Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

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Simliar records and the PSG owners chose to sack Tuchel and they did it at Christmas and after a 4-0 win.

I think that tells us these are ruthless owners at PSG and for Poch to manage PSG again next season he will likely have to nick this league title off Lille.
Tuchel openly criticized the way the club is being run and said you not only have to manage the team but the club politics. He was not sacked for their record. As long as Poch is not calling out the administration, I think he gets another season.
 

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Told everyone for years that he is immune to trophies. Somehow managed to not win the league with PSG.
 

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He should certainly get a full season & at least a transfer window under his belt to be judged, 3 month with some primadonas without drive and motivation can be sometimes hard switching to way more physical play.. Ole looked way out of his depth too, and only lately after three seasons it looks like there is something coming. Certainly it's too much time imo but giving him a full season should totally be fair, unless it's a total fiasco..
 

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They'll judge him on next season. This season PSG should finish 2nd (unless Lille slip up), may yet win both domestic cups, got to CL semis beating Barca and Bayern in the progress. It's not successful season but it's enough for Pochettino to get his first full season.
 

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How can you feck up not winning the league with that squad in Ligue 1? The humiliation.
 

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Tuchel openly criticized the way the club is being run and said you not only have to manage the team but the club politics. He was not sacked for their record. As long as Poch is not calling out the administration, I think he gets another season.
Appointing Poch as Tuchel replacement shows how they are ran. The sporting director Leonardo wanted to appoint Allegri but their board went with the cheaper option instead.

As I said already regardless to what's goes on behind scenes this sport is a results business and where targets must be met especially for wealthy owners with ambition to win trophies. The main desire of the PSG owner is to win the Champions League and he wouldn't be too pleased with their tame exit to Man City and not winning the French league (low hanging fruit) could spell the end as Poch as manager of PSG. A term as short as Rafa with Inter and it will be interesting to see will Allegri be eventually brought in
 

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I'm not going to point fingers but you could always check out the sack ole thread around 1st December 2019. Those were crazy times with some wild posts. Those most active in that thread don't really post much in the United forum any more.
Oh I put about 15 of the worst on ignore, and I can assure you that more than half are still very much active. And the majority of them hasn't changed viewpoints - they still want him gone :)
 

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Taken to penalties in the cup semi v Montpelier. Potential for a trophyless season... again.
 

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Taken to penalties in the cup semi v Montpelier. Potential for a trophyless season... again.
His hope and his fans for a trophy lives on and tonight was against a mid table Montpellier at that and PSG had to rely on the individual brilliance of Mbappe to avoid a defeat.
 

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After 11 years in management Poch has finally won a trophy :eek:

low hanging fruit with a side that are expected to win all trophies in France each season but his fanboys won't care as they will be over the moon tonight.
 

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What an achievement. Win Coupe de France with PSG. Wow!
 

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Told everyone for years that he is immune to trophies. Somehow managed to not win the league with PSG.
He's won 2 trophies (1 meaningful) in less than 6 months at the first team that he would've truly been expected to win at. Still in for an unlikely league title, and rightly he would've been expected to overturn what, a 1 point deficit(?) In the months he's been there. That will count against him if he doesn't win it.

Obviously that isn't the be all and end all. Arteta won the FA Cup with impressive results and performances along the way and look at him this year.

I am really interested in how he goes next season after a pre-season and hopefully some signings that he wants. See if he wins the league and how he wins it.
 

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After 11 years in management Poch has finally won a trophy :eek:

low hanging fruit with a side that are expected to win all trophies in France each season but his fanboys won't care as they will be over the moon tonight.
More like his anti fans being obsessed with him getting his trophy. Sad.
 

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More like his anti fans being obsessed with him getting his trophy. Sad.
Can't speak for others but I'm pleased for him, 11 years a long wait and who can forget his tears when just leading Tottenham to a final? At least he controlled his emotions better tonight.
 

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After 11 years in management Poch has finally won a trophy :eek:

low hanging fruit with a side that are expected to win all trophies in France each season but his fanboys won't care as they will be over the moon tonight.
I think what this does demonstrate clearly though is winning trophies is as much about circumstance. Isn't it a coincidence that after years of Poch not having a good enough winning mentality to win a trophy, he's won 2 in 6 months. It's almost as if, he's gone from having unfavourable circumstances at his previous clubs to very favourable circumstances at his current club.

To me finishing 2nd on 86 points with Spurs, and reaching the CL final would be a better demonstration of his managerial ability than the 2 trophies he's won now. But he gets credit for neither. The only way he could ever get credit for being a good manager would be to win the league or champions league in unfavourable circumstances.

I remember Carragher being asked about going into management and he said when he sees the likes of Pochettino and Rodgers getting slated it makes him think what's the point, you can be a good manager but unless you're in the small group of coaches who win the big 2 trophies it's almost impossible to get any credit (and even then you get people saying "he's just done what's expected given the team/money/league").

