Yes but thats it. Ultimately, flogging a dead horse to expose it isnt winning any political points its wasting time. It has been covered but ultimately Keir scored an own goal as it allowed Boris to reveal labour themselves spent £500’000 of tax payers money on said flat.
That's probably true, but i'd say they hold quite a lot power with the current Biden administration, liberal media and multional corporations embracing woke virtue signalling which distract from their otherwise unethical practices and lack of desire to pay more in taxes.
Yep, I think usage has shifted towards it being a pejorative term at this point. I say that because I've seen journalists for mainstream outlets (The Guardian and Telegraph, I think) note that their editors have changed their use of the word "woke" (when meant in a non-pejorative sense) for that reason. So for example if a TV reviewer were to describe a show as "woke" it would be percieved as an implied criticism, so a term like "socially conscious" is used instead.
I said this a couple of months ago. I think I’ve been proven just about spot on to be honest.
Ultimately the issue is the failure of Starmer to draw the line between the two things you're talking about in a way that cuts through, i.e - it is a scandal that the rich are donating directly to Boris Johnson, because Boris Johnson and his government hand out our tax money to these people in return via contracts, beneficial legislation, appointments, honours etc., using your money to enrich their little club and lock you out of it.
Thats well put. I think regardless of party there is a public distrust and expectation of politicians to be corrupt. Those old phrases ‘no such thing as an honest politician’ are all out there. There wasnt going to be any mileage in that argument.
Mr Public Perception now are ya? You realise how immoral and shitty your political positioning is and now you make it about how the public see it and not yourself. How about you own the fact that your vote actively contributes to excess covid deaths, excess deaths through neglect of the state and rampant corruption? How about you own the fact that you've done this because you don't like immigrants, benefits claimants and the Tories have bribed you with a bit of your deposit on a house?
I’m just talking.
Great shout in fairness. I really hate the term woke.
The term woke is fine in my opinion. It's no different to the term 'liberal' in the States. It's just been bastardised by the anti-woke agenda. I'd rather be referred to as woke than fascist.
I'd just like to see you be honest with people, admit you're a selfish little toe rag and a very clear example of THE number one problem on British society.
this is the sort of post and sort of thinking that means you can’t have sensible debate - as a result you must see this contributes to the problem.
Just me then. I really hate the term but I have to agree, I'd rather be woke than fascist.
“Bloody immigrants coming over here and taking our Polish peoples jobs” - a great line from a stand up show, can’t remember the comedian.
Right, so he's knowingly killing people with his vote, which he's admitted, yet I'm not allowed call him out on it?
I think there's probably a misconception on what it means now, which is what anti-woke people want. All it is is being aware of social injustices...
I agree. I saw this a lot in America with the constant "this is why Trump won" crowd because we're too woke who've not offered an explanation as to why we saw such seismic shift there in recent election despite similar attack lines against the democratic party there as being too woke, pro cancel culture
Try to do it without the hyperbole.
I know what it means but I've always associated the term with people who take too much acid and that.
It was no secret that before the 2019 election that the Tories had killed around 120,000 people through austerity. In fact it was no secret that their unnecessary cuts had been killing people for ages. Can you point out the hyperbole please?
FairYour hyperbole is implying that It's the direct links to individuals that has caused the deaths. Challenge and debate for sure, but you lose any credibile argument when you try to imply that people have blood on their hands based on their vote. Then folk wonder why people don't listen to the debate when it's just direct personal attacks and a competition of who is sitting on the highest moral ground. By your notion, every political party that has ever been in power in the UK has indirectly killed people through decisions and policy.
so to be clear. If you’ve voted Conservative you believe you’ve knowingly killed people?
Theres nothing selfish about casting a vote. I find it hard to believe that people can get get so hysterical about someone having a different opinion. You sound like you expect some sort of society where there are only people conforming to your beliefs. Odd
Secede from the Union to escape you.
And the reaction to @Jezpeza in this thread pretty much highlights a key reason why Labour and the left are continuing to fail.
I don't think it's possible to reason with a part of the electorate who complains that a party that hasn't been in power for a decade hasn't done enough for them, while voting for the party that isn't doing enough for them. If one of your first thoughts when deciding on who to vote for is 'why should I have to pay taxes so people can scrounge benefits' then you are lost, unless there is a specific issue (ie Brexit) that an court your vote above else. Obviously the retention and strengthening of the NHS isn't a strong enough subject, despite the last 12 months.
I'm sure Germans in the 30s said the same.
Pretty much. It's no secret their vote is keeping in a government who've killed 100s of thousands of people and unless they're seriously stupid, they know their vote can change that.
I believe there should be no society without a greater regard for human life and equality than greed and corruption. The whole idea of government is so that we can organise strategies to best help those in society and help it flourish. If the government is failing, which they blatantly are, given their body count and the rampant corruption, they should be disposed of. The problem is people like you. People who can be bought and paid for with shitty little help to buy schemes because you're a cheap political prostitute who couldn't care less about the collateral damage.
Your question again shows a lack of diving into the reality of what that donation means. It means tax payers money could be squandered to a private company that made that donation.
I appreciate your latter point. There is still a part of me that shudders at the thought of nationalising seemingly everything, but my views have definitely softened with regard to the left of the party; a policy like basic internet for people actually really makes sense when you consider pretty much everything through the job centre is done via the internet now. The unfortunate thing is the way the policy was packaged was poor. We need progressive policies with polished leadership and I don't see that happening...
I'm all for political pragmatism but 100s of thousands of unnecessary deaths is a red line issue for me. I'm not entirely sure how it isn't for others really.
I'm done. If you're reading this having found my body, I ask only that you set it on fire in the nearest ditch.wow.
The holocaust happened in the 30s did it? Good to know.
If, when the dust settles, that is identified as having been the case, then the government should and hopefully will be held to account, 100%.
I'm not talking about covid deaths, that's far more complicated and does require a review after, although I'm not holding my breathe on the outcome of said enquiry being accurate. I'm talking about the excess deaths through austerity and other policies, such as arms sales to places like Saudi.
I'm pretty clearly talking about the same selfish mindset of the voters rather than the nature of the government, although I think the Tories are becoming increasingly fascist.
