsea's team are about as good as us. City, Liverpool and City all have better managers and they've all won titles more recently than us.
I'd be amazed if we're within the winners by 10 ponts by the end of it.
Tuchel been unbelievable since he arrived at the Chavs. It's easier to break into Fort Knox than getting past their defence. Without doubt the two best teams in this years CL final. Now that hurt saying that.
18th clean sheet for Chelsea under him.
The new old catenaccio style is still successful!
The new old catenaccio style is still successful!
They finished 3 places below.
Every defeat is because of Woodward. Every victory is because of OGS and the players.
We've had one more 0:0 draw than Chelsea this season.
Man Utd (8): Chelsea (h), Man City (h), Liverpool (a), Arsenal (a), Real Sociedad (h), Chelsea (a), Crystal Palace (a), Leeds Utd (a)
Chelsea (7): Sevilla (h), Man Utd (a), Spurs (h), Wolves (h), Man Utd (h), Leeds Utd (a), Brighton (h)
Thanks Einstein but I'll use my own eyes if you don't mind and I just don't like the football they play. I find it boring.
What I don't get is people trying to persuade me which football is better to watch when I just tell what I think and not a truth. I am not pretending my taste is the right one, it is just my feeling, and then some people jump with all their stats to prove me something which is just about personal tast.
As if everyone should be a fan of prime Barca or city. I prefer fast, direct football, it is more exciting to my eyes. You can feel otherwise but you can't change my mind.
If so, that's a complete failure of a season.
At some point, we need to actually challenge for the big trophies.
Only thing I disagree with here is I think Chavs better than us.
Pogba gone and shambles of a transfer window? I mean, it wouldn't be a first time.
Pogba's not going anywhere.
We'll likely have a decent window.
It's season 3. We need to start challenging next season.
Has them playing how plenty of us were fearing they would when they went full FM in the summer window. Tuchel is clearly a very good manager, but Lampard very quickly made everyone forget how absolutely packed with talent that squad is now. I don't think he's exactly working miracles.
I think you'd love this brand of football if it was played by United, Einstein. My point wasn't that it is objectively more beautiful, it was that you are cringeworthy biased.
Nah, I was just answering your simplified question about who was responsible for Istanbul. Seems like you're trying to defend Woodward to take a shot at Ole, which is really odd. If not then I have no idea where you're going with this.
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Why do you hold Woodward responsible for the Istanbul performance?
I already wrote it in the match day thread, but here again: I'm really, really happy for him.
I was always a big fan of him and thought that his reputation of having a questionable and unlikable character was undeserved (mainly thanks to Watzke and Zorc).
He was impressive at Mainz, he was very impressive at Dortmund and he was impressive at PSG where he formed a good team out of brilliant individuals.
Yet he didn't get enough credit for it. I was quite baffled by many comments on here when Chelsea appointed him.
But it only took him weeks to transform a laughable defense into a very stable team with loads of self confidence.
They are a completely different team than under Lampard. Brilliant performance by Tuchel and I'm glad he seems to get more credit for it.
I was always a big fan of him and thought that his reputation of having a questionable and unlikable character was undeserved (mainly thanks to Watzke and Zorc).
He was impressive at Mainz, he was very impressive at Dortmund and he was impressive at PSG where he formed a good team out of brilliant individuals.
Yet he didn't get enough credit for it. I was quite baffled by many comments on here when Chelsea appointed him.
But it only took him weeks to transform a laughable defense into a very stable team with loads of self confidence.
They are a completely different team than under Lampard. Brilliant performance by Tuchel and I'm glad he seems to get more credit for it.
Hopefully, the Thiago Silva-Tuchel is the unlucky version of the Beckenbauer-Schwarzenbeck pairing, but this will change hopefully.
Because the problems with this club go beyond the manager. Why is Woodward untouchable for you?
I'll take mine with no sugar, thanks.
I will believe it when I see it. The last window wasn't good at all and we were very lucky with Cavani still being able to produce at a very high level.
If there is a proper backing, then yeah I agree, zero excuse for not challenging.
Utd are currently 2nd in the PL table. This is a good team. It overcame PSG and beat Leipzig at home 5-0.
I disagree with holding Woodward responsible for what should have been a routine performance in Istanbul.
Man Utd have literally scored more goals than Chelsea. Just accept it.
Do you think it was harsh to get rid of Woodward, and that we could be challenging for the title and CL if we'd just replaced Ole with Tuchel?
You know what people think now ? Never seen as boring games as against Porto, Atletico and Madrid.
And no, United was always about fast, direct football since the Busby babes, there is an etho and a philosophy about the club, like for Ajax and Barca. And I won't want us to change that, I love football because of that.
I am biased sure, as every supporter toward his club. But I can admit city is playing good football, I just don't think the same about Chelsea, and it was the same when Tuchel was at Paris. He may be a brillant coach and tactician but I don't particulary like his football.
By the way, if you did not see I became "cringeworthy" when people try to convince me with some facts as draws and XG...
This is all irrelevant to what we're arguing. Woodward is not to blame for what should have been a routine performance in Istanbul where instead the team lost. That's where I disagree with you.
Why is that lucky?
Ugh, a Chelsea - City final is thoroughly depressing. At least Perez will be crying into his paella. Congrats Chelsea, plz beat City.
Player for player, surely our defence is better than Chelsea's? Tuchel has quickly transformed them into a really well drilled side. They'll be a problem next season, assuming he gets the transfers he wants (whatever they may be).
Player for player, surely our defence is better than Chelsea's? Tuchel has quickly transformed them into a really well drilled side. They'll be a problem next season, assuming he gets the transfers he wants (whatever they may be).
But why choose one game to argue about when the point was about squad building and how the club is run?
He won't, he'll use all the stats to prove you Tuchel is the best thing since sliced bred, he accuse me being biased but he is just a german defending a german
Mate is this a joke? Atleti have made hay in the CL by playing absolutely dire football under Simeone; cannot for the life of me comprehend thinking that was the most boring CL tie involving Atleti considering we comprehensively played them off the park.
Porto I'll grant you but that was a weird tie given both legs were at a neutral site so away goals were of outsize importance. Certainly not a performance to write home about but again we were comfortably better.
I cannot understand how you thought these matches against Madrid were boring; there were chances galore and Madrid were only properly killed off with 5 minutes left in the second leg. How can that possibly be considered boring? We had 3.6 xG today for goodness' sake!
Player for player, surely Chelsea's defense is better than yours.