Funny the best you could do is to bring up a stat from 30 years ago, or comparing goalscoring stats of young winger to accomplished striker 20 years ago to prove a point
but I appreciate your effort 
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Ballon d'Or 2021: more interesting than usual?
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but I appreciate your effort You speak for all the people voting yourself then? Lewandowski and Mbappe are currently favourites for the Ballon d'Or. Lewandowski's goalscoring record is, of course, relevant. Messi won the Ballon d'Or after scoring 91 goals in a calendar year, mostly against Spanish league fodder, so scoring lots of goals does help your chances.
Yes Modric was just above average in the world cup. The only match he played well was against Argentina which was kinda insignificant because Croatia would still qualify with 6 points even if they had lost against Argentina. He barely scrapped by 2 penalty shootout wins and then Croatia beat England (through some individual error) of course
.Croatia got to the final in spite of him.
He won 3 Man of the Match awards - Russia, Argentina and Nigeria. It was most of the tournament. Against Russia in the quarter final, he had 15 ball recoveries, no player made more in the tournament. He was quite good, if not outstanding against England. In spite of him is just not true, he played a key role.Yes Modric was just above average in the world cup. The only match he played well was against Argentina which was kinda insignificant because Croatia would still qualify with 6 points even if they had lost against Argentina. He barely scrapped by 2 penalty shootout wins and then Croatia beat England (through some individual error) of course
Croatia got to the final in spite of him.
I'm always surprised when I read this. The golden boot hasn't gone to a BL player actually since Gerd Muller in 1972. The Bundesliga is not an easy league to score at all.
Bundesliga has 18 teams and is pretty much equal to the Spanish league minus a second superpower.
Had Bundesliga had two Bayerns, it would have been the Spanish league.
Dortmund is no weaker than Atletico
Leipzig is no weaker than Sevilla
The teams match as soon as there's a 2nd superpower. Now add the 2 extra teams so 4 extra games and you'd see BL isn't so easy to score. European golden shoe always goes to Spain even mediocre players like Forlan and Falcao have won one playing in Spain when it hasn't gone to Germany in 49 years. Not even back to back Ballon d'Or winning Rummenigge could win the golden shoe there.
Also the insinuation that he does it only in Germany surprises me. It has barely been 9 months since he scored 3 goals with 4 assists in the 7-0 destruction of your team (Chelsea) in the UCL last year.
Forlan and Falcao at their peak weren't mediocre. But Falcao never managed a european golden boot anyway.
Trying to make sensible post and then come up with "Mediocre players like Forlan and Falcao"
We not talking about last year though. Why do people keep running to last season for lewandowski. Stop making excuses.
And no the bundesliga is ass.
Yea while I agree that the Bundesliga has usually been the third or fourth best league historically, for much of this last decade they have been equal to the EPL.
This past year as well, no one can seriously say the La Liga has been better than the BL. Bayern trounced Atletico in the group stages while Dortmund also beat Sevilla in the R16. I don't think anyone would say Barca or Real are better than Bayern as well so I think when it comes to the La Liga versus BL, both leagues were allowed equal this season. La Liga have weakned with the decline of Barca and Real, while Atletico aren't a great team themselves.
Anyone debating that Lewandowski shouldn't win the trophy because the BL is weak, and saying Messi should, needs to realize the La Liga was weak this season but their usual standards.
Your whole UCL winning team is fill of ex Bundesliga players, including your coach, and your next biggest target is also a BL player, if it's so ass why do you keep wanting to buy from it
Manager last job was in France.Yea while I agree that the Bundesliga has usually been the third or fourth best league historically, for much of this last decade they have been equal to the EPL.
This past year as well, no one can seriously say the La Liga has been better than the BL. Bayern trounced Atletico in the group stages while Dortmund also beat Sevilla in the R16. I don't think anyone would say Barca or Real are better than Bayern as well so I think when it comes to the La Liga versus BL, both leagues were allowed equal this season. La Liga have weakned with the decline of Barca and Real, while Atletico aren't a great team themselves.
Anyone debating that Lewandowski shouldn't win the trophy because the BL is weak, and saying Messi should, needs to realize the La Liga was weak this season but their usual standards.
Your whole UCL winning team is fill of ex Bundesliga players, including your coach, and your next biggest target is also a BL player, if it's so ass why do you keep wanting to buy from it
And don't even get me started on those players we got from the bundesliga!
Bundesliga wasn't on par with PL in the last decade and league is not just 2-3 teams.Yea while I agree that the Bundesliga has usually been the third or fourth best league historically, for much of this last decade they have been equal to the EPL.
