David de Gea

Chris-Red · May 26, 2021

Christ, some of the posts on here are pathetic. De Gea is poor on penalties yes, but some of you saying “worst in the world” etc are ridiculous. De Gea is a top keeper. How often do keepers face penalties compared to all other minutes in the pitch? Henderson has made some poor mistakes recently yet people still back him.

I always find it funny how fans cry about loyalty when a player is in great form. Remember De Gea to Madrid? Fans spouting about how De Gea should be loyal to united. Fans always back him etc. Now he’s hit a poor patch and loyalty the other way goes out the window. It’s one thing thinking Henderson may be better and De Gea should move on. It’s another to call him useless, worst in the world, pathetic and so on.

GledTheRed · May 26, 2021

Please sell this fraud.

Djemba-Djemba · May 26, 2021

Chris-Red said:
Christ, some of the posts on here are pathetic. De Gea is poor on penalties yes, but some of you saying “worst in the world” etc are ridiculous. De Gea is a top keeper. How often do keepers face penalties compared to all other minutes in the pitch? Henderson has made some poor mistakes recently yet people still back him.

I always find it funny how fans cry about loyalty when a player is in great form. Remember De Gea to Madrid? Fans spouting about how De Gea should be loyal to united. Fans always back him etc. Now he’s hit a poor patch and loyalty the other way goes out the window. It’s one thing thinking Henderson may be better and De Gea should move on. It’s another to call him useless, worst in the world, pathetic and so on.

He's the worst penalty saving keeper in the world. That's not a ridiculous claim.

Hes let in the last 36 or maybe even 40 penalties hes faced.

Ronaldo's ego · May 26, 2021

Let’s blame the keeper for not been able to beat a bang average side in 120 minutes of football. How many saves did their keeper actually have to make? At his peak he could have walked into any side in the world winning league and CL titles but he was stuck behind shite defences making save after save. He’s clearly not as good as he was and it may be time to move on but this isn’t on him.

Dec9003 · May 26, 2021

In Rainbows said:
If Ole put in Shoretire and kept Greenwood on the bench, and Shoretire was awful, I wouldn't be angry at Shoretire for being awful. He clearly should not be in the situation as he's not ready. Although not as exaggerated as that hypothetical the same logic is applied here. de Gea is our worst keeper in regards to pens. Anybody, but him would be better. To not go with anybody else means you've chosen to ignore his 10 years worth of penalty records. He sucks at pens and should therefore not be allowed to fail, for the good of the club.

It doesn't matter if I think he should go or not. Because he's paid the most money he's going to be incredibly difficult to offload. I'm not happy with any of our 2 keepers in the sense that I'm confident with them. But they're going to be here and we'll most likely upgrade in 2-3 years if possible. This penalty situation has nothing to do with my opinion on whether I'm happy with de Gea or not. He was deservedly dropped for Henderson, and deservedly got the start after Henderson's recent struggles. Still makes way more sense to sub in Henderson for pens.

Not interested in any of that, would you actively try to sell De Gea, the highest paid goalkeeper in the world that can’t be expected to take part in a penalty shoot out? If you’re not going to give a yes or no please disregard this post.

GledTheRed · May 26, 2021

He's shite, his distribution is worse that his attempts at penalty saving.

We pay 350K a week for that , OMG :houllier:

Zoo · May 26, 2021

It’s difficult to think of a high profile keeper who is as bad at saving penalties as De Gea is.

sideshowbob · May 26, 2021

Forget the penalties for a minute. Is it only me who thinks he could have done better for the goal?

I know it was quite close but the connection wasn’t great it kinda just flapped past DeGea

Nick7 · May 26, 2021

Chris-Red said:
Christ, some of the posts on here are pathetic. De Gea is poor on penalties yes, but some of you saying “worst in the world” etc are ridiculous. De Gea is a top keeper. How often do keepers face penalties compared to all other minutes in the pitch? Henderson has made some poor mistakes recently yet people still back him.

