LilyWhiteSpur
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He never seems to learn, has most of the ball with not 1 short on target, he will be gone at the end of the season.
Couldn't the same be said for tuchel but he ain't doing too bad at Chelsea. PSG is a bit of a poison chalice with the pre madonna characters in the dressing room, it's a club that is controlled by player powerBecause what Levy really wants is a manager back who has almost proven he also can't do it at a club that's expected to walk the league, with almost unlimited resources, and arguably two of the regular Ballon D'or nominees in attack.
A bit like taking your mrs back after you leave her for being frigid once another bloke confirms it for you
The on-pitch display last night suggested to me that he's not evolved, and nothing would change. He has a least some legacy intact, and a return would risk it.
Not really - Tuchel hasn't "gone back" to Chelsea, and he at least won a heft of trophies at PSG and reached a final.Couldn't the same be said for tuchel but he ain't doing too bad at Chelsea. PSG is a bit of a poison chalice with the pre madonna characters in the dressing room, it's a club that is controlled by player power
There is no real shame though in going out of the champions league to this man city team that have looked like the best side in Europe for about 5 or 6 months now, I'm not even confident that madrid under a proven great manager like zidane can stop them if they get to the final.Not really - Tuchel hasn't "gone back" to Chelsea, and he at least won a heft of trophies at PSG and reached a final.
The jury is still out at Chelsea though - the first 6 months don't really imply what the period following that will be.
Tuchel PSG win percentage of 74.8%There is no real shame though in going out of the champions league to this man city team that have looked like the best side in Europe for about 5 or 6 months now, I'm not even confident that madrid under a proven great manager like zidane can stop them if they get to the final.
As for the league, tuchel was doing just as bad and left psg playing catch up when he left. Also spurs are hardly in position of being able to cherry pick the best managers to come to their club.
It depends on the how, though. There's losing to this City side (like Ryan Mason) in a final, and there's going out with a whimper and barely a shot on target over two legs, with one of the best attacking lines out there.There is no real shame though in going out of the champions league to this man city team that have looked like the best side in Europe for about 5 or 6 months now, I'm not even confident that madrid under a proven great manager like zidane can stop them if they get to the final.
Not really relevant though is it? He was crap before he was sacked, and still seems to be the same one now. It's not hugely different to the argument against Mourinho these days.Also spurs are hardly in position of being able to cherry pick the best managers to come to their club.
Its silly to comment on another manager?Thread is very silly
Because a manager being rated is taken as an indirect criticism as Ole, even if Ole has nothing to do with how a manager is rated. Tuchel, Bielsa and Poch are all on the Caf's hated list for this reason, their threads are bumped every time their team has a bad result - it's a bit pathetic if we're being honest and the sort of thing you'd expect to see on RAWK and bluemoon. We've even had the same happen to Pep during City's bad periods ("Pep Guardiola is my idol") and Klopp too. I don't think there's a manager in the game that the Caf actually rates, they're all overrated hipsters or taking easy jobs with huge financial backing.
Some truth in both these contrasting takes tbh.A lot of it is from the fact that a section of posters on here spent ages being condescending pricks to anyone who'd rather Ole be given the chance to finish what he started than to sack him and bring in Poch. Poch, we were told, would immediately have the team play swashbuckling football with a clear plan and we'd easily challenge for the big trophies. Unlike Ole, who's smiling, clueless clown that plays counter-attacking football and relies on moments of individual brilliance to keep him in the job, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.
He went to PSG, after four months he still hasn't managed to put any kind of stamp on the team, they're ironically extremely dependent on moments of individual brilliance, and in today's defeat he showed a staggering level of tactical naïvité.
And, like all things that get over-hyped, people get sick as of it and start wishing it'll go away so they can stop hearing about it. Plenty of people don't actually give a shit about Poch, they're just tired of the same posters popping into threads (or better yet, starting them) to tell us that we made a mistake in not sacking Ole and hiring Poch.
The thing is that PSG needs to rebuild, they do not have a particularly strong team, they have to replace key players that left last summer, Mbappé is likely gone in the next 24 months and Di Maria who was arguably their best performer in the last 2-3 years is now 33 years old and steeply declined this season. If you consider PSG's mid term prospect, someone like Pochettino could be a perfect fit.I think he's a good manager but maybe the PSG job wasn't the best gig for him. In saying that, he was never someone I really fancied to replace Ole. I still have a-lot of doubts about him and I'm not really a fan of his football.
When Zidane came back to Real Madrid after they sacked Lopetegui and Solari, they did not improve that season. He won the league the next season and is competing for the league and the CL this season. We also know that Tuchel did badly with this PSG during this season and is doing better with Chelsea.Yes but the way Pochettino is hyped in the press - you should at least expect a massive improvment.
I don't think it needs further explanation personally
No it's silly to write off a manager for losing to Man City after 4 months in charge, similarly, its silly to come in here and heap praise when he knocked out Barca and Bayern (at the expense of Ole).Its silly to comment on another manager?
But its totally understandable when all you do it criticise the Manutd Manager?
Fans of managers? Most people are fans of teams. Then There’s the extreme few that absolutely worship certain managers or even just use that manager to shit on their own. Shame those people were not so vocal at the moment discussing pochs wonders and where they were last night, maybe then we’d have a discussionNo it's silly to write off a manager for losing to Man City after 4 months in charge, similarly, its silly to come in here and heap praise when he knocked out Barca and Bayern (at the expense of Ole).
