I mean... if he grew long hair it would work...
PL L FA Premier League
Manchester United 2:4 Liverpool
Post-match discussion
Thu, 13 May 2021
I love the casual xenophobia.
Yeah it's starting to look like a Jones situation already and that is scary
It also ignores that our shaky defense had an equally shaky GK behind them, and a midfield having a mare in front of them. Liverpool's dodgy defense got protection and support from their midfielders, ours didn't.
Would get some hope again IF we got the CB, CDM & RW we badly need this summer but that certainly shouldn't stop the protests at all
To be fair we’ve been on a mad schedule whilst Liverpool have nothing else to play for and are desperate to rescue their awful season. They were a lot fresher than us.
Have to say, even if it's not popular on this forum, I was concerned the knock-on effect of the postponement would disturb what was a pretty good momentum at that point. The biggest losers from it are the players and the fans.
Any quality opposition and we revert back to looking like we’re not coached.
See it's not going to be thaattt bad
I mean, I'm strictly hetero but I'm not gonna lie, Lindelof in a dress does it for me.
Yeah. Wouldn't be surprised if some of our players are holding back a bit as well, knowing that we're done with the league for the season and have a final coming up.
Holding back doesn't explain the woeful performances from some, but this was always going to be a very tough game.
We're 13(10+3) points behind ourselves. We're probably the fourth best team in England right now. Right now this is probably our level, maybe CL quarter finals at best. Sad but true.
Only thing that will really cheer me up is if Liv still don’t make top 4. Actually I’m cheered up just thinking about that.
I was hoping Tuanzebe would get the nod for this match, I think he's physically a better pairing with Lindelöf in Maguire's absence.
Feck off Souness with the billion pounds spent, any chance of you actually having the balls to acknowledge how much they have taken out
What's awful in the last 2 games is that none of the players who are unlikely to start the final have done anything at all to boost their chances. Yeah you can talk about some people switching off for the final but not one outsider has stepped up
Rio said after the Leicester game that cb should be the priority in the summer and after that I’m inclined to agree with him.
Lindelof is not good enough and Bailly is back up at best. Maguire plus a another is the way forward.
Hugely disappointing night. Liverpool wanted it more and deserved to win. The first part of the previous sentence is unforgivable........
Lindelof is not good enough and Bailly is back up at best. Maguire plus a another is the way forward.
Hugely disappointing night. Liverpool wanted it more and deserved to win. The first part of the previous sentence is unforgivable........
It does count, just as it counts for them playing without Van Dijk and Matip and Gomez.
They have played the whole season without their two best defenders and are now looking at being 7 points behind us despite that.They also played with a makeshift defence against us today fielding a nobody 20 year old, thats why I feel it's no excuse
And he said "Net"
"A billion pounds, Net!"
Absolutely gutted to lose against the scousers like that....
Loads of individual mistakes from Fred, Pogba, Henderson, McTominay...and most of the team throughout the game.
We know Liverpool press hard and had lots of time off and needed to win...we should have kicked long and defended if we lost possession....we just didn’t have the same energy..
Saying that the schedule has been horrible....we were mentally and physically tired and it’s the fine percentages that make a difference at this level..
It’s been a pretty good season so far and lots to be positive about....
We need to win against Fulham, Wolves and Villarreal.....a central defender, a defensive midfielder who is press resistant and I would be excited going forward...
Loads of individual mistakes from Fred, Pogba, Henderson, McTominay...and most of the team throughout the game.
We know Liverpool press hard and had lots of time off and needed to win...we should have kicked long and defended if we lost possession....we just didn’t have the same energy..
Saying that the schedule has been horrible....we were mentally and physically tired and it’s the fine percentages that make a difference at this level..
It’s been a pretty good season so far and lots to be positive about....
We need to win against Fulham, Wolves and Villarreal.....a central defender, a defensive midfielder who is press resistant and I would be excited going forward...
A shameful, shameful performance and result.
Think of the pain Liverpool inflicted on United fans all last season. Today we had the chance to exact some small measure of revenge in our laps against a Liverpool team playing with reserve centre backs and what do we do? Let Liverpool ride us bareback at Old Trafford.
A fecking embarrassment.
Think of the pain Liverpool inflicted on United fans all last season. Today we had the chance to exact some small measure of revenge in our laps against a Liverpool team playing with reserve centre backs and what do we do? Let Liverpool ride us bareback at Old Trafford.
A fecking embarrassment.
Exactly.
Disappointing performance especially with Liverpool’s Center backs. A lot of games played in a short period didn’t help but that’s no excuse.. But overall 2nd in the league and a europa league final is better then last season and that’s what’s important. Hopefully a couple of good signings will improve us for next season.
Nobody thought we would get near this Liverpool squad this season. We saw tonight the reason (missing by far our best CB) why we have.
Is that another 6 points deducted due to fielding a weakened team?
