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ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg

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You need to work harder on staying limber, my dude. Rage against the dying of the light.
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should try Giggs yoga
africanspur said:
For the better?
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not in terms of flexibility!

in all seriousness - the world is changing quickly, I don’t see the point harping on about opportunities that were available 10 years ago. We need to be looking at different ways of doing things, irrespective of brexit or not.
 

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ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
in all seriousness - the world is changing quickly, I don’t see the point harping on about opportunities that were available 10 years ago. We need to be looking at different ways of doing things, irrespective of brexit or not.
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There's probably not much point going on a circular conversation around this topic again but I feel like this is a bit like shooting your leg off with a shotgun and then saying well the world is changing, we need to do things differently.

The opportunities were still available to our kids 5 years ago and are still available to tens of millions of young Europeans across mainland Europe now, while their countries can still adapt as normal and engage in new opportunities in an ever changing world.
 

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Of course it's slightly disingenuous because young people will continue to go abroad and do working holiday type holidays. And of course his own now fiancee came to do the same thing as him without being an EU citizen.

She'll have jumped through a damned sight more hoops than he's had to though.
 

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africanspur said:
There's probably not much point going on a circular conversation around this topic again but I feel like this is a bit like shooting your leg off with a shotgun and then saying well the world is changing, we need to do things differently.

The opportunities were still available to our kids 5 years ago and are still available to tens of millions of young Europeans across mainland Europe now, while their countries can still adapt as normal and engage in new opportunities in an ever changing world.
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I agree - no point in a circular discussion.

I was talking more generally. People don’t like change, and often look to the past, whereas we need to be looking forward on an an individual level.
 

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africanspur said:
Of course it's slightly disingenuous because young people will continue to go abroad and do working holiday type holidays. And of course his own now fiancee came to do the same thing as him without being an EU citizen.

She'll have jumped through a damned sight more hoops than he's had to though.
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Nope. Pretty much all Argentinians have Italian passport.
 

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This is disgraceful!

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-arriving-in-uk-being-locked-up-and-expelled

EU citizens arriving in UK being locked up and expelled

Europeans with job interviews tell of detentions and expulsions despite rules allowing non-visa holders to attend interviews

Eugenia, a 24-year-old woman from the Basque region of northern Spain, reached Gatwick on Sunday 2 May on a flight from Bilbao. She planned to look for a job offer, go home to apply for a visa and then return to live with her Spanish boyfriend, an NHS worker who has been in the UK for four years. “I had a return ticket and had filled out an online travel form in which I explained all that,” she said.

At Gatwick, Eugenia had her mobile phone taken away and was locked in a holding room for 24 hours, sleeping on a fold-out bed with half a dozen others. Then she was put on a flight to Barcelona along with another Spanish woman who had arrived for a job interview.

Between them, María and Eugenia (who asked that their real names not be used) said they met a dozen other European citizens detained for similar reasons, accounting for half of the people in Gatwick’s detention rooms. They included two Spaniards with job interviews, a French woman with an internship and a Czech woman who had flown in from Mexico and was being sent back there.

“The Czech girl was desperate,” said Eugenia, who spent part of her 24 hours locked up in tears. “Like me, she knew we couldn’t start work immediately, but understood that you could look for jobs and come back to the UK later after obtaining a visa. When she offered to pay for a flight back to Prague, they said no – that they were expelling her to Mexico.”
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The Czech woman being sent back to Mexico!
What a horrible fecking country. Fellow Europeans...go spend your time somewhere civilised instead.
 

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The Czech woman being sent back to Mexico!
What a horrible fecking country. Fellow Europeans...go spend your time somewhere civilised instead.
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I wonder if she got better or worse treatment in Mexico. They'd have to be taking the piss if they sent her back to the UK. I assume she's a Czech national so she isn't Mexico's problem.

I don't know what the correct and legal procedure is in this case but it seems like it would further complicate the process if she isn't a citizen of the country she's being deported to.
 

