Robbie Savage: Man Utd are the real deal - whoever finishes above them next season will win the title

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I like how he randomly throws Kane into the transfer mix along with Sancho, because yeah, that'll happen for sure.
And that our whole attacking line up now is based on touch movement and speed. As well as the fact Kane would cost ludicrous money, I'm genuinely not sure he'd fit the dynamic we're building.
It's like the situation with Firmino, he suits their system, but very few would have him individually over a lot of better finishers.
 

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Savage is jumping the gun, but in fairness Alisson and Fabinho, along with the signing of van Dijk the Winter window before, transformed Liverpool from 4/5th place in the League to contenders, missing out by a point to an incredible City team.

If we could get similar type signings in calibre, then I don't see why we can't at least push to break that stranglehold that City and Liverpool have on the top 2 places. I feel we'll be comfortably ahead of Chelsea as we have 3 proven PL goalscorers in Rashford, Martial and Greenwood (early days but you can see he's a natural goalscorer), whereas Werner is a bit of an unknown (looks like a fantastic player, but Bundesliga is nowhere near the PL), along with the ageing Giroud and loss of Willian (jury is still out on Abraham for me). They also lack that WC quality we have with Bruno and Pogba in midfield.

I don't know why he has thrown Kane into the mix, I feel like the Harry Kane to United ship sailed about 3/4 years ago, and a part of me actually feels Ole wouldn't swap him for Martial in the current squad, the fluidity of the front 3 is one of the pivotal components in our style of play, and Harry Kane can't replicae also looks to be entering an early decline, has lost that degree of pace and physicality he had due to injuries.

Look, I'm not saying I agree with Savage at all, far from it. There are still too many question marks around this team. But given the current form of the squad, if we signed Sancho, Koulibaly and a top CDM in the mould of Ruben Neves then I would be very disappointed if we were only looking to cement a top 4 spot.

DDG
AWB Koulibaly Maguire Shaw
Pogba Neves Bruno
Sancho Martial Rashford/Greenwood

That team can 100% challenge for the league. So yeah, I get what Savage is saying, we're only 2/3 players off. Still, its early days to be making these kind of claims. Let's just secure CL football once more, and become relevant again.

We've been in the wilderness far too long, but for the first time in a long time, there's daylight ahead.
Agree totally.

We'll do very well next year based on two critical factors.

Game changing signings and luck with injuries.

You add Sancho and a top centre back to the mix, and we'll have a superb starting eleven, and while people talk about strength in depth, Liverpool don't actually have that for any position bar centre mid, where for me, they have 5-6 like for like ability players. They can't come close to quality for keeper, full backs, VD or the front 3.
 

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And that our whole attacking line up now is based on touch movement and speed. As well as the fact Kane would cost ludicrous money, I'm genuinely not sure he'd fit the dynamic we're building.
It's like the situation with Firmino, he suits their system, but very few would have him individually over a lot of better finishers.
Kane wouldn't fit our style of play at all, he'd just slow us down. Would he even get in the team given the form of our front three?

Sancho is another matter entirely, he looks tailormade for our system and he's in the right age bracket. I hope Woody is prepared to break the bank for him.
 

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Agree totally.

We'll do very well next year based on two critical factors.

Game changing signings and luck with injuries.

You add Sancho and a top centre back to the mix, and we'll have a superb starting eleven, and while people talk about strength in depth, Liverpool don't actually have that for any position bar centre mid, where for me, they have 5-6 like for like ability players. They can't come close to quality for keeper, full backs, VD or the front 3.
The only team in the PL with real strength in depth is City, disregarding their defence of course. Even still, Walker/Cancelo and Mendy/Zinchenko is nothing to scoff at. Its CB where their problem has been.

Agreed. Keita, Wijnaldum, and Oxlade Chamberlain are very interchangeable, as are Henderson and Fabinho.

Yeah definitely, if we have no major injuries and a 2/3 big signings then things are looking promising. And we don't need two 11's either. We need 14/15 core, dependable and quality players to compete on multiple fronts. Having too many players can also be a hindrance, I feel like Pep trying to keep all his players happy this season and too much rotation has led to their struggle for form.

If we have a set starting 11, a couple game changers on the bench, and dependable like Fred, Lindelof, Romero, Williams, then that's looking pretty good to me.
 

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Technically this means that if no one finishes above us then no one wins the title.

Also if we come fourth then three teams win the title. And if we placed 20th then two of our fellow relegatees would share the title with seventeen others.

Maybe he knows about some new rule change.
There's been enough rule changes this season...!
 

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Never rated Savage and not sure if I ever will, obviously I hope he's right but most of us fans know we still need two or three signings to give City & Liverpool a run for their money.
 

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Never rated Savage and not sure if I ever will, obviously I hope he's right but most of us fans know we still need two or three signings to give City & Liverpool a run for their money.
In fairness he's saying we'd compete with those signings. Not without.
 

