Man Utd updated schedule - 4 games in 8 days | Roma, Villa, Leicester, Liverpool

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Nobody says that. I don't live in Manchester and if Ireland wasn't in lockdown I'd be over protesting at every home game. What people are saying, is that if you're criticising local fans for protesting what's happening to their local club because:

a) you're upset that some people broke onto the pitch,
b) a game you wanted to watch got postponed,
c) fixtures got a bit congested,
d) they risked getting some points deducted,
or;
e) they risked upsetting some sponsors and hypothetically our ability to make more money than other clubs,

then, don't get upset if some of us lose respect for you.

Nobody is criticising anyone for speaking out against violence against police officers or anyone else. Show me someone who is and I'll show you an idiot. Some people are explaining that a couple of idiots going too far is inevitable at any such event and that minority shouldn't be used to quash legitimate protest, but that is a very different thing.
Why should fans who have an opposing view have to put up with those points? Have you actually considered that some of us support the non-violent protest against SL but are very wary about any possible new owner? Why anyone in their right mind would want to cause harm to the club is beyond me, I find that very disrespectful of the millions of fans of United.
 

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Exactly, when he's having a dig at fans living hundreds of miles away.
Thats not what I meant it was just a turn of phrase which I didnt give a second thought to.

Ive lived in London for 15 years myself ffs.
 

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Taking the red tinted glasses off for a bit, this was the only thing they could do. You can imagine other clubs would be moaning if they had to change their dates to accommodate Utd, when they had nothing to do with the postponement. I also think if we have gotten away without a fine and/or points deduction, we have been very fortunate. If we win on the tuesday we have finished top 4 anyway.
 

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So you'd rather finish 2nd which means nothing whatsover than try get the Glazers out?

Good one. Yeah let's continue to support these blood sucking parasites. 1.5bn lost now to dividends and bank interest payments since 2005. 1.5 billion.

Awesome..
How much better are our new owners going to be? Please answer this so we know that the Glazers out protest is the correct course of action If you can guarantee that they will be better, I'm right behind you.
 

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The most important game there is Villa imo. Lose that and we go against two teams who still have positions to play for which might be a bit uncomfortable.

I highly doubt this will be much of an issue though given the size of the squad and the fitness of the players. The EL final is 99% secured and one more win almost guarantees top 4. The last two games of the season are also pretty easy.
 

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We should alternate two sets of teams. The B team can get us through Roma, and we can roll the dice a few days later against Leicester with that same team. At least each team gets adequate rest between matches, and I'd fancy that A team to seal the CL spot between the Villa and Liverpool fixtures.

A team:

--------------------Henderson-------------------
WB-------Lindelof----Maguire----Shaw
--------------------Mctominay--------------
-----------Fernandes----Pogba---------
Greenwood------Cavani------Rashford

B team:

----------------------De Gea----------------------
Williams---Bailly---Tuanzebe---Telles
---------------------Matic--------------------
---------Van de Beek---Fred---------
Amad--------Greendwood----James
 

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Come on, people, we have enough points we really don't have to worry about anything, especially because we can rest some players tomorrow and we will beat Villa which will be the end of the story
 

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This is just sad. You lot are terrible. Lost complete touch with what football and supporting a team is about. All you’re thinking about is your end goal of getting back to being a glory hunter masquerading as a top red. Disgusting.
Totally agree, hey've lost the plot, the lot of them. How in God's name can any supporter truly wish harm on the club they purport to support, it's beyond ridiculous.
 

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How much better are our new owners going to be? Please answer this so we know that the Glazers out protest is the correct course of action If you can guarantee that they will be better, I'm right behind you.
Liverpool's new owners aren't perfect but they aren't H&G.

Are you actually aware of how much money we have lost under them?

1.5bn has left this club through non football reasons. Most of it to service the debt in interest payments.

And the debt is still over 400m. So guess what....the payments won't stop
.
How much worse could we get? They are the worst owners in the league bar maybe Ashley.
 

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Totally agree, hey've lost the plot, the lot of them. How in God's name can any supporter truly wish harm on the club they purport to support, it's beyond ridiculous.
We see the bigger picture.

Your way keeps Glazers in and keeps the money going to the banks and to the Glazers.

