I feel comforted that so many Jews are abhored by what they're seeing in the comments.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
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stay safe mate and god bless.And by @owlo 's logic they are anti-semetic.
Bud, there's a separate thread for this.
And again - my comments in this thread were solely directed at the American right wing evangelical voter.
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Thankfully he is still alive
I’m sure the vast majority of Israelis (never mind Jews in other countries) find any sort of violence towards unarmed civilians abhorrent. Never mind something as sickening as that video.
I can’t work out what’s happening though. Why was that car singled out? Who was the guy getting attacked? And by whom?
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That's ok, I just wanted to make it plain that the below quote is completely inaccurate.
“Moderate condition” about as good as you’d hope for watching that footage. Fecking animals. Absolutely grim to watch.
Guess they learned a trick or two from the nazis about making people identify themselves with symbols etc
Netanyahu's Willing Executioners.
Yeah surprised at his condition. I wasn't sure to post it at first because it looked like the guy had been killed.
And due to conscription all trained killers... which is handy if you want a night of the broken windows style rampage with added lynching
Benni really will go to any lengths to keep in power won't he...
You'd think that would be true but I'm often left wondering how it can be the case. This violence isn't exactly occurring spontaneously, it has indirect support.
I don't think that's unique to Israelis though as it seems most countries have a sizeable population with the worst intentions these days. Even if its masked under the normality of getting on with life.
Can’t be that. There was another car right beside his, also with yellow plates, that drove away unmolested. The first few seconds of the footage would make you wonder if maybe he tried to drive his car into the crowd?
As a matter of interest, has it been noted by anyone here that over a thousand missiles have been launched at Israel in the last few days, with the intent of killing as many people as possible?
Is there a reason the Arab nations don't support the Palestinians with firepower? Israel is in the surrounded by Muslim countries but the Palestinians don't seem to have any support.
As a matter of interest, why are you an Israel apologist?
I’m willing to assume most people are essentially good. But it doesn’t take a very big minority of evil bigots to cause very bad things to happen.
We’re obviously used to this in Ireland. The silent majority just want to get on with their lives peacefully and want the same for everyone else, no matter what religion. It’s the vocal fringe elements that cause all the disorder but they’re only a very tiny % of the overall population.
Because Israel has defeated them all in prior military engagements and enjoy the benefit of $4 billion a year in US military aid.
That's because they had help. Israel assisted them to counter the more secular PLO -
https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
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Shit like these scenes isn’t helpful. Both sides are actively rioting in the streets.
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What about the likes of the Saudis? They are RICH, also supported by the west with weapons supply.
I'm not. I'm simply wondering what Hamas would do with more sophisticated weaponry, and how it would be justified here right now,
There's a longer video here (very repetitive). You can see the driver reversing away from what seems to be a pursuing crowd. He crashes into the car behind him, then accelerates forward into the crowd that were chasing him. He then crashes into the car in front and the crowd drag him out:
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Don’t worry about me guys I locked myself up in my apartment since last nights events. Tonight is much much worse. It’s surreal.
They might lose that support if they attacked. Plus their forces aren't that good. Israel would wipe the floor with them.
Oh ffs.
My word the videos and the images of the mobs marching down the streets.. this is horrifying
Saudis and Israel are in bed together to feck with Iran and Turkey.
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stay safe man. Seems awfully scary out there at the moment.
That’s cool and all, but I didn’t post that one
Listen mate you can stop it with the unnecessary skepticism. There’s hundreds of videos like this circling around. It’s police aided lynching all over the country.
Youve spent your whole time on this thread questioning the behaviour of the Palestinians. You're an Israel apologist.
I'm sure you'd have said Britain was in the wrong for trying to defend Europe against the Germans.
I acknowledge I have a bias for the importance of detail. However I’m fully with you on the need to remain clear-sighted about the bigger picture - achieving the correct balance in this is one of the primary tasks for anyone attempting to clarify matters.
That doesn’t mean that things cannot be explained in a way accessible to everyone. But I don’t think understanding is served by dishonesty and manipulation, however subtle. This approach I think tends to further entrench the absolutism that already characterizes so much of the debate, and invites a response in kind (e.g. I’ve seen the four maps flipped on pro-Israeli websites to show how Palestinian autonomy apparently only emerged for the first time in history due to Israeli generosity). And for me there can be no civilized end to all this until people can feel ok about climbing down from entrenched, absolutist positions without conceding what they feel is the basic legitimacy of their claim. It’s not about false equivalences, but just acknowledging a shared history from which there is no escape.
In any case, I think peoples’ dismissal of or emphasis on the importance of detail is often dependent on whether it supports or undermines their core assumptions, not a question of principle. (E.g. I’d guess that plenty of people who might dismiss my critique of the maps as missing the bigger picture would have no problem whatsoever with my response to @owlo’s claim earlier - made also and in a slightly different way by Mark Regev in a video posted earlier - that the Mizrachim were basically expelled en masse from the Arab states after 1948).
So unfortunately no country is prepared to offer support because the size and power of the Israeli army?
Your post actually nicely illustrates one problem with the maps as they are presented. The line of approach and claims on a very specific and important aspect of the history of the topic - control of land - are set/determined by the maps themselves and the way they are presented, not by my response. Yet it is impossible to critique them without getting dragged into the mud and apparently appearing to endorse an alternative narrative which I also actually reject. That is often the case in challenging propaganda and clarifying history unfortunately. But for the reasons given above to @neverdie I believe it’s something worth doing.
Can't see the instagram video (or photo). Has it been deleted?
You can see what Israel are doing with theirs. What point are you trying to make?