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horsechoker said:
I wonder if she got better or worse treatment in Mexico. They'd have to be taking the piss if they sent her back to the UK. I assume she's a Czech national so she isn't Mexico's problem.

I don't know what the correct and legal procedure is in this case but it seems like it would further complicate the process if she isn't a citizen of the country she's being deported to.
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If she has documentation the normal procedure is to expel her to her country, if she is undocumented you are supposed to send her to her known point of entry granted that it is not a warzone and that she isn't threatened back home(aka she isn't a lawful refugee).
 

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https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/20...ted-300724272/?ref=RHTP-BH-I300637120-P1-S1-L

An Italian woman's account
Until a few months ago, European citizens could travel freely to the United Kingdom. Few Italians or Europeans believed that, despite Brexit, they risked being sent to jail. But Marta tells us that’s exactly what happens if you don't have the right documentation. “On the morning of April 17, I left Brindisi, had a stopover in Milan, and arrived in London in the afternoon, where I thought I was going to stay with my cousins.”

And then what happened, Marta?

“They checked my papers, and I showed them my cousin's letter offering me an au pair position, specifying all the duties I had to perform. It was my first international trip; I tried to explain my cousin was my employer and that I would be staying with his family. But then they seized my suitcases and personal belongings, searched me, asked me questions, locked me in a small room under surveillance at the airport. Until 4 a.m.”

That’s when they took you to the removal center?

“Yes, because they told me I couldn’t stay in that small room at the airport for 24 hours. So, in the middle of the night, at 4 a.m., they transferred me to a room ‘with more facilities.’ Even though they later told me, ‘It's a prison’!’”

So the border authorities admitted it?

“Yes, Google Translator, through which we communicated, said ’prison.’”

Did it look like one?

“Yes, it did. Barbed wire atop the walls, bars on windows, and huge security gates... It was quite a shock. I couldn't get over it, 'I'm in prison!' I burst into tears. I asked the guards if I could see my cousin Giuseppe, even in their presence, because he speaks English very well. But initially, they said no.”

You couldn't call Giuseppe?

“No, because they seized my cell phone. They told me I couldn't keep my phone because it has a camera; they feared I might take videos or photos I could send outside. So they took it away from me. My cousin and family didn't know what happened to me. Later, they gave me an old phone without a camera. But there was no credit. I tried to recharge it, but I only had euros, and they only accepted pounds. So I called Giuseppe from the prison payphones, and that's how he was able to reach me.”

Did they seize all your possessions during your detention?

“Yes, everything. Suitcase, wallet, money, phone: they put all my belongings in sealed bags with my name on them. They asked me if I needed a change of clothes for the night.”

So did it actually look like prison?

“There is very little difference, although the authorities there do everything they can to put you at ease. But every step you take, a guard follows you. The doors are closed. And you get searched. I've lost count of how many times I got searched.”

Even when you were in the center?

“Yes, They searched me head to toe. They also took my fingerprints and pictures of me.”

What was the room like where you spent the night?

“Bars on windows, there were three beds in the room, but I was the only guest, then two desks and a security door with a small round window. I asked them to leave the door unlocked, as It would make me feel even worse. They agreed.”

How long did you spend in the center?

“I had a fortune in my misfortune because they found me a flight back to Italy the next day. I left on Sunday, April 18, at 7 p.m. I spent about 12 hours in the removal center. They escorted me until I sat on the plane to make sure I was deported. Just before boarding my flight, they finally gave me back my personal belongings, my suitcase, and my smartphone at the boarding gate. I got my passport back only after landing in Milan.”

Did you see other girls in Colnbrook women's wing where you were detained?

“There was another girl from Tuscany; I can't remember her name. I remember she too was 24 years old like me and had already been there for five days. She also didn't know why. She thought she had not been given a return flight right away because the return ticket cost more than what she had paid for.”

What state was the girl in?

“She spent four days on her own; then, on the fifth day, they brought two more girls. She told me the first few days she was going crazy; it was ‘a horrible nightmare’. Always alone, no contact, her cell phone had also been seized, and she couldn't remember her family members' phone numbers. She had to wait for them to find her.”