I always find it funny how fans cry about loyalty when a player is in great form. Remember De Gea to Madrid? Fans spouting about how De Gea should be loyal to united. Fans always back him etc. Now he’s hit a poor patch and loyalty the other way goes out the window. It’s one thing thinking Henderson may be better and De Gea should move on. It’s another to call him useless, worst in the world, pathetic and so on.

His poor patch is going on 3 years now to be fair. Can’t forget his terrible clearance put us under pressure in the lead up to their goal.

sullydnl · May 26, 2021

I'm absolutely fine with people criticising De Gea for being poor at penalties, because he is. Demonstrably.

Criticising him for missing a penalty is insanely harsh though. He's a goalkeeper. Once it gets to the point where goalkeepers are taking penalties, one of them nearly always misses.

It's blaming him for the defeat generally that vexes me beyond belief though. It should never have reached the point where we needed a penalty shoot out against Villareal, let alone for David fecking De Gea to score one.

The focus shouldn't be on him or the damn penalties but rather everything in the 120 minutes before then.

UncleBob · May 26, 2021

Djemba-Djemba said:
I'm not having that he's faced 36 unsavable penalties in a row. It's madness to try and defend that. 36 fecking penalties in a row!

He is absolutely atrocious at saving penalties, he has to be the worst in the world.

Maybe he's shit at reading the situation then and there, not being able to identify if a player is leaning towards a side, no idea. It would be fun with a recap of all the penalties, to see how many of them are actually saveable if you gamble correctly, and how many of them are going in anyway.

Not sure why there's such unwillingness to look behind the numbers. Same with simply looking at goals let in and what the xG was, xG can be 0.0001 while that specific shot isn't being saved even if the goalkeeper know where it's going. It's fine margins, one penalty he's getting stick for going too early and the next he's getting stick for waiting. It's fairly easy, isn't it: Distance to penalty spot, average speed of the ball and factor in average reaction time of a human. The few times a goalkeper saves a proper well placed penalty is when they've gambled and gone way early, essentially gambling that the penalty taker has decided beforehand and won't look up. Most saves are a combination of the goalkeeper gambling on a direction and the penalty being shit.

Djemba-Djemba · May 27, 2021

UncleBob said:
Maybe he's shit at reading the situation then and there, not being able to identify if a player is leaning towards a side, no idea. It would be fun with a recap of all the penalties, to see how many of them are actually saveable if you gamble correctly, and how many of them are going in anyway.

Not sure why there's such unwillingness to look behind the numbers. Same with simply looking at goals let in and what the xG was, xG can be 0.0001 while that specific shot isn't being saved even if the goalkeeper know where it's going. It's fine margins, one penalty he's getting stick for going too early and the next he's getting stick for waiting. It's fairly easy, isn't it: Distance to penalty spot, average speed of the ball and factor in average reaction time of a human. The few times a goalkeper saves a proper well placed penalty is when they've gambled and gone way early, essentially gambling that the penalty taker has decided beforehand and won't look up. Most saves are a combination of the goalkeeper gambling on a direction and the penalty being shit.

What are you even arguing now ?

Chris-Red · May 27, 2021

Djemba-Djemba said:
He's the worst penalty saving keeper in the world. That's not a ridiculous claim.

Hes let in the last 36 or maybe even 40 penalties hes faced.

How far back do those penalties go? Was it during a time when De Gea was in form? Were people as harsh back then? And I don’t think he’s ‘let in’ those penalties. He just hasn’t saved them. It’s a very poor record but I’d still have taken him when he was in form even with his poor penalty stats.

Chicharo · May 27, 2021

Born2Lose said:
He's bad at penalties because he's a coward, he doesn't commit and opposition players know they literally only have to get it on target to beat him. Villareal could have taken 50 penalties and he wouldn't have saved one.

If you ever thought this guy was the best GK in the world then congratulations, you know as much about football as Ed Woodward.

Name three better ones when DDG was in his prime

Chris-Red · May 27, 2021

sullydnl said:
I'm absolutely fine with people criticising De Gea for being poor at penalties, because he is. Demonstrably.