Winning the league cup or FA cup with Spurs would have put him alongside managers like Alex Mcleish, Redknapp, Arteta, Laudrup, Martinez who have all delivered these trophies in recent times - hardly something that will add much credit to your name as you can see from the list.
 
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Wenger won plenty FA cups in his last 4 years or so at Arsenal, doesn't mean those years were successful in any way for him or Arsenal, in fact they were not. Arteta's won it last season, doesn't mean he'll be a success for Arsenal and hasn't been so far. LvG won it for us but his reign was failure unlike Pochettino's Tottenham reign.
 

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I think what this does demonstrate clearly though is winning trophies is as much about circumstance. Isn't it a coincidence that after years of Poch not having a good enough winning mentality to win a trophy, he's won 2 in 6 months. It's almost as if, he's gone from having unfavourable circumstances at his previous clubs to very favourable circumstances at his current club.

To me finishing 2nd on 86 points with Spurs, and reaching the CL final would be a better demonstration of his managerial ability than the 2 trophies he's won now. But he gets credit for neither. The only way he could ever get credit for being a good manager would be to win the league or champions league in unfavourable circumstances.

I remember Carragher being asked about going into management and he said when he sees the likes of Pochettino and Rodgers getting slated it makes him think what's the point, you can be a good manager but unless you're in the small group of coaches who win the big 2 trophies it's almost impossible to get any credit.

Winning the league cup or FA cup with Spurs would have put him alongside managers like Alex Mcleish, Redknapp, Arteta, Laudrup, Martinez who have all delivered these trophies in recent times - hardly something that will add much credit to your name as you can see from the list.
2nd with Spurs is agurably better than winning a French cup with PSG where its harder to lose than win trophies with them in France.

Could be 2 on Sunday if Lille slip up but right now he's won 1 thus far, nobody counted Moyes winning a trophy with United when the community shield was won the same applies for the French version.

For a manager of his high ranking/praise he should have won at least 1 trophy in his time at Spurs, the 2015/16 PL title looked to be Tottenhams to lose only to finish 3rd and in seasons before leading Spurs to a CL final they made a few early exits from the Europa league and many pundits and journalists expected Spurs to build on that 2019 CL appearance instead Pochettino found himself sacked within 6 months.
 

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2nd with Spurs is agurably better than winning a French cup with PSG where its harder to lose than win trophies with them in France.

Could be 2 on Sunday if Lille slip up but right now he's won 1 thus far, nobody counted Moyes winning a trophy with United when the community shield won the same applies for the French version.

For a manager of his high ranking/praise he should have won at least 1 trophy in his time at Spurs, the 2015/16 PL title looked to be Tottenhams to lose only to finish 3rd and in seasons before leading Spurs to a CL final they made a few early exits from the Europa league and many pundits and journalists expected Spurs to build on that 2019 CL appearance instead Pochettino found himself sacked within 6 months.
Again, what did winning the league cup for Spurs do for Laudrup? Is Alex Mcleish given credit for being a top manager because he's won it? Arteta is a laughing stock on this forum less than 12 months after delivering the FA cup. It seems to me most of the people who won't give any credit to managers who haven't won trophies also give no credit to managers who have delivered what's known as the tin pot trophies. He'd have to win a league title or CL in unfavourable circumstances to actually get any real credit.
 

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Again, what did winning the league cup for Spurs Swansea do for Laudrup? Is Alex Mcleish given credit for being a top manager because he's won it? Arteta is a laughing stock on this forum less than 12 months after delivering the FA cup. It seems to me most of the people who won't give any credit to managers who haven't won trophies also give no credit to managers who have delivered what's known as the tin pot trophies. He'd have to win a league title or CL in unfavourable circumstances to actually get any real credit.
Pochettino is well rated, but just not as highly as those who have won in unfavourable circumstances as you mention. Like Sir Alex at Aberdeen, or Klopp at Dortmund.
 

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Again, what did winning the league cup for Spurs do for Laudrup? Is Alex Mcleish given credit for being a top manager because he's won it? Arteta is a laughing stock on this forum less than 12 months after delivering the FA cup. It seems to me most of the people who won't give any credit to managers who haven't won trophies also give no credit to managers who have delivered what's known as the tin pot trophies. He'd have to win a league title or CL in unfavourable circumstances to actually get any real credit.
Not a matter of what it did for them for most they didn't build on their success. You listed a group of names that aren't ranked as highly as Pochettino so he should have won at least 1 trophy at his time with Spurs and I gave you a few examples that wasn't unfavourable circumstances (2015/16 Premier league and the few Europa league campaigns)
 
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Win today and tour de france trophy is his. Or maybe not.

You know what I like Poch but feck PSG, I hope Lille win the league.
 

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Seems like losing the league title to Lille.

You can take the man out of Spurs, but you can't take Spurs out of the man.
 

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Not his fault, he didn't have a pre season, lots of big egos in the dressing room, etc
 
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