Very good coach but lacks a bit of personality and charisma, for me. Anyway, I think Chelsea will beat City this saturday and then the CL final will be very, very tight.
Chelsea appoint Thomas Tuchel
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Done a great job. They have a very good squad and are very boring to watch but he could well fix that. The media are all over them it is hard to take. I don't really think he can maintain this kind of pace obviously , but given how good their squad is and that they could improve in summer they should be and will be hard to finish ahead of next year
If City beat Chelsea this Saturday they will be a PL champions officially so i expect them to have a go at Chelsea with a full strength,not like that FA Cup semifinal they lost. Lets see..
Annoys me this, I'm 39 years of age and in at least all but about 15 years of my life United have competed in the Champions league every season. Four finals during that time and only when were top of the pile!!
How do Liverpool and Chelsea qualify for these finals with bog standard squads?
Before anyone says we did in 2011 we were still Champions of England at that point and we had a wealth of experience of qualifying for finals.
How do Liverpool and Chelsea qualify for these finals with bog standard squads?
Before anyone says we did in 2011 we were still Champions of England at that point and we had a wealth of experience of qualifying for finals.
And spending more crazy?
They will make it very difficult for City. Definitely a team that can outplay anyone on their day.
Watching Chelsea under Lampard and now Tuchel and difference is night and day.
Under Lampard they've seemed disjointed at times, but with Tuchel they are organised all over the pitch- from back line, through midfield to attack, every player has clear idea what to do, how to do it and when.
They play as a team, and execute game plan to perfection no matter of opponent.
They outplayed Real with ease, it should've been much higher result than 2:0, only thing that was lacking was composure from attackers since they've had so many clear cut chances.
And let's not forget this is not his team, he's working with players on his disposal making the best of them which is something to worry about since they could get even better when he gets some of his players in.
And to think that PSG let him go
Under Lampard they've seemed disjointed at times, but with Tuchel they are organised all over the pitch- from back line, through midfield to attack, every player has clear idea what to do, how to do it and when.
They play as a team, and execute game plan to perfection no matter of opponent.
They outplayed Real with ease, it should've been much higher result than 2:0, only thing that was lacking was composure from attackers since they've had so many clear cut chances.
And let's not forget this is not his team, he's working with players on his disposal making the best of them which is something to worry about since they could get even better when he gets some of his players in.
And to think that PSG let him go
All true. We are weird in the market. overpay and under sell. That comes down to bad backroom management at board/executive level.
The thing is we are constantly in need of "just a couple of players in key positions"
They will not bankroll a whole new team after spending 200mWatching Chelsea under Lampard and now Tuchel and difference is night and day.
Under Lampard they've seemed disjointed at times, but with Tuchel they are organised all over the pitch- from back line, through midfield to attack, every player has clear idea what to do, how to do it and when.
They play as a team, and execute game plan to perfection no matter of opponent.
They outplayed Real with ease, it should've been much higher result than 2:0, only thing that was lacking was composure from attackers since they've had so many clear cut chances.
And let's not forget this is not his team, he's working with players on his disposal making the best of them which is something to worry about since they could get even better when he gets some of his players in.
And to think that PSG let him go
Who said they will go for a whole new team?
Can see them going for new CB and maybe striker since Thiago Silva is not getting younger, and Giroud is on his way out.
Avram Grant got to a CL final, I think people need to calm down with the superlatives.
The quality of the CL this year is very poor in any case.
The quality of the CL this year is very poor in any case.
Credit where credits due, Tuchel deserves his plaudits for me and made Fat Frank look ordinary. I knew Lampard was given the job too soon as not proven. I have the same opinion of Ole all though he's doing better job.
Some season when you think you could finish top 4 in the league along with CL & FA Cup medals. I'm praying you don't get a top striker in summer window.
he'll be sacked in 18 months
Because at the end of the day, it’s a cup competition and we all know that they’re not necessarily a true indicator of how good a team is. You could be one of the best teams by a mile, have one awful off day and go out in the first round. You could be the worst team and fluke your way to a final either by lucky draws and/or said good teams having off days.
Hopefully even sooner because that would mean he somehow messed things up.
Since he fall out with Leonardo there's a chance for same scenario at Chelsea, he does seem too outspoken at times which rarely sits well with decision makers above him.
Agreed. He has a history of falling out with his employers and we all know Abramovich has a quick trigger finger when it comes to sacking his managers.
I'm not sure I agree with your description of Haaland, who to my mind is the opposite of a "stationary striker", and I don't think there's much of a tradeoff between different types of qualities between him and Werner - he's simply a player on a different level than Werner. I think he's better than Werner than making runs to draw defenders, and not his inferior in link-up play either.
But regardless of that, I get your basic point that Chelsea's goal scoring and efficiency might improve even without a change in personnel. It certainly seems reasonable to expect more to come in that department from both Werner and Havertz. I think it's fair to say though that you're being optimistic, if not unrealistic, when you write that "an attack consisting of Werner, Sancho and Havertz (+ Pulisic) would just have so many synergies and they have more than enough goals in them, comparable to the Liverpool attack". Also, I think it's fair to say that Liverpool plays a style that is significantly more geared towards attack at the expense of defensive security than Chelsea does, which will tend to stimulate offensive output.
