Cavani, Hit or Big Hit?

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He would not have gotten in ahead of Yorke/Cole.
I loved that duo, for that one season, but of course he would, he’s a much better player than Cole.
Obviously the connection they had together that season was special, but who knows how well Cavani and Yorke would’ve paired, individually though, he’s clearly a better player than both.
 

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He’s been great lately, scored in his last 5 games. If we look at the whole season he was average the first half imo. We should do what we can to keep him but that should not stop us from getting a new striker next season. We need someone who can score 20+ league goals.
I'd argue its more that he's been stop-start. He had some great games in the first half of the season muddled in with some anonymous ones, which, now I'm reading it back is probably your point :lol: Since March I think he's been pretty consistently good.
 

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I loved that duo, for that one season, but of course he would, he’s a much better player than Cole.
Obviously the connection they had together that season was special, but who knows how well Cavani and Yorke would’ve paired, individually though, he’s clearly a better player than both.
Pretty sure it was Henry that said Cole is one of his favourite strikers.

He would not get in ahead of Cole or Yorke. That duo was unreal.

Player for player he's probably a bit better but you don't break up that duo, in that season. That's just wrong.
 

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14 goals + 5 assists in 1834 mins.

96 mins per G+A
131 mins per goal.

He came to PL barely playing football for 6 months, took some time to build match fitness and still his record is so good.

Hopefully he stays for at least one more season. His work rate is unreal and our young players should watch him and learn, he never stops running.
Do you have the stats for the second half of the season? Would be interesting to see how he fared after his injuries and building up his fitness level.
 

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His anticipation and timing are both top class. He is rarely in an offside position, and he still has just enough pace to not get caught by the defenders once he gets ahead. His finishing is decent, but I've seen more clinical strikers. His ability to get into those scoring positions, however, is world class. His technique and passing are also surprisingly good. It seems Bruno and him have forged a nice partnership.
 

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His anticipation and timing are both top class. He is rarely in an offside position, and he still has just enough pace to not get caught by the defenders once he gets ahead. His finishing is decent, but I've seen more clinical strikers. His ability to get into those scoring positions, however, is world class. His technique and passing are also surprisingly good. It seems Bruno and him have forged a nice partnership.
Yeah if there is one thing others on the team can learn from him, it would be timing the runs. Simply impeccable.
 

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Yeah if there is one thing others on the team can learn from him, it would be timing the runs. Simply impeccable.
I love Greenwood but his anticipation and willingness to get into the right area is SO far off Cavani. I really hope he starts to really try and pick up on it and puts in the work.

I think a lot of top forwards relied on their ability to get in the right place more so than there finishing. Andy Cole & Van Persie are two I remember missing an annoying amount of easy chances but always being there for the next one. Lukaku is like that too.
 

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Personally, I've never been convinced you can 'teach' that anticipation. It's subconcious, or is taking part in a part of the brain that wouldn't be able to articulate why you start moving towards a spot, you just do. Inzaghi obviously the best example, but also Hernandez, Ole himself and so forth. You have to say Haaland has it too.

I've not seen a lot of young strikers improve in that regard, or seen that much improvement over a career.

Would be interested to hear examples, but I feel like those players that have 'it' start with it, even from a very early point in their career.
 

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Personally, I've never been convinced you can 'teach' that anticipation. It's subconcious, or is taking part in a part of the brain that wouldn't be able to articulate why you start moving towards a spot, you just do. Inzaghi obviously the best example, but also Hernandez, Ole himself and so forth. You have to say Haaland has it too.

I've not seen a lot of young strikers improve in that regard, or seen that much improvement over a career.

Would be interested to hear examples, but I feel like those players that have 'it' start with it, even from a very early point in their career.
I don't agree. You can definitely teach it, some will be naturally better but it's about drilling it into them to make the run.

Edit: It's often just about the willingness to keep making the run. Rooney seemed to get better at it, perhaps it was his aggression he just charge in there like a bull.
 

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Personally, I've never been convinced you can 'teach' that anticipation. It's subconcious, or is taking part in a part of the brain that wouldn't be able to articulate why you start moving towards a spot, you just do. Inzaghi obviously the best example, but also Hernandez, Ole himself and so forth. You have to say Haaland has it too.

I've not seen a lot of young strikers improve in that regard, or seen that much improvement over a career.

Would be interested to hear examples, but I feel like those players that have 'it' start with it, even from a very early point in their career.
I would not say that OGS had it - he just had a remarkable ability to get his shots on target, and that was down to practice. OGS scored very few tap-ins.

Cavani is more smart - than anything. His movement is absurd. He always finds a way to shake off the defender

Nistelrooy is perhaps the best example of anticipation - he could be the only United-player in the box and he would still find a way to tap the ball in from 3 yards out. But he never had that movement Cavani has. He just always found a position where the ball would land.
 
