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This seasons final very well represents the football landscape right now. Two clubs bankrolled by sugar daddies in the final. It's all about £.
 

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Has them playing how plenty of us were fearing they would when they went full FM in the summer window. Tuchel is clearly a very good manager, but Lampard very quickly made everyone forget how absolutely packed with talent that squad is now. I don't think he's exactly working miracles.
Is their squad any better than ours?
 

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Ugh, a Chelsea - City final is thoroughly depressing. At least Perez will be crying into his paella. Congrats Chelsea, plz beat City.

Player for player, surely our defence is better than Chelsea's? Tuchel has quickly transformed them into a really well drilled side. They'll be a problem next season, assuming he gets the transfers he wants (whatever they may be).
You never knows what you get with Tuchel. He falled out fast with every club he has been at. PSG went from champions league finalists to a sh*t show in no time ! And nobody is lasting long at Chelsea.
 

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But why choose one game to argue about when the point was about squad building and how the club is run?
I asked what did Woodward specifically do that made United lose points against Basaksehir. You said he hamstrung the squad for years. I disagree that that performance against Basaksehir is something to blame Woodward for when this same squad did very well against PSG and thrashed Leipzig 5-0 at home.
 

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Pogba's not going anywhere.

We'll likely have a decent window.

It's season 3. We need to start challenging next season.
Do you think Ole got what it takes ? He's improved us no question but I still have serious doubts he can take us to that next level. Plus we still need a few signing in transfer window.
 

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I already wrote it in the match day thread, but here again: I'm really, really happy for him.

I was always a big fan of him and thought that his reputation of having a questionable and unlikable character was undeserved (mainly thanks to Watzke and Zorc).

He was impressive at Mainz, he was very impressive at Dortmund and he was impressive at PSG where he formed a good team out of brilliant individuals.

Yet he didn't get enough credit for it. I was quite baffled by many comments on here when Chelsea appointed him.
But it only took him weeks to transform a laughable defense into a very stable team with loads of self confidence.

They are a completely different team than under Lampard. Brilliant performance by Tuchel and I'm glad he seems to get more credit for it.
I really like him for several reasons: very creative coach from a tactical standpoint, interesting personality, etc.

As you know, there are some reasons that made PSG sack him despite the fact he reached the Champions Final some months ago.
You never knows what you get with Tuchel. He falled out fast with every club he has been at. PSG went from champions league finalists to a sh*t show in no time ! And nobody is lasting long at Chelsea.
The case of Roberto Di Matteo is pretty unique in this regard
 

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If so, that's a complete failure of a season.

At some point, we need to actually challenge for the big trophies.
I agree but I don't think we have the squad or manager to pull ahead of the other 3 unless they have a drop off and injuries (Liverpool this year) or a bad manager (Chelsea this year).

Only thing I disagree with here is I think Chavs better than us.
Possibly. They haven't had Tuchel for a full season though so I guess we'll see next year how good they are. Chelsea often do well in the Cup after the first manager gets sacked (Di Matteo).
 

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Is their squad any better than ours?
I think the defences and forwards are very similar quality-wise and I'd have their midfield over ours all day. So yeah, I think their squad probably is a little better than ours on balance.
 

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I asked what did Woodward specifically do that made United lose points against Basaksehir. You said he hamstrung the squad for years. I disagree that that performance against Basaksehir is something to blame Woodward for when this same squad did very well against PSG and thrashed Leipzig 5-0 at home.
You asked why were the Glazers responsible for us losing that one game, which makes zero sense
 

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He won't, he'll use all the stats to prove you Tuchel is the best thing since sliced bred, he accuse me being biased but he is just a german defending a german :lol:
He's a weird one. He usually oscillates between being stuck in Pep Guardiola's asshole and thinking everything in the Bundesliga / German is better than anything else.
 

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Mate is this a joke? Atleti have made hay in the CL by playing absolutely dire football under Simeone; cannot for the life of me comprehend thinking that was the most boring CL tie involving Atleti considering we comprehensively played them off the park.

Porto I'll grant you but that was a weird tie given both legs were at a neutral site so away goals were of outsize importance. Certainly not a performance to write home about but again we were comfortably better.