Oh wait, that was a near full strength team... oh dear.
Oh wait, that was a near full strength team... oh dear.
Imagine us without Maguire Lindelof and Baily for the whole season..
Ah I mean we've conceded what the second most from set pieces this season but its okay because in 2019/2020 we didnt?
They've had all season to 'fix it' and they haven't.
Again, why are you referring to last season as if it somehow makes what we've done this season okay? You must also be able to identify that teams adjusted to us this season and we haven't hadan answer to it.
And no we don't control games against the better sides, not at all. Liverpool today between about the 30th and 68th minute basically stopped us from even having a shot on goal and created severa; chances. They did this by dominating the ball, taking the ball of us at will and recycling possession. We don't seem to be able to do this. It is LITERALLY something every Championship winning side have in their locker.
Well that's a giant lie right there.
We didn't have more possession in any of the games against Man City, Liverpool, Leicester and Chelsea this season. I don't see us having more possession than West Ham etc as something to brag about, its expected.
I don't really know what games you're watching that you think every mid table team try to press us high. Most of them sit back and try to restrict us space. Do you even watch our matches? Mid table teams aren't naive enough to do so. When the actual top sides do it against us, especially this season, we tend to struggle including against feckign Arsenal at home.
I wasn't talking about Pogba, I was talking about Rashford obviously. Guess you missed the Leicester game in the FA Cup too?
Yup, quite disheartening to be honest. I guess Greenwood starting the previous three was why Ole benched him but I feel at this stage a tired Greenwood on the right is a far better option that Rashford on the right who barely even looks like he's trying when out there.
Liverpool has quality players, and they actually want it more. Ours were playing like that's "just" another game.
Imagining us with Bailly playing for the whole season is bad enough.
Disgraceful performance.
We played some great stuff with those attacking fives. Mason should of made it 3-3.
Goes to show how much both sides miss their two main Centre backs.
Goes to show how much both sides miss their two main Centre backs.
I have to say, I have been very disappointed with McTominay's performances for a few weeks, which has the time frame of covering several matches. The FA cup match with Leicester, the poor touch that lead to Aston Villa's goal and tonight has highlighted some very tepid performances.
He does not play the penetrative passes through the the lines that enable us to attack in fast transitions enough. He has been giving the ball away and that is major concern.
I feel we need to show a direction in the next two Premier League matches in order to prepare us for the Europe league final. Tuanzebe needs another start. His lack of game time has come back to haunt Ole.
It is important to temper our progress, so we can gage what is really needed to improve the squad for next season's challenge.
He does not play the penetrative passes through the the lines that enable us to attack in fast transitions enough. He has been giving the ball away and that is major concern.
I feel we need to show a direction in the next two Premier League matches in order to prepare us for the Europe league final. Tuanzebe needs another start. His lack of game time has come back to haunt Ole.
It is important to temper our progress, so we can gage what is really needed to improve the squad for next season's challenge.
What's the point in putting arbitrary barriers like last season / this season? The tactics are the same. Teams don't decide magically that they want to wait till end of season before they play a certain way against us.
They've been trying to fix it somewhat unsuccessfully already. Plenty of chatter about winning the first header from Ole / the players. There were also a bunch of scrappy goals like the corner today where it was more random than just bad defence.
It's one of the easier problems to solve and I'm pretty confident they'll get it right eventually.
Again Pool / City high press we struggle against. Basically every team in the world struggles against that - PSG with Veratti did, RM with Kroos did. There are no magic incantations to fix this beyond just hiring Pep. We still do fairly well playing direct and on the counter. Bruno quarter backing Rashford / Greenwood / Martial running in behind was our strategy against these teams and we employed that very successfully against City.
I'm happy to argue more if you post the stats but if my memory serves right we weren't really outclassed possession wise against any team in the league / Europe this season bar City / Pool. And we've beat them City and Pool this season already.
Chelsea under Tuchel vs us had more of the ball but not really anywhere dangerous. Chelsea under Lampard we've had no problem possession wise. Leicester we've had more of the ball basically every single game we've played (even the one with the kids).
Right back at you. Every single team including Southampton, Westham, Leeds, Brighton, Arsenal, Everton tried to press us high. Do you watch any united games at all?
That's one player playing out of position and even then it's not like you're asking a striker to play at left back. His role functionally is to make intelligent runs in behind for Bruno to hit and beat a fullback when 1v1. He's better at it when he's off the left but it's not really rocket science to translate that to the right.
Bit early for some of this lot to be on the beach, but that's certainly what it looked like.
It's pretty alarming how this team has "that in them". By "that" I mean the tendancy to absolutely shit the bed when we get pressed and attacked with pace.
We've seen it too often now, the entire team panics, the defense loses the plot and we look devoid of ability to stop the rot.