You're so short sighted. The Glazers don't care if we win the league or the CL. They just want us in the top 4 and group stages of the CL. That's why they wanted the super league. Winning means nothing. Guaranteed income means more.

Go get a clue them come back.
 

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Liverpool's new owners aren't perfect but they aren't H&G.

Are you actually aware of how much money we have lost under them?

1.5bn has left this club through non football reasons. Most of it to service the debt in interest payments.

And the debt is still over 400m. So guess what....the payments won't stop
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How much worse could we get? They are the worst owners in the league bar maybe Ashley.
No they're not, nowhere near.
 

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  • 06-05-21 Roma
  • 09-05-21 Aston Villa
  • 11-05-21 Leicester
  • 13-05-21 Liverpool
  • 18-05-21 Fulham
  • 23-05-21 Wolverhampton Wanderers
  • 26-05-21 Possible Europa Final

Play the reserves vs Roma, Leicester and Wolves and play a proper side vs Villa and Liverpool (and Fulham, if necessary). Not ideal, but should be alright.
 

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We see the bigger picture.

Your way keeps Glazers in and keeps the money going to the banks and to the Glazers.

You're so short sighted. The Glazers don't care if we win the league or the CL. They just want us in the top 4 and group stages of the CL. That's why they wanted the super league. Winning means nothing. Guaranteed income means more.

Go get a clue them come back.
What bigger picture? Destroy/harm the club to remove owners but with no guarantee their replacement(s) will be any better, probably turn out to be even worse.
 

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Love when i see glory hunter term, after all these years, you cant make that shit up.
 

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These are the two teams we should play. The first again Villa and Liverpool, the second against Roma and Leicester.

Henderson
Wan-Bissaka Lindelof Maguire Shaw
Fred McTominay
James Fernandes Rashford
Cavani

De Gea
Tuanzebe Bailly Maguire Telles
Matic Pogba
Diallo Van de Beek Greenwood
Martial

You can move some of those players around and it may be too early for some like Martial, particularly against Roma, but we need to utilise our squad including our promising youngsters like Shoretire, Diallo, Hannibal, etc.
 

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We should alternate two sets of teams. The B team can get us through Roma, and we can roll the dice a few days later against Leicester with that same team. At least each team gets adequate rest between matches, and I'd fancy that A team to seal the CL spot between the Villa and Liverpool fixtures.

A team:

--------------------Henderson-------------------
WB-------Lindelof----Maguire----Shaw
--------------------Mctominay--------------
-----------Fernandes----Pogba---------
Greenwood------Cavani------Rashford

B team:

----------------------De Gea----------------------
Williams---Bailly---Tuanzebe---Telles
---------------------Matic--------------------
---------Van de Beek---Fred---------
Amad--------Greendwood----James
The good ol' weekend/mid-week team set up in FM, where certain teammates could go the whole season without ever setting foot on the pitch together.
 

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The good ol' weekend/mid-week team set up in FM, where certain teammates could go the whole season without ever setting foot on the pitch together.
Then you ended up with your head utterly fecked as your B team was playing better than your first team until you tried switching a couple of them over.
 

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Why not? All it takes is bit of self control.
Honestly... Because most police officers are aggressive arse holes who only respect force. I'm not sure what happened but I am pretty certain the police likely got violent first.
 

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If Chelsea win the CL and Arsenal win the EL and neither finish in the top 4 (Arsenal won't, Chelsea have a tough run in), 4th doesn't go to the CL
If we finish 4th and Chelsea don’t finish top 4 who is finishing 3rd? West Ham? We’d have to take less than three points from 5 games for that to happen and they need to win all of them...
 

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Then you ended up with your head utterly fecked as your B team was playing better than your first team until you tried switching a couple of them over.
Never do that. They're playing 'better' because as caf wisdom points out, they're playing midweek cup games against weaker opposition.

Seriously though, I like the look of those two teams that talking robot posted. Those should get us through this insane patch relatively unscathed.

I remember the summer we signed Veron and Ruud there were newspaper articles saying they were for the mid-week CL team and we’d have a different PL team on the weekend :lol:
Looks like those weren't written by football journalists. They were time-traveling FM players from the future.