I cannot understand how you thought these matches against Madrid were boring; there were chances galore and Madrid were only properly killed off with 5 minutes left in the second leg. How can that possibly be considered boring? We had 3.6 xG today for goodness' sake!
That was bad finishing from you, fair enough I conced you that, if you had someone who could finish it would have been a massacre but this Madrid side is all over the place, they could not even run !
I get that is was a good match for you but for a neutral not so much. Bayern-PSG was an excinting match, this one not so much !

Good luck for the final, I hope you win it !
 

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I think their defense edges it, but their midfield is where it's clear. Jorginho and Kante are interception machines, with endless cardio.
Hmm. Apart from Kante, who's fantastic of course, I would consider the midfield Chelsea's weak area. Neither Jorginho nor Kovacic are anything special, even if admittedly Jorginho has been very good recently.
 

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Do you think Ole got what it takes ? He's improved us no question but I still have serious doubts he can take us to that next level. Plus we still need a few signing in transfer window.
Personally I don't, but for the people that think he has what it takes, there's no excuse why he can't challenge next season.
 

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Player for player, surely Chelsea's defense is better than yours.
I'm not sure about that at all.

Henderson/De Gea vs Mendy - evens? Mendy appears to have had a really good CL campaign, so that might edge it their way slightly. Neither option stands out
Shaw vs Chilwell - easy peasy
Maguire vs Thiago Silva
Lindelof vs Rudiger
AWB
vs Reece James - Reece James seems full of potential, but surely AWB takes this one?

I dunno, maybe I've been bias here. That's genuinely how I see it, though.
 

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Why is that lucky?
Really?

No big club wanted to sign him, even we didn't believe he would be this good because we would give him straight 2 year contract and not have fears will he stay or not like we have atm.
He had injury problems in his last season with PSG and with him getting older and coming in EPL the odds weren't looking great.

If you thought he will look this good, congrats, you were more optimistic then pretty much every big club outthere.
 

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You asked why were the Glazers responsible for us losing that one game, which makes zero sense
No, I asked what did the Glazers do that prevented Utd from reaching the CL final as you blamed our owners. You then mentioned they kept Woodward in charge.

Whatever the Glazers are to blame for since they took over, not qualifying from the group this year is not on them.
 

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You know what people think now ? Never seen as boring games as against Porto, Atletico and Madrid.
And no, United was always about fast, direct football since the Busby babes, there is an etho and a philosophy about the club, like for Ajax and Barca. And I won't want us to change that, I love football because of that.

I am biased sure, as every supporter toward his club. But I can admit city is playing good football, I just don't think the same about Chelsea, and it was the same when Tuchel was at Paris. He may be a brillant coach and tactician but I don't particulary like his football.

By the way, if you did not see I became "cringeworthy" when people try to convince me with some facts as draws and XG...
That's stretching it quite far but whatever.
 

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Yet another thread that turns into an Ole debate because the 'Ole out' people simply can't praise another manager without getting a dig in. Tiring stuff. Hopefully we get a good basis for comparison when Ole and Tuchel face each other in the super cup.

Anyway, I'm glad Tuchel won, they have a better shot vs City. He is clearly a good manager as he is using what he has to great effect. 5 at the back with 2 midfielders in front with the pacey attackers to run the channels is a good base. His next challenge will be to turn some of their draws to wins which he probably will after getting his desired forward in the window. I just hope United do the same and then we can stop the City-Liverpool league dominance of the last few years.
 

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I'm not sure about that at all.

Henderson/De Gea vs Mendy - evens? Mendy appears to have had a really good CL campaign, so that might edge it their way slightly. Neither option stands out
Shaw vs Chilwell - easy peasy
Maguire vs Thiago Silva
Lindelof vs Rudiger
AWB
vs Reece James - Reece James seems full of potential, but surely AWB takes this one?

I dunno, maybe I've been bias here. That's genuinely how I see it, though.
No need to discuss any further as you actually have Maguire over fecking Thiago Silva.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
 

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That was bad finishing from you, fair enough I conced you that, if you had someone who could finish it would have been a massacre but this Madrid side is all over the place, they could not even run !
I get that is was a good match for you but for a neutral not so much. Bayern-PSG was an excinting match, this one not so much !

Good luck for the final, I hope you win it !
Cheers mate! Wasn't trying to have a go or anything; appreciate everyone is entitled to their point of view! Just feel like we've been held back in terms of goalscoring by our finishing but by and large the system Tuchel has put in place has done more than enough to create chances.
 

