Auction Draft Chaos 2021 QF - EAP vs NM

With all players at their peak, which team do you think would win this game?


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EAP TACTICS

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: 5-3-2

Tactics:

+ "Saint Iker" Casillas, one of the greatest GKs of all time mans the goal. Consistent and able to produce spectacular saves, he'd be the final guardian.

+ Ronald Koeman leads the defence. A top notch libero and master of orchestrating the game from the deep, he'll provide the added security and creativity from the deep.
+ He's supported by Hans-Peter Briegel and Berti Vogts, both tough no nonsense defenders, physically imposing and tactically superb.
+ Bixente Lizarazu and Willy Sagnol provide the tandem wingback they did successfully for Bayern in their 2001 CL winning team. Their tenacity and ability to motor up and down the pitch, and deliver key crosses consistently will be a source of width and header goals for Batigol.

+ Dunga anchors the defensive midfield and Jean Tigana reprises 2nd placed Balon d'Or 1982 role completing the midfield engine. Both tenacious all round players with high workrate and good on the ball too.

+ Ronaldinho takes #10 role providing a wealth of creativity and trickery. Gullit's natural play of dropping to Inside Right complements well with Ronaldinho's own tendency to drift left.

+ Gullit plays support striker operating behind Batigol (similar to his partnership with MvB). He was a Total Football player, versatile in many positions, with capable of aiding his team defensively as well as offensively due to his work-rate, ball-winning abilities, and tactical intelligence in addition to his skill and physical qualities .
+ Gabriel "Batigol" Batistuta, a complete and prolific forward with an eye for the goal having powerful, clinical finishing ability both in ground and in the air leads the line.

NM TACTICS

Overview:
Defense:

In goal, I have Julio Cesar, 2 time Serie A keeper of the year and a Ballon D'or nominee (21st place :lol: in 2009) . The central defensive partnership is the classic stopper and sweeper / ball player (John Terry and Daniel Passarella). On the right flank Carlos Alberto will dominate and carry on his world cup winning partnership with Jairzinho, while on the left flank Karl-Heinz Schnellinger will provide solidarity and the able to play narrow and cover if needed. All in all, a very defensively solid back 4, with excellent ball playing abilitites

Midfield:
The midfield is balanced with a box-to-box, deep lying playmaker, and one of the greatest passers of all time. Ernt Ocwirk will provide the steel, focussing on giving the others freedom to play, while also supporting the attack occasionally. Jozef Bozsik will pull the strings in midfield, and Michael Laudrup will run the show, spraying passes around to the marvelous talent around him.

Attack:
There are 3 GOAT candidates in their respective positions. Jairzinho will combine with C. Alberto on the right and push forward at every opportunity. Zoltan Czibor on the left will float all along the front line and go into the center forward position (as he did for Hungary) and Ferenc Puskas will play the nominal center forward. he will drop deep to overwhelm the opposition midfield and allow Jairzinho and Czibor to step up (again similar to what he did for both Hungary and Madrid)

Why I win:
1. Combinations: I have three of the Magyars all playing in positions that suit them and replicate what they did. C. Alberto and Jairzinho is also a world cup winning combination
2. Balance. The team is well balanced and has amazing passers that will keep the ball in all positions, and has the ability to dominate any midfield with its skill
3. Attacking Goats. My "front 4" per se are all GOAT candidates in their positions (Puskas, Laudrup, Czibor, Jairzinho)
4. If nothing else, this team would be absolutely beautfiul to watch and would be entertaining.. At the end of the day, that's why I watch and play the game, and that's why this team should go to the next round!

Good luck EAP
 
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@2mufc0 , I don't see NM starting Ocwirk instead of Bozsik. 12th and 13th player needs to start I believe?
 

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From carré magique to Charmed's triquetra :lol:
 

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@2mufc0 i thought 1 of the 12th/ 13th player had to start in this game and in the next game right? if not I'll make the ssiwtch and PM you
 

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@2mufc0 i thought 1 of the 12th/ 13th player had to start in this game and in the next game right? if not I'll make the ssiwtch and PM you
You should have played both 12th and 13th player by this round.
 

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If I have to use both, I've PM'd @2mufc0 with the updated tactics
Did you use one in the first round? If so you only need to play the one that didn't in the last round.
 

