I'm only being pedantic because you jumped in with an impossible to prove interpretation of a comment about management. I haven't parrotted anything and haven't mentioned Pep since my first post.
Front 3. Rashford Cavani Greenwood.
Really? I think it’s up there with our most wasteful passing performances this whole season, sooo many wayward simple passes.
I didn't say he was very limited.
So you're saying that either we get the best players around by paying or we won't be winning the league. But by this point of view if you only need money to win the league then Big Sam or Moyes could do it.
Your totally distorting a pretty basic observation to undo a point that you brought up yourself.
Pep has always inherited and been able to get the players he wants. It would have been interesting if we had somehow fooled him into coming here with Ed's smooth talking. Would they have loosened the purse strings or would he have had a nasty shock.
I don't think he would have been backed as much as at City, but all our managers have been backed, significantly. It just comes up short when comparing to City.
This is hilarious.
It's the ridiculous statement of, "Ole beat Pep" I have issue with.This is hilarious.
You took me to task for questioning Schmeichelscartwheel when he said Ole was 'very limited tactically'
If you weren't backing him up and don't think he was correct when why have you bothered arguing with me over it?
Of course it hasn't been "backed up by the manager". Ole didn't say "I'm great at man management, but I suck at tactics". Yet some people here treat that statement as if that was what he'd said.
This is more than a bounce at this stage my man. Sometimes new managers come in and do even worse. I don't know why you think we were bound to improve under any manager. A lot of people were talking about us getting relegated or falling into obscurity under him. Now that he's shown how good he is they're questioning the fact that we haven't won the treble yet.
No but the implication was clear. He prioritises man management and delegates the tactical aspect to coaches and assistants.
So you take what I said out of context of what I was responding to and completely ignore that my issue was with the statement they Ole is 'very limited tactically'?
I didn't miss the point. I told you why I called out your reply, because it used the clichéd response of Ole beating Pep.
We're at cross purposes here.
I was just poking you for using "there" when it should be "their".Front 3. Rashford Cavani Greenwood.
Who they got? I said wingers so I’m looking at the left and the right. Tell me who you would swap for Rashford and Greenwood?
Unless you was one of those who thought Werner was the new Lewindoski
I didn’t pick anything as I made it clear already in my last post that we are stronger in our XI/main players, they are stronger in the squad depth. Our squad depth have let us down many times this season which what cost us the UCL, FA Cup & league title. On the other hand, Chelsea’s squad depth have helped them to last in the competition as long as they can. Thus, there is zero common sense to say that Tuchel will do the same or better with our squad that lacks squad depth quality, agree?
Ohhh. Whosh!! Straight over my head. I did have to read what I said a few times to figure out what you was picking out from what I said.I was just poking you for using "there" when it should be "their".
We already got our expensive CB signing, so I'm not sure if we'll spend big on another one. And Ole hasn't shown interest in buying DM's thus far, he seemingly prefers his two 6's to be multifaceted. The only position on that list that seems viable is the RW, and even then Ole has said Greenwood will play there and he's been impressing, so that may not happen either.
But even look at your opinion on players below. It’s not even clear there that they have better squad depth.
Please elaborate? Because it’s so clear there when you look at the blue colour majority indicates the squad depth.
If there is quality in the squad depth, the rotation wouldn’t be poor. For instance, we played our strongest squad vs Milan and weaker side vs Leicester in FA Cup, what happened? Got knocked out. We dropped our main players vs Istanbul away, we lost 2-1 but beat them 4-1 when we played our main one. All those 0-0 draws as well as the yesterday lost reflects to poor quality in squad depth.
Your point on Tuchel can do same or even better than what he has done at Chelsea with this squad is also hypothetical then. That’s literary the point I was telling you, your logic has zero common sense and it’s purely your made-up based on weak/lazy evidence. If you watch Tuchel (Chelsea), he rotates because he has quality in his squad depth, what he does cannot support your logic due to lack of quality in our squad depth.
Excellent post.
At times this can be so draining. It’s probably how Ed Woodward thinks.. Infact i’m certain this is how Woodward has conversations with football agents.
Your Mum ain’t getting the United job mate. I’m sure £8m a year is appealing though. I’d promote my Mum for the job too.
lovely bit of satire.I don’t know who John Cleese is... I know Christopher Wallace.
Cut the crap @Mainoldo
Are you forgetting the fact that we tried that before and those players still let us down? This led the manager not to have faith in them result in only playing players who are actually good enough.
Well, no. What I'm saying is that he's done an OK job, no more no less. He's an unproven manager in a big club that can spend what 95% of football clubs worldwide won't (cause they don't have the funds) in 100 years and he's earning his stripes in top level. I'm not trying to accuse him for spending, as I said, if you can why not. Money is power and Man United is a powerful club. Why can't we accept that maybe someone else could have done any better?
Nah, City were paving the ground since his friends Soriano and Txhiki left Barcelona. They changed a lot of things behind the scenes, academies, style of football etc.
I don't get why you think that any other manager besides Ole couldn't do any better.
Because supposedly better managers tried and failed. Ole has turned the club around. We went from a being listing behemoth to fully righted and cruising. For me this shows that Ole's understanding of the club is the most important piece of his skill set.
You’re better than that comebackMatic: 11
Rudiger/Christensen Azpi and CHO weren’t getting minutes under Frank so based on your argument the manager didn’t deem them good enough to do a job so why should I now think they are better than our players when McTominay and James get minutes and have been helped us remain second compared to a squad that is beneath us? I’ll go with the group that has us second. I don’t see why you disagree but if you do,Tell me why?
What about Tomori? A manager thought he wasn’t good enough. He went to a new team with a new manager who believes he is good enough and he is showing he is. This could well be the case for Axel but let’s not bring hypotheticals into this as I got schooled about this word already.
As someone who argues for a living, bravo! I doubt you'll get a like for a post like this, but justsomebloke has a like in my heart.
How can a manager have a good rotation if there is no quality in the squad depth?
Matic: 11
McTominay: 23
Fred: 26
Van de Beek: 3
Bruno: 34
Pogba: 20
Those are starting Prem appearance. That is not good squad rotation.
Fernandinho: 11
Gundogan: 21
Rodri: 29
De Bruyne: 22
Silva: 22
Foden: 15
Looks a lot more balanced doesn’t it. Don’t tell me it’s a trust thing because our worst players McFred have the most minutes
Your argument is about what Tuchel can do with this squad mate not Frank. You seem to be all over the place not knowing your own original argument here.
That's why he went to Serie A. Have you been watching Serie A? I doubt it.
That's @Mainoldo for you. The guy couldn't construct a coherent argument to save his life, and I'm unsure if he even tries to.
The "we've tried more experienced managers and failed" and the "understanding of the club" are just lazy excuses for wishful thinking.