Criticising him for missing a penalty is insanely harsh though. He's a goalkeeper. Once it gets to the point where goalkeepers are taking penalties, one of them nearly always misses.

It's blaming him for the defeat generally that vexes me beyond belief though. It should never have reached the point where we needed a penalty shoot out against Villareal, let alone for David fecking De Gea to score one.

The focus shouldn't be on him or the damn penalties but rather everything in the 120 minutes before then.

Completely agree.

izec · May 27, 2021

sideshowbob said:
Forget the penalties for a minute. Is it only me who thinks he could have done better for the goal?

I know it was quite close but the connection wasn’t great it kinda just flapped past DeGea

Yes, me. He didnt jump either, tried to reach it awkwardly half falling on his arse.

Lay · May 27, 2021

I believe he gave away the ball with awful kicks 3-4 times in a row at one point.

sullydnl · May 27, 2021

UncleBob said:
Maybe he's shit at reading the situation then and there, not being able to identify if a player is leaning towards a side, no idea. It would be fun with a recap of all the penalties, to see how many of them are actually saveable if you gamble correctly, and how many of them are going in anyway.

Not sure why there's such unwillingness to look behind the numbers. Same with simply looking at goals let in and what the xG was, xG can be 0.0001 while that specific shot isn't being saved even if the goalkeeper know where it's going. It's fine margins, one penalty he's getting stick for going too early and the next he's getting stick for waiting. It's fairly easy, isn't it: Distance to penalty spot, average speed of the ball and factor in average reaction time of a human. The few times a goalkeper saves a proper well placed penalty is when they've gambled and gone way early, essentially gambling that the penalty taker has decided beforehand and won't look up. Most saves are a combination of the goalkeeper gambling on a direction and the penalty being shit.

I think it's fair to say he's bad at penalties based on the pure statistical likelihood of him missing that many in a row.

Criticising him for missing any individual penalty is harsh though because of everything that goes into them, not least massive swathes of luck.

For example if his diving technique is an issue, well the opposing goalkeeper made his save with the same technique. And if the penalty was saveable, well so are loads of others that get scored anyway because the goalkeeper happens not to go in the right direction.

Scorpy · May 27, 2021

Born2Lose said:
He's bad at penalties because he's a coward, he doesn't commit and opposition players know they literally only have to get it on target to beat him. Villareal could have taken 50 penalties and he wouldn't have saved one.

If you ever thought this guy was the best GK in the world then congratulations, you know as much about football as Ed Woodward.

That's the truth. It was fecking obvious we'd lose on penalties, that's what made our fecking display within the 120 minutes even more infuriating.

edgecutter · May 27, 2021

Not his fault tonight, but he is on far too high of a wage and beginning to under perform, needs to be let go.

BorisManUtd · May 27, 2021

Don't care about penalties, it's players fault for not winning it in 120 minutes of football. Everyone know De Gea is poor at saving penalties, Rulli didn't save 1 out of 10 taken by outfield players neither but eventually someone was going to miss. It would've been big move by Ole if he subbed on Henderson before penalties but it's really not that imporant anymore, you have to beat Villarreal (with all due respect to them) in 2 hours of football.

RonaldoVII · May 27, 2021

Blaming De Gea is massively missing the point given we should be comfortably beating Villarreal. The fact it went to penalties is almost embarrassing.

Bullhitter · May 27, 2021

Still your best keeper but overpaid and how interested he is is a different matter.

Dec9003 · May 27, 2021

RonaldoVII said:
Blaming De Gea is massively missing the point given we should be comfortably beating Villarreal. The fact it went to penalties is almost embarrassing.

You can criticise a player in his performance thread without thinking everything else that happened was spot on.

Marwood · May 27, 2021

Getting down quickly to shots has always been a weakness. It's why he uses his feet a lot to make saves. So pens as a result are a problem for him.

I think there's a good chance he's off in the summer. If so a real shame that's his last game.