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With a good transfer window we should secure Top2-3 with ease and actually challenge the dippers and City.
 

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I think it's also important to consider the following points

A. City had an injury crisis this season that dropped them a whole bunch of points. Liverpool were not really impacted by that the last 2 seasons and its bound to come back eventually (from a pure statistics point of view)

B. Liverpool sure as hell better hope they don't lose mane, for me, personally, he's the key player who breaks down stubborn defences

C. With more competition, there's more pressure in every game. There's more slip ups. Having a competitive top 4 throws a lot of spanners in the works.

D. Also I think this season some of the teams in the lower half of the table have shown how to pressure Liverpool and get results from them. If not for some rather outrageous incompetence in front of goals, liverpool were dropping points against some of them, ie other teams have a blue print to now follow
Totally false. Eventually yeah, in the next 1-2 seasons, not nenccesarly.

There is nothing to suggest that just because they did not get injured in the last 2 seasons they are gonna get injured soon (or the other way around, that other clubs who had injuries won't have injuries soon). That would be like throwing heads 5 times in a row, and then for the sixth time expecting tails to have a higher chance of happening than 50-50.

I agree with the other points though.
 

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4. Chelsea

I'm not buying the hype around Chelsea at all. They have been rubbish this year and I expect them to be pretty rubbish again next year without major surgery in the transfer window. I couldn't give a monkeys if they have signed Werner or Zayich....their defence and GK are well below the standard required. Since all of this talk started about them challenging for the title next year, on the back of the agreement with Werner, they have conceded 5 goals against West Ham and Palace. Seriously, that's not going to get you anywhere near a challenge. I expect that situation will only get worse as well as the likes of Rudiger, Azpi, Alonso and Kante are going to be steadily declining (probably are already).

I am also not convinced by Frank Lampard. I don't care about credentials and I don't think a manager has to be a tactical genius (he has coaches and analysts for that) but I've yet to see ANY evidence he can set a team up to be greater than the sum of it's parts. I've seen it with Ole many times. I've even seen it already with Mikel Arteta (I was tempted to put Arsenal 4th then gave my head a shake!) but I've seen NOTHING from Frank at all to suggest he's a top football manager.

Again, the positive is Pulisic looks fantastic and they do have two new players coming into the squad with decent reputations. IF they can conjure up two full backs, two CMs, two CBs and a GK from somewhere I might think about bumping them to 2nd/3rd
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Ffs, what a stupid headline when you're in 5th and 34 points behind the leaders.

Yes, you're in excellent form but you cannot just forget the period pre-Fernandes where you were poor on many occasions. You have a good chance of solidifying a top 4 position next year if you make the right squad additions but right now your squad isn't good enough to win the league.

The teams that are winning the league since the 16-17 season are finishing on 90+ points. We could have 2 teams in the past 3 years to break the 100 points barrier while winning the title. (EDIT: They've also all won 30+ games, so if you win all your remaining games then you'll finish on 20 total wins so that's 10 wins you need to make up on).

You win all of your remaining games and you'll finish on 70 points so you need to make up at least 20 points to win the league you'd say based on the last couple of seasons. It's achievable and it's been done when everything clicks together but I really think that overall squad needs a lot of work until it will be possible. Signs are there though if you get Sancho and one or two more nice additions that you'll be in a great spot to do so in the next couple of years but i think next season is just a bit early.
Liverpool finished 4th and on 75 points in the 2017/18 season. The season after that they finished on 97 points, one point behind City

City will finish on around 80 points this year. A difference of almost 20 points from the last couple of years. And before their 100 points season, they finished on 78 points

We have every chance of finishing on 90+ points if we buy Sancho and a CD/CM...and have better luck with injuries
 

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We just need squad depth, we can’t go from Bruno to Andreas/Lingard or Greenwood to Mata/James the drop off is too much.

We really need a good summer to stand a chance, that or be incredibly lucky with injuries.
This 100%
 

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Not that Savage's opinion counts for anything but his and the English dismissal of Martial despite significant improvement in his first full season as a 9 with Andreas and Lingard behind irks of agenda to me. We dont need Kane!
 

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We are improving greatly but realistically far behind the top 2. They will improve, as will Chelsea. We need to improve in certain positions to mount a sustained challenge,.
 

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So Martial, who has excellent hold-up play, vision, range of passing, first touch, dribbling ability, clinicial finisher & is an absolute workhorse that can be part of blistering counterattacks and silky interchanges where he switches from the centre out to the right or out to the left, needs to be replaced by a 1 dimensional striker that doesn't fit our system, that can't play on the left or the right or be part of blistering counter attacks? Is there a reason to make this switch for anything OTHER than the fact that Kane is English and Martial French? Utter nonsense.

