Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion

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I am more amazed about the fact that you think it’s still about getting the ball and then you could do whatever you want afterwards. Naturally, Bailly is fine here and studs are not out, but obiously they are looking at what happens when he tackles the Liverpool-player on the follow-through, not if he got the ball or not.

It should be all about getting the ball, getting the man too is a bonus.
 

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Load of nonsense, it was the right call one hundred percent. What is the argument that that is a foul? Is the game non-contact now? Didn't get the memo.
Literally this, Bailly got to the ball and then they collided, full stop.
 

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Switched channels and Hoddle and Townsend are waxing lyrical about how good VAR has been here.
Have the ESPN feed and Lee Dixon, Man City fan who also spent his prime playing for United's biggest rivals of the day also says it's never a penalty in a million years :lol:

I knew Sky would have a narrative around it though as their director replayed it about 27 times.
 

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Funny, but still want the offsides changed before it screws us over.
 

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People pretending they like it because it screws over a team they don’t like will be the reason they stick with it until it screws over a team they support
 

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Awful for the game. Celebrating a last minute goal in a cup final should be what the game is all about. To rule it out for those margins is a disaster for the game.
 

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That one even passed the eye test. Anybody whinging is talking out of their arse. Anything other than that goal being disallowed would have been a crime.
 

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Never understood the "takes drama out of football" argument. Today and Sterling's disallowed goal in the CL are excellent drama. :lol:
 

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I'm not sure why so many people are complaining about the use of VAR here? It did look marginally offside on the freeze frame and they made the decision pretty quickly.
 

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People pretending they like it because it screws over a team they don’t like will be the reason they stick with it until it screws over a team they support
How are they screwed over if the person is offside? Low margins, yes, but still offside.
 

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People pretending they like it because it screws over a team they don’t like will be the reason they stick with it until it screws over a team they support
Who was screwed over?

Until VAR correctly assessed Chilwell to be offside (which was obvious on the first replay) then Leicester would have been robbed.
 

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That was a clear offside. Saw it right away. If that isnt then the argument says the margin of offside should be huge.
Jenas and his millimetres ffs
 

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That one even passed the eye test. Anybody whinging is talking out of their arse. Anything other than that goal being disallowed would have been a crime.
Yeah as soon as I saw the replay I thought he was just off. Unlucky for Chelsea but there have been plenty of decisions much tighter than the one today.
 

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Offside is offside, whether by an inch or a mile. I don’t see what is so hard to understand.
 

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Awful for the game. Celebrating a last minute goal in a cup final should be what the game is all about. To rule it out for those margins is a disaster for the game.
No, awful for the game is when a team doesnt get what they deserve because of a referee mistake. The goal was offside so shouldnt have counted. The decision was very quick too. Good use of VAR in my opinion. Quick and fair.
 

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Who was screwed over?

Until VAR correctly assessed Chilwell to be offside (which was obvious on the first replay) then Leicester would have been robbed.
The guy moans for the sake of it.
 

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You shouldn’t need to squint at a screen or use freeze frames to determine offside.

The artificial ‘drama’is causes is nothing to the erosion of emotion it’ll cause as fans and players hesitate celebrating last minute goals
 

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You shouldn’t need to squint at a screen or use freeze frames to determine offside.

The artificial ‘drama’is causes is nothing to the erosion of emotion it’ll cause as fans and players hesitate celebrating last minute goals
Was a clear offside, whats the problem?
 

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The criticism of VAR based on the FA cup final is ridiculous. Would you rather an illegal goal stood? Imagine if we didn't have VAR, people would've been going on about how Leicester were fecked over in favour of the big clubs yet again etc etc.
 

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Couldn't care less who won, but VAR is the worst thing to happen to football.

Machines are stupid and will remain stupid. Machines can never acquire intelligence or wisdom. This is a mathematical decision today, not a wise human decision to fit with a human activity like football.

Too much accuracy ain't efficiency when it comes to human phenomena, its dullness and stupidity.
 

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You shouldn’t need to squint at a screen or use freeze frames to determine offside.

The artificial ‘drama’is causes is nothing to the erosion of emotion it’ll cause as fans and players hesitate celebrating last minute goals
You didn’t need to. Get some glasses, lad.
 

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You shouldn’t need to squint at a screen or use freeze frames to determine offside.

The artificial ‘drama’is causes is nothing to the erosion of emotion it’ll cause as fans and players hesitate celebrating last minute goals
a) You didn't need to squint to spot that one
b) I didn't see Chelsea hesitate celebrating that goal, did you?
 

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You shouldn’t need to squint at a screen or use freeze frames to determine offside.

The artificial ‘drama’is causes is nothing to the erosion of emotion it’ll cause as fans and players hesitate celebrating last minute goals
This hesitating to celebrate is the worst counterargument to VAR. First of all, we've seen massive celebrations before VAR even makes a decision. And if the goal is allowed you can celebrate again.
 

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This hesitating to celebrate is the worst counterargument to VAR. First of all, we've seen massive celebrations before VAR even makes a decision. And if the goal is allowed you can celebrate again.
And if the goal's disallowed, the other team celebrates as if they've scored a goal. See today and see Spurs v City a couple of years back.
 

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Those sort of offsides are really annoying, but that's the rule, so you have to deal with it.

I can't imagine there's too much love for Chelsea after their Abramovich behaviour, so well done to Leicester
 

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Offside is offside, whether by an inch or a mile. I don’t see what is so hard to understand.
Not with VAR... The technology isn't accurate to determine that, its more like you might be offside or you might not be on the super tight ones.

However this one wasn't one of the super tight ones. Looked offside to the naked eye to me.
 

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That one even passed the eye test. Anybody whinging is talking out of their arse. Anything other than that goal being disallowed would have been a crime.
Yup soon as saw the freeze frame, even without the lines, offside. Not one of the ones that people should have issue with.
 

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Offside is offside, whether by an inch or a mile. I don’t see what is so hard to understand.
This is true, but I think the currently anal interpretation of offside due to VAR takes away from the spirit of the rule, which was to eliminate goal hanging. Not sure how this gets fixed though, this is how it is.
 

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When are they trialling the Wenger offside law change again?
 

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This is true, but I think the currently anal interpretation of offside due to VAR takes away from the spirit of the rule, which was to eliminate goal hanging. Not sure how this gets fixed though, this is how it is.
This was always the interpretation, hence the offside calls pre VAR when the attacker was clearly on. Now those calls are gone and great runs are rewarded with simply making sure offside is offside.
 

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My problem with it is that even VAR can’t be accurate to the mm. So why are they making mm calls?
 

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That one even passed the eye test. Anybody whinging is talking out of their arse. Anything other than that goal being disallowed would have been a crime.
Called it offside once I saw it, VAR confirmed what many of us saw.
 

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People mentioning how obvious it is due to the freeze frame. The balls left his foot on that frame and I guarantee it's marginally onside on the previous frame.
 

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It's a real shame that a correct decision can only be recognized (at least by some) when it coincides with the outcome that everyone favors. If the decision, however correct, was to disallow a Leicester goal, this thread would be filled exclusively by angry grandpas hollering game's gone.
 

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Yeah but wasn't the former due to the linesman fecking it up?
Fecking it up because they were looking for the fine lines theyre looking at today.
What strikes me is how often play is allowed to continue when its clearly off. That must mean a lot of tight calls pre VAR were hopeful guesses when they had to make a decisions.