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Anyone seen what Rio said on BT sport? This is the exact same line they pandered in 2005. 'good communication between owners and fans' BS.
Do not fall for it. Let's make it untenable for these cnuts to stay
 

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laughtersassassin said:
What a load of absolute nonsense. Says a lot but says nothing at all.

I do wonder if they will spend big this summer just to try shut us up.

While it shouldn't work it would if we are honest.
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They spend say £200m on new players, fix the stadium up, invest in better training facilities...99% of fans will be appeased
 

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I hope these feckers think star players could solve everything and let the club sign Haaland + Mbappe. Then leave the season after the next.
 

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Rooney1987 said:
I don't buy it. What is good though, thats looks like they're feeling quite nervous about what's been going on recently. It's having an affect.
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An actual real person. Glazer PR very active in here. It’s echoey. Hope you are all right, mate. I have put a large number of shills and apologists on ignore, just to see what happens, like.
 

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One thing people protesting need to understand that Glazers are the owner and no amount of protest from.fans can convince them to sell unless they get the right price.
 

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Can someone clarify what Simon is on about here ? What committments are the Glazers going to fulfill ? As far as I understand that have committed sweet feck all.
 

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Sandikan said:
It's a big statement, as everyone expected nothing from them.
It shows they are rattled, and who wouldn't be after a bunch of characters got a premier league game called off. That is unprecedented.
Although you don't force billionaires out it's promising.

However, very easy to say "we'll invest", as it depends what their version of investment is.

Is bringing Van D Beek in with 2 youngsters for a 50m net spend summer their idea? Or is it booting 200m in with 3 proper big signings, on top of real infrastructure overhauling?
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Would be a sign of goodwill to have the PR department to take a month break from Redcafe and other fan forums. Also they could start a series of workshops (socially distanced) on “How shall we Feck Off”.
Commit to no further dividends for 50 years. Pay off debt. Reduce their voting rights to 49% or less.
 
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NFM said:
Some of the comments on here are pretty disgusting. Is it because they are Jewish? or American? or both?
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It’s not because they are Jewish. It’s not a racist protest. It’s pro Man United. It’s anti parasite.
 

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Flying high said:
Not a single solid proposal there. Not even a mention of selling their premium shares. Vague promises to spend more, but without saying from where that money will come.

Nope, not even close to good enough. Time to phuck off Joel.
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I agree and support this post. Have a follow. Ignore all Glazer apologists stinking up the Caf.
 

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Sandikan said:
I'd love it if the Glazers genuinely didn't realise there was all this bad feeling, and that they've suddenly being shaken into a "ok we;'ll boot a tonneload of wad in and start really showing they care".

But no billionaire could be that criminally naive surely?
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They're worried about the potential for this to go tits up for them with 50+1. They do that and the last 16 years of owning our club is a marginal gain that they could have potentially achieved investing in another franchise or through other means.

Unlike Arsenal, our brand transcends our sport and therefore it being considered a failure is not acceptable because it directly affects their bottom line. That is why everytime we've struggled, they've green lit massive transfers and spending.
 

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Whatever happens there will always be a feeling of dis-trust towards the glazers.

I suspect they will spend some of the clubs money on transfers and bringing old Trafford up to scratch and maybe even the training ground, and that will appease some fans. But this whole thing runs alot deeper than that.

Intrigued to see how they are going to communicate with the fans better and whether anything actually comes of it. Or will it just be a form of lip service.

They may be able to rebuild some of the bridges they have burned, but its take a lot of time and effort on there part and even with that they will still very much be mud to alot of the fans.
 

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FatTails said:
Excellent post. The fundamentalists in here are completely unreasonable. The point was made, and while the impact of the protest is present, concessions from the glazers should be listened to rather than nonsensical collective “feck off mate” response that seems to be popular on here.

The letter hits on all the things we want. Investment in squad and stadium, dialogue with fans, open to fan representation, a nod to the fan-led review and willingness to work with it, and another apology for the ESL.

Yes, for now they’re just words, but they’re more specific words than what you usually see in a PR fluff letter. Of course it’s possible that they won’t follow through, and one has the right to be skeptical and vigilant, but not outright obtuse and non-sensical.
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Completely agree!
 

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Jibbs said:
One thing people protesting need to understand that Glazers are the owner and no amount of protest from.fans can convince them to sell unless they get the right price.
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And three things why they became the owners:
1. Malcolm was their father who has passed away
2. That fecking "Rock of Gilbatar" fight between Fergie and previous owners
3. Strong connection with JP Morgan and George Soros as fellow eastern europe jewish immigrant in the US, imagine if Malcolm was just a dude from Asia or Middle east with a bad investment records in Tempa Bay.