Apart from that, I can agree that this looks like more than a blip and that we are infact the real deal right now.
 

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Kane wouldn't fit our style of play at all, he'd just slow us down. Would he even get in the team given the form of our front three?

Sancho is another matter entirely, he looks tailormade for our system and he's in the right age bracket. I hope Woody is prepared to break the bank for him.
Agreed on Sancho but disagree on Kane. His hold up, strength, close control, passing and football brain are superb. We don't need to discuss his finishing right? His only weakness is pace and dribling, but the #9 role in our current system don't need much of both imo.

You can notice Martial barely did any dribbling or pacey sprint recently. Especially when we're in possession. His job is rather to hold the ball, link the play then move up waiting other to set him up. Kane would fit really well with our current style imo. However it's true that we don't need him now though. Martial has done a terrific job.
 

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Apparently hes more adaptable than Sir Alex. That man who ruled over football, at 1 club, throughout generations of players
 

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Currently hailing Pep as the best manager of all time on BT Sport due to that fact that he's won league titles with a false 9.
I don't mind Savage as a rule, but he was on real twat mode tonight.

He's the king of the declaring the current as the best.
Wasn't he saying Liverpool would be the best of all time last season?
Yet City were the season before.

He'll have been saying Tottenham were genuine contenders for those 3 games they hit form too.
 

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I think Pep is definitely part of that discussion. Especially if he can continue winning for the next 6/7 years. But the criteria for being the best manager is not “can you do it without a number 9”.
 

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I don't mind Savage as a rule, but he was on real twat mode tonight.

He's the king of the declaring the current as the best.
Wasn't he saying Liverpool would be the best of all time last season?
Yet City were the season before.

He'll have been saying Tottenham were genuine contenders for those 3 games they hit form too.
Yup. He does it a lot. Tbf to him he’s usually very pro United but just gets overly carried away with as you said, declaring the current as the best.
What was funny though was Man City man Lescott basically disagreeing.
 

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I don't mind Savage as a rule, but he was on real twat mode tonight.
Yep, making it sound like our side should have been better than Leicester's because it cost more :houllier:

Yeah let's discount how much older Matic & Mata are now than when we signed them
 

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Yup. He does it a lot. Tbf to him he’s usually very pro United but just gets overly carried away with as you said, declaring the current as the best.
What was funny though was Man City man Lescott basically disagreeing.
Lescott knows it's utterly ridiculous to rank anyone above a guy who put about 4 teams together and won double digit titles over 20 years.
Versus a guy who picked up the richest team, and best squad, and whose best players at City are still 4-5 of the ones he inherited.

The Barce and Bayern stuff doesn't win an argument about "genius" either. One of the best squads in history at Barcelona with a few all time greats, and the one team in Germany, both the richest at the time too.
 

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Yep, making it sound like our side should have been better than Leicester's because it cost more :houllier:

Yeah let's discount how much older Matic & Mata are now than when we signed them
He's an absolute numbnut.

It's a back 4 who are backups, 2 centre mid veterans, 2 youngster wide players. It was a ridiculous understrength team, yet we still gave them a decent game.

Could you imagine Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal etc making 10 changes and doing as well?
 

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He's in a bit of a trolling mood on BT. Just said Rodgers could manage any club in the world and gave Rio a look straight after he said it. Clearly on a wind up.
 

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I think Pep is definitely part of that discussion. Especially if he can continue winning for the next 6/7 years. But the criteria for being the best manager is not “can you do it without a number 9”.
Not if he needs another billion to do it, which he no doubt will.
 

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I think Pep is definitely part of that discussion. Especially if he can continue winning for the next 6/7 years. But the criteria for being the best manager is not “can you do it without a number 9”.
It's easy when half your second string players would get into no.2 in the league's first team.
 

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Pep is a conundrum. Obviously his teams are great, but if he isn’t inheriting the best club side of all time, he’s taking over the richest and most dominant club in their respective league. The money he’s spent at City boggles the mind. So yeah, they are great, and he’s a great manager, but he’s also had unrivalled tools with which to achieve his goals. Just the way he’s gone through 50m defenders to find the right combination is laughable.
 

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He's in a bit of a trolling mood on BT. Just said Rodgers could manage any club in the world and gave Rio a look straight after he said it. Clearly on a wind up.
Rio's been tearing him apart all night to be fair, I think Robbie's in a bit of a mood over it.
 

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Currently hailing Pep as the best manager of all time on BT Sport due to that fact that he's won league titles with a false 9.
Winning it with Cleverly Ando, Welbeck etc. is nothing compared to what Saint Pep has achieved with his modest squad.
 

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Technically this means that if no one finishes above us then no one wins the title.

Also if we come fourth then three teams win the title. And if we placed 20th then two of our fellow relegatees would share the title with seventeen others.

Maybe he knows about some new rule change.
He obviously knew this was gonna happen.