It has become a silly thread of point-scoring between Ole fans and Poch fans (which swings depending on the latest result), rather than one which is actually about Poch and evaluating/critiquing his management.
@Zlatan 7 guess you have your answer after all
Found it baffling that he went with Herrera as the most advanced midfielder last night instead of Draxler personally. Also not yanking Icardi at halftime when he was absolutely useless was pretty cowardly.One question that I have about Pochettino's decisions is why does he play Verratti as a 10 when Verratti is notoriously not an attacking threat and significantly more influential as a deep lying playmaker. It's even more baffling when I really don't rate any of Gueye, Paredes and Herrera.
Not how this thread readsFans of managers? Most people are fans of teams. Then There’s the extreme few that absolutely worship certain managers or even just use that manager to shit on their own. Shame those people were not so vocal at the moment discussing pochs wonders and where they were last night, maybe then we’d have a discussion
Thats what I keep saying their midfield is Europa league levels. Veratti is a good player but not so good that he could carry Gueye, Paredes, Herrera and Draxler. Then a decent cb in a kimpepe and a good one in Marquinhos the full backs are the same level as the midfielders. They are not poor footballers but you would want them surrounded by other capable players. Instead you have about 4/5 of this lot starting against man city.It's even more baffling when I really don't rate any of Gueye, Paredes and Herrera.
Back to business
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That's greatBack to business
(picture stolen from a PSG football forum because they know the reputation of the French league in some places)
Why do people keep acting as if Pochettino managed them for the entire season and half PSG's results occurred before his arrival?After Lille overcoming their biggest remaining obstacle last night, the great Poch finds himself in a position where he not only needs to win his remaining three games but also relies on either 13th or 14th place to take points off Lille.
Last team to tip PSG to the title (Monaco 16/17) scored 100+ goals, went 18-2-0 in their final 20 games and ended on 95 points. If you’re PSG and get beaten by a team like that you can only applaud them. With all due respect to Lille they’re nowhere close to that. They’ve only scored 60+ and have been dropping points frequently. Not only that but in a summer where Lille picked up Yilmaz for free (a guy at the end of his career who never had played outside of Turkey), PSG spent 50m on Icardi. This has been a colossal feck up by PSG.
How on earth did it come to this for Poch?
I agree this isn’t on all Pochettino but just wondering is there a Tuchel v Pochettino table lying around somewhere? It would be interesting to see the comparison between the two and exactly where this title was lost for PSG (as much as I respect what Lille are doing, there’s no denying that PSG lost this title more than Lille won it, IMO).Why do people keep acting as if Pochettino managed them for the entire season and half PSG's results occurred before his arrival?
They don't have unlimited funds and never spent like they did, even when you look at their initial key purchases outside of Cavani their signings were reasonable. Mbappé and Neymar signings were out of character and with FFP, they had to balance the book by selling academy players.They have unlimited funds. Does anyone know why they don't do marquee signings anymore? Gueye, Pareses, Danilo, Raphina, Kean very underwhelming for a team with unlimited funds
Tuchel had managed 17 league games 11 wins, 4 losses and 2 draws. Pochettino has 13 wins, 4 losses and 1 draw.I agree this isn’t on all Pochettino but just wondering is there a Tuchel v Pochettino table lying around somewhere? It would be interesting to see the comparison between the two and exactly where this title was lost for PSG (as much as I respect what Lille are doing, there’s no denying that PSG lost this title more than Lille won it, IMO).
No doubt about it, however, it doesn’t bode well for Tuchel and Pochettino to be associated with this debacle, no matter which of their tenures caused the most damage to their season.
I think Tuchel had a better win percentage tha what Poch has currently.I agree this isn’t on all Pochettino but just wondering is there a Tuchel v Pochettino table lying around somewhere? It would be interesting to see the comparison between the two and exactly where this title was lost for PSG (as much as I respect what Lille are doing, there’s no denying that PSG lost this title more than Lille won it, IMO).
No doubt about it, however, it doesn’t bode well for Tuchel and Pochettino to be associated with this debacle, no matter which of their tenures caused the most damage to their season.
Tuchel had managed 17 league games 11 wins, 4 losses and 2 draws. Pochettino has 13 wins, 4 losses and 1 draw.
@JPRouve is suggesting different, mate...I think Tuchel had a better win percentage tha what Poch has currently.
I think it was posted earlier in the thread.
Because they are 3rd in the table if the league started when he was coming to PSG?Why do people keep acting as if Pochettino managed them for the entire season and half PSG's results occurred before his arrival?
Most likely for FFP reasons; even Danilo was signed on a loan.They have unlimited funds. Does anyone know why they don't do marquee signings anymore? Gueye, Pareses, Danilo, Raphina, Kean very underwhelming for a team with unlimited funds
Simliar records and the PSG owners chose to sack Tuchel and they did it at Christmas and after a 4-0 win.Tuchel had managed 17 league games 11 wins, 4 losses and 2 draws. Pochettino has 13 wins, 4 losses and 1 draw.
Why do people keep acting as if Pochettino managed them for the entire season and half PSG's results occurred before his arrival?