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You should have played both 12th and 13th player by this round.
Ahh shit I didn't know that. I would have played both of them in the previous round!

I've sent you a post using both my 12th and 13th pick so we should be good.
 

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Ahh shit I didn't know that. I would have played both of them in the previous round!

I've sent you a post using both my 12th and 13th pick so we should be good.
Just to clarify you don't have to play both at the same time, 1 in the first round and one in the second.
 

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+ "Saint Iker" Casillas, one of the greatest GKs of all time mans the goal. Consistent and able to produce spectacular saves, he'd be the final guardian.
So good you didn't even bother to name him.

ETA Given he's a saint, I can sort of buy it - I mean, out of respect and so forth.
 

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Seriously, though - not much between these teams, as I see it.

Edgar edges it for me, but it's very close.

I don't like the formation pic with regards to Jairzinho - that's just nitpicking, probably, but there you go. Makes it look like he's a standard/traditional winger - which he wasn't. He was nothing special in terms of crossing, etc. Would rather emphasize that he's a direct goal threat - like Czibor on the opposite flank, really. Cutting in rather than hugging the line, etc.

Which is what is indicated - you could say - by the description in the OP. But it might've been made clearer.

ETA Also not 100% sold on Puskas in that role. I say not 100% - not that I dismiss it as a plausible role for him in a fantasy team (it clearly is plausible).

But if you want to sell the Magyar thing to the max, I'd rather have someone else up front (as some kind of false nine) and Puskas operating in the space immediately behind him.

I have three of the Magyars all playing in positions that suit them and replicate what they did.
The first part may be true - but the last part isn't with regard to Puskas. He pushed up rather than drop down.

That obviously doesn't mean that a player with his skill set wouldn't do well in this (fantasy) formation/set-up. But it isn't perfect/ideal - and with fine margins and all, well, there you are.
 
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Seriously, though - not much between these teams, as I see it.

Edgar edges it for me, but it's very close.

I don't like the formation pic with regards to Jairzinho - that's just nitpicking, probably, but there you go. Makes it look like he's a standard/traditional winger - which he wasn't. He was nothing special in terms of crossing, etc. Would rather emphasize that he's a direct goal threat - like Czibor on the opposite flank, really. Cutting in rather than hugging the line, etc.

Which is what is indicated - you could say - by the description in the OP. But it might've been made clearer.

ETA Also not 100% sold on Puskas in that role. I say not 100% - not that I dismiss it as a plausible role for him in a fantasy team (it clearly is plausible).

But if you want to sell the Magyar thing to the max, I'd rather have someone else up front (as some kind of false nine) and Puskas operating in the space immediately behind him.



The first part may be true - but the last part isn't with regard to Puskas. He pushed up rather than drop down.

That obviously doesn't mean that a player with his skill set wouldn't do well in this (fantasy) formation/set-up. But it isn't perfect/ideal - and with fine margins and all, well, there you are.
Read the last game I played with regards to Puskas. It's addressed there. Don't have time to do it again, won't be online much.

Fiar enough that it's small margins but obviously disagree.
 

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ETA Also not 100% sold on Puskas in that role. I say not 100% - not that I dismiss it as a plausible role for him in a fantasy team (it clearly is plausible).

But if you want to sell the Magyar thing to the max, I'd rather have someone else up front (as some kind of false nine) and Puskas operating in the space immediately behind him.
I think the choice of wingers is really smart here.

1. Not pure wing forwards so you will get supply inwards for Puskas to score
2. Not pure wingers so will look to cut in when Puskas drops in.

The hybrid nature of wingers gels well with Puskas not being a pure hole player himself IMO. I quite like it.
 

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On team EAP, it's well upgraded and does take the team a notch higher from previous round.

I still don't see why Ronaldinho and Gullit are not shown in wider roles.

1. Neither of the wing backs are gung ho so more wider presence would be really helpful.

2. Dunga and Tigana already offer a good amount of creativity centrally

Not sure if others agree but them being wider would make me more sold on the setup.
 

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Wait, Ocwirk and Boszik start instead of Ocwirk and Tardelli?

That is a mistake IMO. Both are pretty much similar players and quite redundant here. And a more rigid defensive presence is needed there centrally. Tardelli was perfect there.