This past year as well, no one can seriously say the La Liga has been better than the BL. Bayern trounced Atletico in the group stages while Dortmund also beat Sevilla in the R16. I don't think anyone would say Barca or Real are better than Bayern as well so I think when it comes to the La Liga versus BL, both leagues were allowed equal this season. La Liga have weakned with the decline of Barca and Real, while Atletico aren't a great team themselves.
Anyone debating that Lewandowski shouldn't win the trophy because the BL is weak, and saying Messi should, needs to realize the La Liga was weak this season but their usual standards.
Your whole UCL winning team is fill of ex Bundesliga players, including your coach, and your next biggest target is also a BL player, if it's so ass why do you keep wanting to buy from it
Also La Liga gained more coefficient points than Bundesliga in every year (UEFA track 5 years) and only in one season Bundesliga gained more than PL.
If you are using individual ties then Bundesliga clubs were knocked out by Young boys and Molde.
Bundesliga have one awesome team, like 10/10 team and they are responsible for majority of the points. Just because Bayern are better than Madrid and Barca doesn't mean Bundesliga is better than La Liga, it means Bayern are better than the 2 clubs.
So French league is the 2nd best league going by your logic as PSG knocked out Barca and then Bayern.
Lewandowski scored 41 goals in an 18-team league - 34 games - and he missed 5 games through injury. So if he played 38 games in a 20-team league at that clip, he would have scored 51 goals! It's incredible numbers.
The Bundesliga is weak argument doesn't hold up when Lewandowski has 28 goals in his last 24 Champions League games. He scored 5 goals in his last 3 games against Premier League teams.
The Bundesliga is weak argument doesn't hold up when Lewandowski has 28 goals in his last 24 Champions League games. He scored 5 goals in his last 3 games against Premier League teams.
That Pow guy is either a bad troll or a horrible poster. No need to interact with him further.
I love Kante but his shout is one of the worst about and is coming off the back of one good CL final.
He only started 7 out of 13 CL games this season and missed 14 league matches. It's not like his league campaign was special, far from it.
Even if France win the Euro's Kante winning this trophy would be madness.
Can't believe someone said Falcao was mediocre.
He only started 7 out of 13 CL games this season and missed 14 league matches. It's not like his league campaign was special, far from it.
Even if France win the Euro's Kante winning this trophy would be madness.
Can't believe someone said Falcao was mediocre.
It's easier to score in Bundesliga, look no further than Andre Silva and Jovic.
The best two individual players this year have been Mbappe and Messi, the former is likely to explode again in an international tournament.
Lewandowski isn't even better than Kane who had the highest goals and assists in the best league in the world. No one is calling for him to win the Ballon d'Or either. If Lewandowski wins it, it would be more of an award for the last two years but he would be more deserving than Modric.
The best two individual players this year have been Mbappe and Messi, the former is likely to explode again in an international tournament.
Lewandowski isn't even better than Kane who had the highest goals and assists in the best league in the world. No one is calling for him to win the Ballon d'Or either. If Lewandowski wins it, it would be more of an award for the last two years but he would be more deserving than Modric.
Kante is obviously a very good player, but better than Messi, Lewandowski, Kane or Mpabbe this year? I don't think so to be honest.I love Kante but his shout is one of the worst about and is coming off the back of one good CL final.
He only started 7 out of 13 CL games this season and missed 14 league matches. It's not like his league campaign was special, far from it.
Even if France win the Euro's Kante winning this trophy would be madness.
Can't believe someone said Falcao was mediocre.
Exactly. Somehow people believe Ballon d'or should be based on 3 good performance in CL.I love Kante but his shout is one of the worst about and is coming off the back of one good CL final.
He only started 7 out of 13 CL games this season and missed 14 league matches. It's not like his league campaign was special, far from it.
Even if France win the Euro's Kante winning this trophy would be madness.
Can't believe someone said Falcao was mediocre.
Yes it does. Dross score for fun there. Andre silva was outscored haaland there. Jovic can only score there.
Facts. People are trying to give it lewa for what he did last season. That's not how it works.
He's still been the best player this season.
In the bundesliga. Which means nothing. He's been that for years. He's won the golden boot for his goalscoring. It's not balon dor worthy.
Do you think Kante should win it?
I enjoyed the hype Kante was getting because I like him as a player and also kind of like Chelsea (used to be a big fan of Cech 16 years ago).