The point is they took the advantages from chaos and connections to buy United. So why can't we use the same strategy to kick them out?

Connections - all the fan base need to be united with the protest
Chaos - There are at least 5 Glazers as share holders and not all of them who has the same passion with soprts investment as Joel Glazer. Financial instability would made them to sell at any cost, and "the right price" will become a myth.
 

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FatTails said:
Excellent post. The fundamentalists in here are completely unreasonable. The point was made, and while the impact of the protest is present, concessions from the glazers should be listened to rather than nonsensical collective “feck off mate” response that seems to be popular on here.

The letter hits on all the things we want. Investment in squad and stadium, dialogue with fans, open to fan representation, a nod to the fan-led review and willingness to work with it, and another apology for the ESL.

Yes, for now they’re just words, but they’re more specific words than what you usually see in a PR fluff letter. Of course it’s possible that they won’t follow through, and one has the right to be skeptical and vigilant, but not outright obtuse and non-sensical.
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Agreed. Let's be honest, the list of prospective buyers isn't long and they seemingly have no intention of selling, so the best realistic option we can hope for might just be them being better.

We do need proper action though, not just words. And quick. They don't deserve any patience or goodwill until they start earning it. For that reason I hope last weekend's protest is not the last. We need to keep the pressure on. Complacency from fans is partly what allowed these idiots to think the ESL idea was a good one.
 

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If you are gonna protest - you should at least be open as to what you are protesting for.

If 10.000 United-fans protest with one goal - get rid of Glazers - ok fine.

But as it stands now - some fans want to get rid of Glazer...doesn't matter how, some think they are awful but could accept them if they adapt to MUSTS demands, some just want them to get more money into the club without taking money out of the club.

But now we have some fans who want to talk to Glazers, some fans who just want Glazers gone and dont want to talk at all.....it's only gonna create a lot of hostility between the groups. And it will ruin for the team and the players. At least agree to what you are protesting against
 

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Does anyone think we have enough supporters to buy 50+1?
Or should we be looking at something like Glazers 49% supporters 26% and someone like the Red Knights 25% or some other percentages?
 

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FatTails said:
Excellent post. The fundamentalists in here are completely unreasonable. The point was made, and while the impact of the protest is present, concessions from the glazers should be listened to rather than nonsensical collective “feck off mate” response that seems to be popular on here.

The letter hits on all the things we want. Investment in squad and stadium, dialogue with fans, open to fan representation, a nod to the fan-led review and willingness to work with it, and another apology for the ESL.

Yes, for now they’re just words, but they’re more specific words than what you usually see in a PR fluff letter. Of course it’s possible that they won’t follow through, and one has the right to be skeptical and vigilant, but not outright obtuse and non-sensical.
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Fantastic Post.
 

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FatTails said:
Excellent post. The fundamentalists in here are completely unreasonable. The point was made, and while the impact of the protest is present, concessions from the glazers should be listened to rather than nonsensical collective “feck off mate” response that seems to be popular on here.

The letter hits on all the things we want. Investment in squad and stadium, dialogue with fans, open to fan representation, a nod to the fan-led review and willingness to work with it, and another apology for the ESL.

Yes, for now they’re just words, but they’re more specific words than what you usually see in a PR fluff letter. Of course it’s possible that they won’t follow through, and one has the right to be skeptical and vigilant, but not outright obtuse and non-sensical.
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I echo this, as well as @swooshboy ’s original post.
 

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lefty_jakobz said:
They spend say £200m on new players, fix the stadium up, invest in better training facilities...99% of fans will be appeased
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Still all that is just distraction tactics. As long as we don't have the right CEO and have all their debt on the club.
 

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FatTails said:
Excellent post. The fundamentalists in here are completely unreasonable. The point was made, and while the impact of the protest is present, concessions from the glazers should be listened to rather than nonsensical collective “feck off mate” response that seems to be popular on here.

The letter hits on all the things we want. Investment in squad and stadium, dialogue with fans, open to fan representation, a nod to the fan-led review and willingness to work with it, and another apology for the ESL.

Yes, for now they’re just words, but they’re more specific words than what you usually see in a PR fluff letter. Of course it’s possible that they won’t follow through, and one has the right to be skeptical and vigilant, but not outright obtuse and non-sensical.
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There is nothing unreasonable about maintaining strong doubts and harbouring frustration until action is taken. No specific wording changes that. They can say theyl buy Messi Kane and Sancho, and it won't mean a thing until they back up their words.

They're backed into a corner and are making reactionary statements. This tells you everything. Nothing about them is positive, and they can feck right off until they show otherwise, the shit cnut bellends.
 