Sorry NM, but I have to give this one to EAP. Based on my last 2 posts, I was actually going to vote for you before I took another look at the pictures before voting.

I was actually quite delighted with the setup for Passarella especially and how easy on the eye he looked here which is not easy to do.
 

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I still don't see why Ronaldinho and Gullit are not shown in wider roles.
Agree. Both love to go to these spaces anyway, so I'd think that depiction would simply reflect their natural game in such a three man offense.
 

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Nothing bad to say about NMs team. All I can say is that Ocwirk is between two world class players in Ronaldinho and Gullit and doesn't have much defensive help.


Not sure if others agree but them being wider would make me more sold on the setup.
They will drift. Rather than start wide and drift in, they'll start in middle and drift wide. I think both fullbacks are sufficient to prove with on outside.
 

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I think both fullbacks are sufficient to prove with on outside
In a narrow, 5-4-1, am not sure about that. Both were more balanced rather than gung ho from my point of view. Others might have a different view, good to hear from more people on this bit.
 

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They will drift. Rather than start wide and drift in, they'll start in middle and drift wide.
Not want to pick on it too much, as you're right they'll roam anyway. But my picture of Ronaldinho is the other way around - receiving the ball on the left, then forcefully cutting inside.

Never watched his prime self after his actual playing days again tbf, so maybe my image of him is a bit too simple or clichéd.
 

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Not want to pick on it too much, as you're right they'll roam anyway. But my picture of Ronaldinho is the other way around - receiving the ball on the left, then forcefully cutting inside.

Never watched his prime self after his actual playing days tbf, so maybe my image of him is a bit too simple or clichéd.
Yep, you are spot on
 

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Not want to pick on it too much, as you're right they'll roam anyway. But my picture of Ronaldinho is the other way around - receiving the ball on the left, then forcefully cutting inside.
You're right. But he's versatile enough to play #10/SS etc. I personally believe a free role closer to Inside Left position might be a good fit for his roaming style, so chose this. But yeah, A bit more wider would have been better in team sheet.
 

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Wait, Ocwirk and Boszik start instead of Ocwirk and Tardelli?

That is a mistake IMO. Both are pretty much similar players and quite redundant here. And a more rigid defensive presence is needed there centrally. Tardelli was perfect there.

Sorry NM, but I have to give this one to EAP. Based on my last 2 posts, I was actually going to vote for you before I took another look at the pictures before voting.

I was actually quite delighted with the setup for Passarella especially and how easy on the eye he looked here which is not easy to do.
No worries. I obviously disagree.. simply put, Pep has proved [as much as I hate him] that on the ball magicians trump steel and that's what I went for..
 

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Voted for NM, main reasons are that I think his offense is excellently constructed and I like the balance in his team better. Ocwirk may still do a good job, although I agree that him and Tardelli may have been more ideal.

I think Edgar's offense looks a little dysbalanced with Dinho at #10, Gullit as second striker, and an out-and-out CF. But the same guys with slightly different roles would have probably won my vote for him, and the team has lots of good elements.
 
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Voted for NM, main reasons are that I think his offense is excellently constructed and I like the balance in his team better. Ocwirk may still do a good job, although I agree that him and Tardelli may have been more ideal.

I think Edgar's offense looks a little dysbalanced with Dinho at #10, Gullit as second striker, and an out-and-out CF. But the same guys with slightly different roles would have probably won my vote for him, and the team has lots of good elements.
Would you have put them at LW and RW instead?
 

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Would you have put them at LW and RW instead?
Half-wide, I guess. But the OP explicity said they're 10 + 9,5, and Edgar said they start inside and drift wide. I don't think it matters too much, as I said before in this convo, but it made me give the advantage in team balance to NM.
 

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Thanks for taking part @NM, you built a strong team, I think if you could have kept Tardelli in the team it would have been closer.
 

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Thanks for taking part @NM, you built a strong team, I think if you could have kept Tardelli in the team it would have been closer.
Yeah I messed up the rules. I thought I had to play the 13 and 14 player in the QF and Semis..

If I knew I could play them last time I would have played them both and sorted it out.
 

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I see that EAP is mimicking that Brazil 2002. It's an excellent use of Koeman. Just need to maybe upgrade the RB.