"Bog standard squads"? That Liverpool squad had 97 points in the PL the year they won, and 99 the year after. Our club record is 92 points. So let's not talk nonsense here.
It is very clear that he was talking about the years 2005, 2007, 2012 and 2021.
Everyone saying we will get a new CB. Wrong. They will extend Thiago for another year and hold off until the following January or summer window. I really don’t think we have more than £80-100 million to spend. The priority is a CF. The rest are fine for another year barring any sales.
If you think our team now is bog standard your mad. You have to considered how wasteful we are right now, it’s terrifying to think that it could click tomorrow and we would be winning 3/4-0 every game. It’s to that point in Jose 1.0 that I have complete confidence in our team to shut out the opposition. Take the horror show of west brom away and we have hardly conceded and we haven’t played weak teams.
Even Rio Ferdinand thinks we are best suited to challenge for the title next year. That’s a club that sacked his mate and are below his former club.
Sorry, but how is that "very clear"? What he wrote was How do Liverpool and Chelsea qualify for these finals with bog standard squads? Neither more, nor less. I mean, I'm happy to accept any clarification, but I don't see how anyone would conclude that's what he's talking about from what he wrote.
Why do you care what I think? You are in the final, just enjoy.
His point was that you are not exactly this season’s City in the league, you are still fighting for top 4 (obviously this could have been different if Tuchel had been appointed earlier, but it is what it is), but here you are in the CL final. I agree your squad is not bad. Seeing you in the final in 2012 and Liverpool in 2005 and 2007 was worse as you and they were nowhere at the top in the league back then.
Whereas United never manage such a CL run. We only have good CL runs when we are winning the league as well. That was the point he was making and this is correct.
RM and Milan also have experience in being bad in the league but winning the CL.
Whereas Barca and Bayern are more like us in this regard, they do well in Europe when they are also doing well in the league / when they are among the top teams in Europe.
I like him quite a lot but I find it really hard to give a shit about any Chelsea manager whilst knowing they won't last 2 seasons.
Well because it’s clear that Liverpool didn’t have a bog standard team in the last few years, but when they won the CL with Benitez they were average in the league, miles behind the other top English teams.
Same with Chelsea 2012.
This comes a bit down to the style those clubs are playing - teams that tend to play reactive/counter-attacking football might have great CL runs, but fail to break down defensive-minded teams in their league on a regular base, while teams that depend on dominating games tend to win on all fronts or none.
Thanks for information, was under impression that new CB is in plans, but didn't know about Silva extension.
There's little to tweak in this team, you already have great squad, now it just a matter of continuity in progress, which I think Tuchel will manage just fine.
I’m not saying Chelsea have a world class team at all, I’m saying their squad is better than ours regardless of league position.
Our players are just incredibly productive which obviously I would take.
The point I was trying to force through was we don’t really have a player who beast his man consistency or unbelievable technique (Greenwood should get here) hence why I was saying Grealish and Kane would propel us and give us that balance.
And if they are both available for under £100 million we should be doing all we can to get both. I don’t like spending huge sums as it rarely works but these two would be motivated to win something.
As Tuchel is a big fan of Guardiola, he will be extra motivated to best him in the final, maybe even have a cry afterwards like Hassenhutl.
Pep is in for a tough game.
Pep is in for a tough game.
Winning your first CL is reason enough to have a little cry.
But surely not as big a reason as besting THE Pep Guardiola?
In any case, I hope Tuchel bawls his eyes out come the 29th (tears of happiness of course
).he beat pep a few weeks agoBut surely not as big a reason as besting THE Pep Guardiola?
In any case, I hope Tuchel bawls his eyes out come the 29th (tears of happiness of course
He's already schooled him once this season in the FA cup and not a hint of tears!But surely not as big a reason as besting THE Pep Guardiola?
In any case, I hope Tuchel bawls his eyes out come the 29th (tears of happiness of course
Haven’t bothered reading the thread, let me guess, he’s a brilliant elite manager again now?
The one that got away?
The one that got away?
Because that is when their squad was bog standard?
First time since Mourinho’s return where you can legitimately say that we’re only 1 or 2 players away from being a genuine PL title contender. José identified Diego Costa and Cesc almost instantly and the club were extremely clinical in securing both early that window.
If we can do that this summer we can become co-favorites along with the Manchester clubs next season. All we really need is a top striker. We’ve got great depth everywhere else.
If we can do that this summer we can become co-favorites along with the Manchester clubs next season. All we really need is a top striker. We’ve got great depth everywhere else.
You must know how this works, when another manager has a good result Ole should be replaced according to half the posters here. That leads to the other half saying "feck Tuchel/whoever".
Yup. I’m usually in the other half, but I’m bored of that game.
Come on, everyone knows the FA cup is C-tier nowadays. Does that win even count?
Besides, he was playing Pep B. in that game. Now he gets the honour of facing the real, first team Guardiola.
This is a monumental occasion for him. Expect some tears.
Funnily enough I genuinely believe Havertz can make false 9 is own. It seems to be the new trend in football currently as this year's Champions elect and last year's Champions both won playing false 9 systems (also United's best football last season came with on form Martial up there). While Haaland will guarantee goals at a rapid rate I can't help but feel we will lose some of the fluidity we've built up in recent weeks with Kai up there.