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Pretty sure it was Henry that said Cole is one of his favourite strikers.

He would not get in ahead of Cole or Yorke. That duo was unreal.

Player for player he's probably a bit better but you don't break up that duo, in that season. That's just wrong.
One season and actually, we broke it up plenty that season. In both finals we did just that and were a better side for it in fact.
 

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One season and actually, we broke it up plenty that season. In both finals we did just that and were a better side for it in fact.
Our best season. I won't let you do it. They will not be broken up in the 99 season(except rotation). They were the perfect duo.

Edit - They started the UCL final together right?
 

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He needs to reach our other forwards who are fairies to use their head. God it’s great watching a real number 9.
 

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Our best season. I won't let you do it. They will not be broken up in the 99 season(except rotation). They were the perfect duo.

Edit - They started the UCL final together right?
Yes, they did and they both played 50/51 games each that season. Schmeichel managed 56 appearances so they'd played together plenty.
 

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I would not say that OGS had it - he just had a remarkable ability to get his shots on target, and that was down to practice. OGS scored very few tap-ins.

Cavani is more smart - than anything. His movement is absurd. He always finds a way to shake off the defender

Nistelrooy is perhaps the best example of anticipation - he could be the only United-player in the box and he would still find a way to tap the ball in from 3 yards out. But he never had that movement Cavani has. He just always found a position where the ball would land.
Ugh, can't believe I forgot my literal favourite player for United. Yes, Ruud absolutely it.

I think part of it is sheer drive and energy too. The types of players just keep making the run, taking the chance. It drives me insane watching Martial as he's basically the antithesis of that.
 

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He has almost the same g/a as Rashford in 1000 less minutes and he works much much harder than him on the pitch. Our young players need to look at the work rate desire and movement because that’s what’s majorly holding them back. They stroll and jog around waiting for other players (read Bruno) to make things happen for them instead of forcing the issue for each other or showing any drive. It’s been driving me mad this season.
 

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Pretty sure it was Henry that said Cole is one of his favourite strikers.

He would not get in ahead of Cole or Yorke. That duo was unreal.

Player for player he's probably a bit better but you don't break up that duo, in that season. That's just wrong.
Yeah you have to factor in the partnership between players, it makes the result greater than the sum of its parts.

Yorke and Cole complimented each other perfectly.
 

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Yeah you have to factor in the partnership between players, it makes the result greater than the sum of its parts.

Yorke and Cole complimented each other perfectly.
I've not followed Cavani through his career. Did he ever have a partnership like that? I know he did good with Ibra but I'm sure he was often pushed wide to accommodate Ibra.
 

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In 2018-2019 for a time it was all the talk that Cavani was set to transfer for Real Madrid, Hazard was finally introduced for an exorbitant amount to the Bernabeu instead.
You are still talking about hit and miss on Cavani?
I invite you to contemplate the way Cavani left the pitch yesterday: Pissed and fighting, after scoring twice in a Europa League semi final second leg he had already helped resolve on the first match by scoring 2 and assisting 3. He was sticking up for the kid who btw bolted inmediately, the same who didnt pass the ball and got the team stuck in Europa in the first place.
Now compare that to the way Hazzard left the pitch for Real a couple days ago: Laughing it up with his celebrating Chelsea buddies after playing both legs of a Champions League semi final in which he did nothing for his team and got eliminated against his former teammates.

Cavani is a Tiger, and he is still hungry, very hungry...
 
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I've not followed Cavani through his career. Did he ever have a partnership like that? I know he did good with Ibra but I'm sure he was often pushed wide to accommodate Ibra.
Not that I can remember, he’s always been a lone striker really and pushed wide at PSG to accommodate Ibra, which is a bit of a disgrace really considering they were some of his peak years :( (But sort of understandable when you also have Ibra in the side.)

I don’t remember much of him at Napoli tbh. Maybe other posters can comment on whether he had a partnership with another forward there...
 

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I love Greenwood but his anticipation and willingness to get into the right area is SO far off Cavani. I really hope he starts to really try and pick up on it and puts in the work.
That's a little unfair. Cavani wouldn't be doing the sort of things he's doing now as a teenager.

That said, Greenwood did make a wonderful curved run in the second half to get in behind the defense that was narrowly offside. It had all the hallmarks of a Cavani run.
 

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That's a little unfair. Cavani wouldn't be doing the sort of things he's doing now as a teenager.

That said, Greenwood did make a wonderful curved run in the second half to get in behind the defense that was narrowly offside. It had all the hallmarks of a Cavani run.
It's not a comment on the player he's going to be, like I said I hope he improves that aspect of his game because at the moment they are in different worlds in that respect.

There were times last night where Greenwood would stroll to the edge of the box, he needs that determination to be the player getting to the 12yard spot first.
 