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FatTails said:
Excellent post. The fundamentalists in here are completely unreasonable. The point was made, and while the impact of the protest is present, concessions from the glazers should be listened to rather than nonsensical collective “feck off mate” response that seems to be popular on here.

The letter hits on all the things we want. Investment in squad and stadium, dialogue with fans, open to fan representation, a nod to the fan-led review and willingness to work with it, and another apology for the ESL.

Yes, for now they’re just words, but they’re more specific words than what you usually see in a PR fluff letter. Of course it’s possible that they won’t follow through, and one has the right to be skeptical and vigilant, but not outright obtuse and non-sensical.
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Doesn't say anything about clearing their debt or committing to hiring the right CEO and board members who actually know what they are doing.

Long term both of these are much more important.

Be easy to spend big this season to shut everyone up and then go back to doing exactly what they where doing.
 

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Want them out. People who want investment don't understand or are being disingenuous. Do people think them lot and their banks will suddenly magically care for the legacy supporters that it thinks so highly of? If we settle, it will happen again in future. If you accept fake apologies, you are part of a wider problem in that you are selfish rather then looking at the bigger picture. Because it's not and never will be sincere. Protest with intelligence and do not fall for infiltration which dilutes the message. Be peaceful but smart to know the truth which is of course they will look to make you simpletons happy...until the next time. That's how they view us. You can predict them a mile off. Of course their would be rumors of big transfers etc.
 
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The letter states all the things we wanted them to do, now we have to wait and see if they follow through, if they do there's no longer a need for the outrage.

They aren't going to sell, there's no chance of it, they're got their hands on a goose that lays golden eggs and it makes complete sense to hold on to it for the next 100 years instead of selling it anytime soon for someone else to do exactly the same. The best we can hope for is that they keep their promises or risk the wrath of pissed off fans again.
 

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You have to admire what Gary Neville has done here, haha.

They are rich and do not need this but they will have to go on a fan call and get absolutely obliterated regularly, I hope it makes them quiver in bed.
 

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If/when their vague promises become concrete actions of sufficient magnitude then fine, reassess the state of their ownership.

Until they actually make changes though there's no reason to believe or trust those vague promises, so also no reason to ease the pressure on them. Years of greed and mismanagement coupled with the recent ESL attempt in which they (or Woodward under their auspices) happily misled UEFA have left them with no credit in the bank in that regard. Why trust known liars?
 

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The hardliners need to be careful. Without the majority of fans they’re back to pissing into the wind. It’s the mistake the anti Glazer contingent always makes.

There is definitely a delusion about how resolute enough fans to make a difference are. I doubt the extremists are smart enough to recognise that and they’ll squander the opportunity.

The most important thing isn’t to make sure the most rabid protesters feel vindicated.
 

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'77FACup said:
Does anyone think we have enough supporters to buy 50+1?
Or should we be looking at something like Glazers 49% supporters 26% and someone like the Red Knights 25% or some other percentages?
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Of course we don’t. In current evaluation, buying 51% of the club costs around 1.5B dollars. Fans won’t do so. 18% of United stocks are in stock exchange, but the vast majority of them are in the hands of other investors like George Soros because fans didn’t put their money there.

Red Knights were all talk, but the chances of them having ever bought United are approximately the same as me buying United. It was never close to happening, and since then there are no more Red Knights.

If Glazers ever sell United it is either gonna be Saudis, putting the entire shares in the stock exchange (then the club being owned mostly from other big investors and some retail investors), or another debt-leveraged buyout from some other consortium. All other options are more or less fantasy.
 

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I'm not really seeing anything actually meaningful in these letters, and they strike me as just PR responses. What they really need to do is either take zero dividends, or at the very least significantly reduced amounts until the debt they have created is cleared from the club.
 

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VP89 said:
There is nothing unreasonable about maintaining strong doubts and harbouring frustration until action is taken. No specific wording changes that. They can say theyl buy Messi Kane and Sancho, and it won't mean a thing until they back up their words.

They're backed into a corner and are making reactionary statements. This tells you everything. Nothing about them is positive, and they can feck right off until they show otherwise, the shit cnut bellends.
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Well said, the posters on here referring to those who are not convinced of the Glazer statement as stupid, extremist, hardliners that should give them the benefit of the doubt are easily lead and naive at best.

My attitude towards them may change if they act on the things they have said they would but history tells us this is unlikely to happen.
 

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Tincanalley said:
An actual real person. Glazer PR very active in here. It’s echoey. Hope you are all right, mate. I have put a large number of shills and apologists on ignore, just to see what happens, like.
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Shills and apologists or just reasonable people you don't agree with?
 

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If you're happy for innocent people to lose their jobs, fine.

I suppose that says everything about you (and other hardliners) who think of only one thing and sod the consequences or any innocent who gets caught up in the crossfire.
 
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