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Personally I don't, but for the people that think he has what it takes, there's no excuse why he can't challenge next season.
It all depends of the transfer window ! Hope we have a good one as we did not buy for the first team this year. Only a free and aggeing player. Compare that to the Chelsea and city window ! Ole did a good job by improving the young players he has. He may not be SAF but he is the best since he retired and I would like him to get a proper chance to win with us.
 

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I think their defense edges it, but their midfield is where it's clear. Jorginho and Kante are interception machines, with endless cardio.
We are streets ahead going forward. Bruno, Rashford, Greenwood, Pogba and Cavani is surely better than anything they can put out. They do have better options in CM, though.
 

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I'm not sure about that at all.

Henderson/De Gea vs Mendy - evens? Mendy appears to have had a really good CL campaign, so that might edge it their way slightly. Neither option stands out
Shaw vs Chilwell - easy peasy
Maguire vs Thiago Silva
Lindelof vs Rudiger
AWB
vs Reece James - Reece James seems full of potential, but surely AWB takes this one?

I dunno, maybe I've been bias here. That's genuinely how I see it, though.
Chelsea play a five though, so you'd want James or Azpilicueta as a wing back over AWB and you'd have Silva as the third CB. I think they're about even.
 

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It's not that surprising tbh. Tuchel has shown himself to be a top class manager at a number of clubs, the issues are that he falls out with clubs higher ups.
 

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No need to discuss any further as you actually have Maguire over fecking Thiago Silva.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Er, ok then. From what I've heard Thiago Silva has had a decent season, nothing special. Surprised that illicited such an extreme reaction to be honest.
 

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He's a weird one. He usually oscillates between being stuck in Pep Guardiola's asshole and thinking everything in the Bundesliga / German is better than anything else.
He supports a small loser club. I mean who the hell gets beaten at home 0-5 by David Moyes?
To make up for it he has decided to worship Pep and ex Bundesliga managers at bigger clubs and will come up with every excuse under the sun to defend them and talk them up.
 

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Chelsea play a five though, so you'd want James or Azpilicueta as a wing back over AWB and you'd have Silva as the third CB. I think they're about even.
That's true. It affords them an extra element of defensive stability. Even is about fair.
 

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Er, ok then. From what I've heard Thiago Silva has had a decent season, nothing special. Surprised that illicited such an extreme reaction to be honest.
I don't think it's an extreme reaction. Thiago Silva. Harry Maguire.

I will behave so I deleted that laughing smiley.
 

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It’s not just about players. It’s also about coaching. Tuchel clearly can coach. Germans are methodical problem solvers by nature, they tend to make good football managers.
 

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Er, ok then. From what I've heard Thiago Silva has had a decent season, nothing special. Surprised that illicited such an extreme reaction to be honest.
Both are probably about level defensively - Maguire is better in the air, Silva is better at reading the game and making interceptions proactively (at least in my opinion; not sure what the stats say). The difference though is in their distribution - Silva is probably the best passing CB in the world and he offers so much more value in possession than Maguire does; think he has to shade it at the moment.
 

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Both are probably about level defensively - Maguire is better in the air, Silva is better at reading the game and making interceptions proactively (at least in my opinion; not sure what the stats say). The difference though is in their distribution - Silva is probably the best passing CB in the world and he offers so much more value in possession than Maguire does; think he has to shade it at the moment.
Silva is on another planet to Maguire as a player. Maguire is just mediocre all around.
 

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Maybe a touch. Harry Maguire over Thiago Silva. :lol:
Just to add to this that I rate Maguire and I think he gets too much unfair criticism here. But he aint better than Thiago Silva.
 

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It's not that surprising tbh. Tuchel has shown himself to be a top class manager at a number of clubs, the issues are that he falls out with clubs higher ups.
I actually think this is slightly overstated, in the way that people act like he's crazy or something. From my understanding this is what happened..

Dortmund - Fell out with Watzke over the bus bombing incident. Watzke came out and publicly announced that they would play the next day and that everyone agreed to it. Tuchel then came out and said something contradictory which made him look like a fool.

PSG - He criticzed the club's culture and said something like he feels more like a politician than a manager. Boom, the owners decided to tap up Poch and fecked him off just like that.

He speaks his mind but he doesn't sound like a troublemaker or mentalist at all...