I guess you now have a deportation stamp on your passport.

“Yes, there is a Heathrow Airport stamp with the date and a cross over it.”

This may be a problem in the future if you want to work abroad.

“I hope not, at least that's what I've been told. But the next border agent who will see at that cross in my passport will look at me with suspicion.”
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horsechoker said:
I wonder if she got better or worse treatment in Mexico. They'd have to be taking the piss if they sent her back to the UK. I assume she's a Czech national so she isn't Mexico's problem.

I don't know what the correct and legal procedure is in this case but it seems like it would further complicate the process if she isn't a citizen of the country she's being deported to.
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I was illegally working in australia while backpacking. I went to NZ and i went back to oz where in the airport, they took my phone and laptop, find out tgat i was working. Spend 3 nights ina special place in prison for this cases and they said that i was only allowed to be sent to the EU (Rome), not sent back to NZ. So i find it mental what immigration in UK did.

On a note, i fully deserved it and i never made it to Rome as i took another flight to singapore during my lay over in taiwan on route to rome.

They just wanted to get rid of me
 

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Another example of the sunlit uplands we were promised.
 

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Wouldn’t it have been more advisable to have such an adviser already in place?
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You would have thought that, after 5 years of seeing certain politicians harping on about how great Brexit would be, we wouldnt need any external help identifying opportunities!
That and the fact that apparently every brexiter new what they were voting for, this should be easy.
Its a shame we dont like experts anymore.
 

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Another example of the sunlit uplands we were promised.
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I doubt that this is true. I am sure the UK has a non visa free agreement with the EU (and viceversa) for 90 days as the US and Canada have (among other countries)
 

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4bars said:
I doubt that this is true. I am sure the UK has a non visa free agreement with the EU (and viceversa) for 90 days as the US and Canada have (among other countries)
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Sounds more or less true

https://au.france.fr/en/holiday-prep/brexit-travel-rules-uk-france

Usually only 65 euros a day required rather than the 120 stated in that tweet. But certainly a far cry from what used to be.

Edit: No visa for under 90 days but you d need a valid passport with 6 months validity remaining plus.
  • Proof of accommodation during your stay (booking for hotel, gîte, Airbnb or B&B for tourists, second-home owners may need to provide proof of address such as a utility bill and if you’re staying with friends or family you may need an Attestation d’accueil, see below)
  • A return ticket or the means to acquire one
  • Sufficient financial means to cover basic costs during your stay. The guideline figures for this are; €65 per day if you have a hotel booking, €120 per day if you have no hotel booking, €32.50 per day if you are staying with friends or family
  • Insurance that covers health costs and the cost of repatriation if required (see health cover section below)
  • If you are transiting through France you may be asked for proof of your right to enter your final destination
 

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Wibble said:
Sounds more or less true

https://au.france.fr/en/holiday-prep/brexit-travel-rules-uk-france

Usually only 65 euros a day required rather than the 120 stated in that tweet. But certainly a far cry from what used to be.

Edit: No visa for under 90 days but you d need a valid passport with 6 months validity remaining plus.
  • Proof of accommodation during your stay (booking for hotel, gîte, Airbnb or B&B for tourists, second-home owners may need to provide proof of address such as a utility bill and if you’re staying with friends or family you may need an Attestation d’accueil, see below)
  • A return ticket or the means to acquire one
  • Sufficient financial means to cover basic costs during your stay. The guideline figures for this are; €65 per day if you have a hotel booking, €120 per day if you have no hotel booking, €32.50 per day if you are staying with friends or family
  • Insurance that covers health costs and the cost of repatriation if required (see health cover section below)
  • If you are transiting through France you may be asked for proof of your right to enter your final destination
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Well, then is way more stringent then US and Canada. I guess I would need the same if I would like to visit UK
 

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Well, then is way more stringent then US and Canada. I guess I would need the same if I would like to visit UK
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Except at the moment the UK seems to also like to lock you up for a while if anything isn't quite right.
 
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