Red Shorts · May 27, 2021

Don't worry everyone, with de gea soon gone after this shite show, we can now have Dean who has faced many big experiences, and can take on the mantle without us ever worrying about a goalie crisis again.

So, so long Dave, did some alright saves for us, but all most of us will remember you for were the lack of effort you gave the past 2 years, and your piss poor penalty last night.

I am buzzing for Deano to be the next 10 years, much like Pickford is for Everton.

lolok · May 27, 2021

I don't blame De Gea at all and I'm not even angry at him. Everyone in the world knows he isn't great at penalties, and instead of subbing Hendo in place of De Gea in the 120th minute, Ole decided against it.

I blame the team for not playing better in regulation and then I blame Ole for not subbing out De Gea--- it was a no brainer. Ole had no problem subbing off guys who were bad penalty takers, it is a no brainer to also sub off the keeper who is bad at stopping penalties.

RonaldoVII · May 27, 2021

Dec9003 said:
You can criticise a player in his performance thread without thinking everything else that happened was spot on.

Given the traffic this thread has it would seem a lot are pinning the loss on him.

Welbeckham · May 27, 2021

I’m not very confident we can get rid of him. Because everybody knows he has been a poor keeper for 3 or 4 years and he’s not worth half the money he’s gonna ask for.

PoTMS · May 27, 2021

Boggles the mind that a goalkeeper of his supposed calibre is so bad at being able to save shots from 12 yards.

spiriticon · May 27, 2021

He's not solely to blame for the piss poor performance of the team and terrible game management of the boss, but he is to blame for not being reliable in a pen shootout.

We may as well forfeit the game after 120 minutes, shake hands and head back to the dressing rooms.

Dec9003 · May 27, 2021

RonaldoVII said:
Given the traffic this thread has it would seem a lot are pinning the loss on him.

We’ve just lost a final, every thread is busy. De Gea is partly to blame for us losing. Trying to take that blame away from him isn’t fair, he played poorly and deserves criticism. I’m a big fan of Rashford, but I won’t go into his very busy thread and defend him, he was poor.

Nori- · May 27, 2021

Failed to save 36 of the last penalty attempts against him.

So he was asked to take a penalty instead......and failed at that too.

Sigh. Unbelievable.

Red Devil 26 · May 27, 2021

Not blaming him for the defeat, as for it to have gotten to penalties against Villarreal, shows we have real issues elsewhere. Unfortunately though, he's not been good enough for the last 2-3 years and his performance in the shoot out in many ways summed up where he's at right now - mentally weak, lacking in conviction and not doing enough to remedy the weaknesses in his game.

Would be a such a sad way for him to end his Utd career if this is to be his last game. Thank you for some great memories Dave. Carried us through some bleak times post-Fergie, but perhaps best for all parties if he starts afresh elsewhere.

bosnian_red · May 27, 2021

So gutting that he might end his United career like that. What a shame. Let's not forget what a great player he was for the majority of his decade here.

downxandxout · May 27, 2021

Madness in this thread. Without De Gea we wouldn't have made the final. Now some people are blaming him for losing it. We should have won it in the 90 minutes.

westmeath · May 27, 2021

Have him a 10 in the ratings. Football is a cruel b@st@rd at times. Club legend, always will be.

mu4c_20le · May 27, 2021

Nori- said:
Failed to save 36 of the last penalty attempts against him.

So he was asked to take a penalty instead......and failed at that too.

Sigh. Unbelievable.

Don't think he was asked, he was told

Welbeckham · May 27, 2021

I don’t know how people can still defend him when he has been absolutely useless for 3 years, while we have paid him 50 million during that time.

It’s not just about one penalty shootout and him being at fault. It’s about us having a goalkeeper that never for a moment looks confident of winning a game, not to mention nowadays being terribly average at goalkeeping too.

GledTheRed · May 27, 2021

Bullhitter said:
Still your best keeper but overpaid and how interested he is is a different matter.

Cheers, could be worse he could be Kepa.

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