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La Liga 2020/21
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
you just fecking knew it's going to happen
Eh feck off Kroos, jammy bastard.
what a 'touch' by Hazard to finish it off, truly a genius
No way, I’d love for you to be right but Atletico have the tie breaker against us
Wow
what a finish to the match
Hazard of course
Snatching a draw from the hands of defeat. Not too bad.
Be surprised if Real take 7/9 nevermind 9/9 on current form with 3 difficult fixtures to come.
What does this mean now? Who is in the driving seat?
So, that's it. The weekend when everything was supposed to be decided.
0-0 and 2-2.
Nothing's decided.
Atletico 77
Real 75
Barca 75
Sevilla 71
0-0 and 2-2.
Nothing's decided.
Atletico 77
Real 75
Barca 75
Sevilla 71
Atletico's to lose.
So two things: if we have this energy, where was it against chelsea? Was it really just chelsea being too good? (And if so, fine, so what about betis?)
And if we can play with this energy we still have a chance of winning this fecking league
And if we can play with this energy we still have a chance of winning this fecking league
its easy to run when you don t got kante hounding you
Sure but we looked just as dead against betis(and osasuna, for that matter, though we still won. We've looked dead since the clasico in fact, apart from 10 minutes in cadiz with a heavily rotated side)
I think Altetico come out of this the happier of all 3. Sevilla I don't see them pipping any of the top 3 honestly.
Atletico also has arguable the more favorable last 3 games than Barca and Real. Barca looking the trickiest of the 3.
Real have the hardest 3 games without doubt.
Think Atletico can afford a draw but nothing more than that.
real definitely have the harder schedule, not us
Barcelona will win this league title.
haha no, we are in poor form and need Atletico to flat out lose
Considering heat to head to decide a league title is lame. 2 games don't reflect a season. GD is a better parameter to decide the league.
Atletico has been very close to complete the most disastrous bottle job but somehow Barcelona and Real Madrid haven't been up for it to take the lead from them. They've been very lucky to stay at the top and after today they the favorites again to win the league.
In regards to La Liga you have to favour Atleti. Probably the easiest run and they have two points in hand. Falling over the line, but I think they'll just about do it.
Just out of interest to the Spanish posters on here. How are the big PL clubs viewed in Spain? By this I do not mean due to finances or club culture but more by the fear or (lack of fear) level they induce in a Spanish team when they are drawn.
Right now logically City or Chelsea. I imagine it depends on the level of the teams. These types of sensations are based on the most immediate.
If I haven't seen football for a year and they ask me who I don't want, influenced by what I've suffered. I would surely say United and Liverpool.
Besides the stage, It seems that Anfield and Old Trafford already evoke difficult games.
Nah, much prefer head to head. Allows teams to play more open during the season since goal differential doesn’t matter as much. Real have comfortably been the best of all the teams the top 4 have played each other. Would feel like robbery if Barca won a tiebreaker with Madrid due to goal differential while getting 0 points against Real.
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That is a very possible option: a draw on points with Barça. The game against Real Sociedad is the key and there could be the draw, or win against Real and draw against Valladolid, which is struggling not to be relegated and could be a rough game
Considering that the title is for the best team over a season, GD is a better metric. Over 2 games, a host of other factors and fine margins may come into significant influence - injuries, dip in form, refereeing, luck etc. In any game, teams don't just decide to stop scoring. Number of goals scored is objectively a better pointer to the quality of a team over a season than 2 odd games.
In addition, due to RMs draw, you also need them to drop points.
Not impossible, but not looking particulary good for Barca.
Atletico have only mustered two wins in a row once in the last three months. You have Pep's Barca form compared to them.
Barcelona have had the superior goal difference every single season in the last decade except in 2011-2012. That season, RM had it, and it was the 100 point, 121 goal RM that Mourinho loves to brag about. The goal difference between Real Madrid and Barcelona was a measly 4 goals. They've had a better goal difference than the champions even in seasons in which they don't win anything and are uniformly considered to be weak.
I would suggest getting away from the whole 'well it's just two games, a league with 38 games is a better reflection of X,Y,Z' mentality. League titles are often decided by a small amount of points, 4 or less. It is more than possible to win a league title by a number of points that falls within a reasonable 'margin of error', making it impossible to actually say the one team is superior than the other. The same is true of goal difference and anything else you want to measure over the whole season. We are not trying to decide 'the better pointer of quality over a season,' if were trying to find an 'objective pointer' we'd just give the league title to both teams in case of a draw or even a close proximity of points. It's a competition, not a data analysis problem.
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What do you mean? How they are seen now, or in general? Because in general, the only club that scares madridistas is bayern munich, and maybe juventus, due to historical precedents. Milan used to, but when they were Milan...i'd say bayern and milan were the two clubs who we saw as peers. Now it's only bayern
Right now though, the PL is seen as the strongest league and its best teams of course are scary.
I don't think PL clubs inspire a lot of fear these days because who is at the top of the PL is fairly fluid (except for City, who'd had issues in European competition) so it's hard to keep that reputation.
Ten years ago, sure, United or Chelsea were pretty scary.
I think it always depends on the relative strengths of the teams. In the late 2000s the top four in the Premier was rather strong, but some years after that most English clubs were ending their cycles, Barcelona kept on being strong, Madrid became very strong (as compared to the late 2000s) and other clubs like Atletico and Sevilla were also getting very good results in Europe, with two CL finals and 3 Europa Leagues respectively. During those years the fear was very reduced.
Now you can see the likes of City, Chelsea, Liverpool, United being in different stages of more mature projects (especially City), and the Spanish counterparts needing to renew the squads, so it's normal English sides are way more feared now.
It depends, if you're talking about the press sometimes I think they underestimate some teams and overestimate others. A couple of seasons ago I thought of Liverpool as the scariest one in terms of drawing them, then you have people considering City the best side in England and while it might be true whenever we draw them I'm confident we're going to trash them; it's not something related to their quality or strength as a team but more like their lack of experience within the competition in the latter stages, something like a mental block by them.
Currently I think Chelsea, City and Liverpool have the greatest potential and while I don't quite fancy United as a top team any of the current top 4/5 teams in the Premier League have enough quality in their ranks so those ties are always attractive with a lot of expectation around them.
Mendy out for the rest of the season. Odriozola probably out for the next game too.