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He has almost the same g/a as Rashford in 1000 less minutes and he works much much harder than him on the pitch. Our young players need to look at the work rate desire and movement because that’s what’s majorly holding them back. They stroll and jog around waiting for other players (read Bruno) to make things happen for them instead of forcing the issue for each other or showing any drive. It’s been driving me mad this season.
This 100%. It’s really refreshing to see a real hard working number 9 like Cavani, even if we don’t get to see the best version it’s the best we’ve had since RVP. However, I get so fecking annoyed when you compare our younger attackers to Cavani. The likes of Rashford, Greenwood and Martial have a long way to go and should be working a lot harder on and off the pitch. Put the work in, make the runs, force a mistake and eventually the goals and assists will come. They’re sulking way too much and that’s holding them back.
 

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In 2018-2019 for a time it was all the talk that Cavani was set to transfer for Real Madrid, Hazard was finally introduced for an exorbitant amount to the Bernabeu instead.
You are still talking about hit and miss on Cavani?
I invite you to contemplate the way Cavani left the pitch yesterday: Pissed and fighting, after scoring twice in a Europa League semi final second leg he had already helped resolve on the first match by scoring 2 and assisting 3. He was sticking up for the kid who btw bolted inmediately, the same who didnt pass the ball and got the team stuck in Europa in the first place.
Now compare that to the way Hazzard left the pitch for Real a couple days ago: Laughing it up with his celebrating Chelsea buddies after playing both legs of a Champions League semi final in which he did nothing for his team and got eliminated against his former teammates.

Cavani is a Tiger, and he is still hungry, very hungry...
Give this fury warrior a like.
 

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In 2018-2019 for a time it was all the talk that Cavani was set to transfer for Real Madrid, Hazard was finally introduced for an exorbitant amount to the Bernabeu instead.
You are still talking about hit and miss on Cavani?
I invite you to contemplate the way Cavani left the pitch yesterday: Pissed and fighting, after scoring twice in a Europa League semi final second leg he had already helped resolve on the first match by scoring 2 and assisting 3. He was sticking up for the kid who btw bolted inmediately, the same who didnt pass the ball and got the team stuck in Europa in the first place.
Now compare that to the way Hazzard left the pitch for Real a couple days ago: Laughing it up with his celebrating Chelsea buddies after playing both legs of a Champions League semi final in which he did nothing for his team and got eliminated against his former teammates.

Cavani is a Tiger, and he is still hungry, very hungry...
Good post.

Yes Cavani, is one of the last of the 'old guard' as it were. When players seemed to care a lot more than they do now. A lot more running, desire etc. Obviously I'm generalising but you get my point.
 

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So out of the 8 goals over 2 legs, he didn't contribute to just 1? That's a bit mad
What's also mad is that he is our best signing this year and was free, and our worst of the year is the most expensive of the 4.
 

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It really annoys me that he can't play week after week. If we want to challenge for title next season we need no9 who is available for 90 minutes every week.
He is so damn good. And as someone said; our story lately is "shame that we didn't bought him in his prime"
 

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It really annoys me that he can't play week after week. If we want to challenge for title next season we need no9 who is available for 90 minutes every week.
He is so damn good. And as someone said; our story lately is "shame that we didn't bought him in his prime"
Football Association will definitely give us tight schedule next season, so most likely we'll be vulnerable without proper reinforcements, once again.

I doubt Diallo will tear the league apart just yet. There's no other way around - we just need to have that proper summer window.
 

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Do you have the stats for the second half of the season? Would be interesting to see how he fared after his injuries and building up his fitness level.
From Jan 1st (He was suspended till 12th), he has 13 Goals + assists in 1238 mins (95 mins per G+A).

If it's from Feb, he has 12 goals + assist in 825 mins. 69 mins per G+A.
 

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His anticipation and timing are both top class. He is rarely in an offside position, and he still has just enough pace to not get caught by the defenders once he gets ahead. His finishing is decent, but I've seen more clinical strikers. His ability to get into those scoring positions, however, is world class. His technique and passing are also surprisingly good. It seems Bruno and him have forged a nice partnership.
if we had a great winger, he'd have scored even more. Can you imagine Beckham pinging it on to his head?
 

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So surprised that PSG let him go and kept Icardi. Think, he would have helped PSG in the CL.
 
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Edit - They started the UCL final together right?
Yup, and were shocking the pair of them, as was the rest of the side in fairness. Thankfully we had Becks on the pitch and Teddy (especially) / Ole on the bench.

Teddy was also the MOTM in the FA Cup final.

Their partnership was broken up for the FA Cup semi replay too after they were a bit crap in the first tie.

But yes, of course they were an amazing partnership, but that isn’t the point I’m making. We know Cavani’s a better player individually yet none of us have any idea how he’d have performed alongside Yorke in 99.