Thanks for posting that; I had no idea that happened and got a laugh out of it.
 

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Entering the stadium was stupid, there are no two ways about it.

That ultimately led to postponing the game which is harming the team and the players right now.
 

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It will be good if West Ham can sneak into that 4th place position before Chelsea’s final against city, then Chelsea will have to give it everything to be in champions league next season.
 

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None of the latter fixtures was set in stone, Premier league could easily have moved them around especially for the TV schedule

BTW would be no fans in Old Trafford last Sunday delaying that match if United had competent owners.
Not set in stone isn't the point. Of course everyone has the capacity to roll with a schedule change. Messing up the training and logistics plans of other teams, however, would be grossly unfair. And whether Manchester United has competent owners is an internal matter. As far as a league competition manager should be concerned, a club disrupted its own home game due to unrest and that's that as far as rescheduling priorities go.
 

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So 6 games in the 20 days before the Arsenal game (assuming we don’t spectacularly blow the game tomorrow of course) - that is crazy, but TBF looking at their fixtures Arsenal have 5 in that time.

We have a much harder last game of the season than them, but hopefully we’ll have top four secure by then, though that is less likely given the demands on the players by the extra game.

Still so much football for the players in such a time-frame given the season they’ve had already :(
 

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Wow only just seen this

Tomorrow/Thursday - Roma
Friday
Saturday
Sunday - Villa
Monday
Tuesday - Leicester
Wednesday
Thursday - Liverpool

Not a chance that ever presences like Shaw and Bruno can start all of them games, gonna need the likes of Telles and VDB to really step up
 

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Ole and Klopp should have a gentleman's agreement to just play the U23s for the game (hoping Liverpool are mathematically out of the Top 4 race by then).
 

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Not set in stone isn't the point. Of course everyone has the capacity to roll with a schedule change. Messing up the training and logistics plans of other teams, however, would be grossly unfair. And whether Manchester United has competent owners is an internal matter. As far as a league competition manager should be concerned, a club disrupted its own home game due to unrest and that's that as far as rescheduling priorities go.
Bringing one game forward a few days wouldn't overly mess up training for West Brom and Liverpool. All I see as unfair is the scheduling United have in front of them now.

You also have to take into account that the police seemed unprepared by the crowd that turned up to Old Trafford on Sunday even though it was well flagged in advance.

Was the official line given yet as to why that match wasn't played at 7 or 8pm that evening? By then things was very much under control and I'm sure both Liverpool and United players would have preferred the delayed kick off time than calling it off.
 

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Bringing one game forward a few days wouldn't overly mess up training for West Brom and Liverpool. All I see as unfair is the scheduling United have in front of them now.

You also have to take into account that the police seemed unprepared by the crowd that turned up to Old Trafford on Sunday even though it was well flagged in advance.

Was the official line given yet as to why that match wasn't played at 7 or 8pm that evening? By then things was very much under control and I'm sure both Liverpool and United players would have preferred the delayed kick off time than calling it off.
Why should other teams be inconvenienced when it was our fans who got the game cancelled?
 

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Why should other teams be inconvenienced when it was our fans who got the game cancelled?
Firstly fans that was there because of the owners actions which was escalated from the super league plan lately and such plans included Liverpools involvement.

Secondly Its up to the Premier league officials and the FA to arrange their fixtures in suitable manner. Fixing Three games in five days gave no regards towards player welfare.
 

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Firstly fans that was there because of the owners actions which was escalated from the super league plan lately and such plans included Liverpools involvement.

Secondly Its up to the Premier league officials and the FA to arrange their fixtures in suitable manner. Fixing Three games in five days gave no regards towards player welfare.
It's only our own fault, nobody else should be inconvenienced.
 

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Entering the stadium was stupid, there are no two ways about it.

That ultimately led to postponing the game which is harming the team and the players right now.
It's unfortunate but it had to happen. Green and Gold scarves aren't going to cut the mustard. Serious, disruptive action is needed to spark meaningful dialogue and change. Nothing worth doing is ever easy.

There's a lot of United fans that need to see the bigger picture, here. Well done to @diarm and @Nou_Camp99 (and others) for having the patience to explain how important this is. I'll likely be at Old Trafford this Sunday for another round of protests.