The moment people actually feel the need to shit on other players because they truly think Kante needs to win is where my sympathy for Kante will stop. I like him, but he's not worthy of the Ballon d'Or.
I don't think there is any standout right now.
I think the euros will likely play a huge factor.if he wins the euros playing to the level he did in the cl why not ?
But my argument right now is Lewas bundesliga this years is not enough for a balon dor. I'm not shitting on anyone. He should have won the balon dor last year. But last year has no bearing on this one. The only one insulting players is the guys I'm arguing saying forlan and Falcao are rubbish.
So Lewa was best player just in Bundesliga but Kante should in Balon d'or when he isn't even top 10 player in PL this season?
Goalscoring is often what wins Ballon d'ors. He broke Gerd Müllers bundesliga record and scored 5 goals in 6 games in the CL. He was injured when they were knocked out. Who do you think should win it instead? He keeps scoring because he's a world class striker playing for Bayern.
Kante was the best player in the cl
Dominated the cl semis and final
Back to back to back motm
Most ko motms
And even then I didn't say he should win it
I said if he repeats that at the euros and takes that home too then he has a chance.
I don't see any clear frontrunner ATM.
He wasn't the best player in CL. He was best player in 3 games (SF and Finals.)
It was almost a joke when Modric won it, would be even bigger joke if Kante wins it. I mean it wont be surprising as footballing world is looking to overcompensate for overlooking defensive players all these years.
He broke Müllers record by scoring 41 goals in 29 games. That's a pretty impressive achievement even if you don't rate the BL. Arguably I think Messi has been the best in 21. Athletico didnt win La liga because Suarez was better, but because they were the better team and have a better manager. Personally I think he should be a clear contender for the award, but the fact that Barcelona bottled their run for the title means he probably won't be.
Cannavaro won a balon dor on a few game wc.
Prior to that not one person said he was gonna win it for his season at juve.
Let's not pretend that
World Cup/euros performances > cl performances > league performances
Factor in to the vote.
Best player in the team that won
The team that set records of only 4 conceded 4 goals
Only behind in games for a total of 5 mins (both meaningless games)
Most ko motm
Dominated both semis and the final
Wasn't Messi shit against atletico and real this season? His la liga record against dross holds even less weight than Lewas.
Yeah, agree with this. Lewandowski and Messi should be in contention. It's an award for the best player, not the award for player from the team that won a trophy.
Close to 50 goal contributions in league alone in just 29 games (its just ridiculous), 57 goal contributions in just 40 games.
In 2021, it's 27 goals in 17 games for Lewa and 31 goals in 21 games for Messi. Ridiculous. Hopefully there won't be voters who are too eager to look different.
It cannot be Messi or Ronaldo, surely. I think Mbappe has the best chance this time around.
Do you have a break down of who those goals and assist were against ? More so for Messi
It's award for best player. Not award for player in the team that won trophy.
When Inter won treble, none of their players won the award, not why it should be any different, especially when players like Sneijder who also had very good WC and reached finals.
Yeah, those were against La Liga clubs and Champions league clubs.
Yes and the best player isn't fecking Messi who was shit in big games in the league and cl and has stat padded against awful sides.
Ok
Bring a rebuttal then lmfao I dare you.Ok
Show me exactly who messis goals this year have come against
fecking hell how does it matter?
If I say he scored against Sevilla, you come up with usual "Lol they are not great team". IF I say he scored against PSG in both legs you will say "Yeah but they lost" What's the point.
If I was from Messi vs Ronaldo army, I would have posted, but I couldn't care less to analyze against which team he scored against and at that time what was the position of that team.
Maybe someone like @Daysleeper can help you with that.
Anyways I'm done with this. I hope people with voting rights don't get some ridiculously shit ideas. Lewa and Messi are above every player in the world this season and should win it. It's for best performers over a year, not "Choose 1 player from CL winning team". He wasn't even top 10 players in PL this season, but somehow should be in contention because of 3 games.
Lewa will win it. Deservedly so. Missed out last year, has maintained his form into this season.
Realistically, the only other two to be in contention is Messi and Mbappe (who will have to dominate Euros to have a real shot).
Having said that, if Kante wins it, I wouldn't say a word against him. Outstanding midfielder for 6 years
Realistically, the only other two to be in contention is Messi and Mbappe (who will have to dominate Euros to have a real shot).
Having said that, if Kante wins it, I wouldn't say a word against him. Outstanding midfielder for 6 years
Of course it matters lmfao you ain't got the balls to show all his goals this year that you are hyping to balon dor level cause you know 95 percent are against dross. Best performer performs in the best competitions.