Ole needs to address this ASAP. He's made some big strides this season, but this is something that happens too often.
We've seen it too often now, the entire team panics, the defense loses the plot and we look devoid of ability to stop the rot.
Ole needs to address this ASAP. He's made some big strides this season, but this is something that happens too often.
Bigoted and also wrong given that the last few years has been
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And what about the countless other times this season he's played Rashford on the right? And he's mostly been invisible? Everybody see's how shit he is out there but Ole it seems.
Remarkable comments considering teams such as Man city, Arsenal and Chelsea literally changed up the way they played against us this season because they didn't want to get hit on the counter.
Again, they've had all season and they haven't. When do we see substantial change? It's already cost us on numerous occasions this season.
We struggled with Arsenal's press, we struggled with Brightons press, we struggled with RBL's press...... And of course I expect that up against city and Liverpool you'll have periods of being penned in but failing to have a shot and struggling to keep the ball for 40 fecking minutes during a match where Liverpool had two rookies at centre back is completely unacceptable.
Google all of those matches and you'll see, wont take longer than five minutes.....
If you can't see a long term problem in never being able to have more of the ball than the teams you're competing with then I don't really know what to tell you. It's not about outclassing. But being able to retain and recycle possession is a crucial part of being a successful team. We are not a successful team, maybe we should look into it and work on it to become one.
I mean you said and I quote "every mid table team in the PL tried to press us high and got burned" to which I replied and I quote "most of them sit back". Notice nowhere did I use an absolute.
West Ham though? pressed high against us
Seriously, West Ham? are you trolling? the game they were mocked mercilessly for being so passive against us in? West Ham do not play a high press. Leeds played it in the 6-2 but completely changed it up at Elland Road because they realised you cant play that way against us as a mid table side and leave yourself so open in the transitions. Everton don't play a high press either.Rashford is not a right winger, he never plays well there, so sticking him there is shoehorning him into the team. It's not rocket science to work out that if you do something 9 times and it fails 9 times its probably not going to be successful the 10th time you try it.
We specifically rested the whole team on Tuesday to avoid this being an excuse...
Describing seasons as 'arbitrary barriers'?!
Ouch, that was hard to take. It could have been worse too. 3-2 would have flattered us, really.
It was awful to see how our central axis (CBs+CMs) were exposed without Maguire on the pitch. I thought Matic did considerably better against Leicester than either McT or Fred did today.
It's been 3 out of 4 games now where we've allowed far too many chances. We can thank excellent goaltending for the fact the losses weren't bigger, they all easily could have been.
We'll see if that turns out to have been mainly about the Roma tie being a dead rubber, the second string lineup against Leicester and today being the fourth game in 8 days (and the third played for most of the starters), or if there's more serious trouble afoot. On the bright side, we looked perfectly good against Villa. But then again, we're without Maguire at least for the next two.
It was awful to see how our central axis (CBs+CMs) were exposed without Maguire on the pitch. I thought Matic did considerably better against Leicester than either McT or Fred did today.
It's been 3 out of 4 games now where we've allowed far too many chances. We can thank excellent goaltending for the fact the losses weren't bigger, they all easily could have been.
We'll see if that turns out to have been mainly about the Roma tie being a dead rubber, the second string lineup against Leicester and today being the fourth game in 8 days (and the third played for most of the starters), or if there's more serious trouble afoot. On the bright side, we looked perfectly good against Villa. But then again, we're without Maguire at least for the next two.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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31%
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
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13%
Mason Greenwood
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8%
Marcus Rashford
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3%
Edinson Cavani
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3%
Luke Shaw
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1%
Victor Lindelof
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1%
Dean Henderson
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1%
Paul Pogba
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1%
Scott McTominay
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1%
Nemanja Matic
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
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Compiled from 229 ratings.
Score Predictions
103,26,37
- Man Utd win
- Liverpool win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 25% Man Utd 2:1 Liverpool
- 14% Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool
- 10% Man Utd 3:1 Liverpool
- 10% Man Utd 2:0 Liverpool
- 7% Man Utd 1:2 Liverpool
- 5% Man Utd 2:2 Liverpool
- 4% Man Utd 1:0 Liverpool
- 4% Man Utd 4:1 Liverpool
- 3% Man Utd 0:2 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 0:0 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 3:2 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 5:0 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 3:0 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 0:1 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 2:3 Liverpool
- 1% Man Utd 1:3 Liverpool
- 1% Man Utd 4:0 Liverpool
- 1% Man Utd 5:1 Liverpool
- 1% Man Utd 0:5 Liverpool
- 1% Man Utd 4:3 Liverpool
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Liverpool
- Possession
- 53% 47%
- Shots
- 18 17
- Shots on Target
- 3 8
- Corners
- 6 4
- Fouls
- 10 12
Referee
Anthony Taylor
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Nemanja Matic
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replaced by Mason Greenwood
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