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Long term approaches are not overseen by managers these days, I'm fully aware. This is why the club appointed Murtough and Fletcher as our football directors.

City before signing Pep had the basis for their possession game in place after Mancini and Pellegrini spells, all orchestrated by former Barca directors Begiristain and Soriano. They had that strategy in mind being built by different coaches and the squad was moulded accordingly.

That's a long term strategy, something impossible if you always appoint the flavour of the month or some flashy names without any cohesion or common factor between them all, as we did after Ferguson leading us nowhere, and as some people comically want us to do as soon as we draw a pair of games.

That's why you'll never see City trying to sign Mourinho as we did based on pure desperation, and the same for Bayern to name another example of a well run club. They will never beg for a short term mercenary like him to win them the CL by playing miserable football and setting a bellic atmosphere inside. Their potential success is built on their own structures and ideas, with different managers becoming the extension of the club plans. That should be in my opinion the aim of every big club.

Once Pep leaves City you know they will have a solid platform to keep building from, and they will be immediately a pain in the arse. As Barca were back then when he left, and his former assistant Vilanova reached 100 points in the league, with the "ok guy" Enrique appointed from a humble Celta Vigo team winning the treble in his first season, beating Pep's Bayern in the process by the way.

In our case after Mourinho left we were in a pretty bad position. As I said with a mixed squad built by three different approaches in such a short time, with lots of average players around while having the biggest salary mass in the game. The efforts needed to rebuild that garbage, needing to improve the quality while having to reduce wages, developing young players and trying to get results all at the same time are not valued enough.

And this is what happens with that aggressive short term approach and why I think our board is reluctant about it. Short term managers will do everything to win now at all costs, favouring experience and patching over the cracks instead of fixing them, avoiding certain players and profiles with inevitable learning curves and blocking progression in many cases. When the lemon is squeezed and deep changes are needed they move elsewhere, leaving the problems for the club.

It's a double-edged sword. In the end you "might" win something relevant. Or not. But you're risking your position for the coming years by wasting your ammunition that way, so you have to think twice. Our club tried this model and amazingly backfired, a huge loss of money and time. As I said before last year they made their intentions clear about building a more sustainable model and taking a more patient approach, leaving a reasonable margin for development and young players coming through the ranks. From that point people can accept our current vision or keep crying pathetically around the corners, as many are doing on here.
I see where you are coming from actually, now you’ve broken it down extensively like that. But you have kind of suggested that the issues run much deeper than who is the manager, and until you have root and branch changes, you won’t get a return to the days of major, sustained success. I think Zidane is a much better coach than OGS, but I understand your point about needing a cohesive, long term vision at board level and not just trying to grab the latest shiny toy. You might well be right.
 

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Would be great to see him flex his managerial muscles against Klopp, Pep and Tuchel.

Sadly our owners are arseholes
his recent CV suggests he's the only one we could hire now to go toe to toe with any of them, would certainly be an interesting thing to see play out. Him not speaking English would concern me though
 

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I don't see Zidane at United but I'm sure he would make them more competitive and Pogba would be happy for starters. Then I don't think United is currently good enough for a title challenge but there's certainly margin to improve and he's an expert in squeezing every inch of performance from his players. It would also be interesting managing in the Premier League but I still think something like Juventus or even PSG would make more sense for him.
 

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I don't see Zidane at United but I'm sure he would make them more competitive and Pogba would be happy for starters. Then I don't think United is currently good enough for a title challenge but there's certainly margin to improve and he's an expert in squeezing every inch of performance from his players. It would also be interesting managing in the Premier League but I still think something like Juventus or even PSG would make more sense for him.
It's not gonna happen because I don't see Ole getting sacked this summer, but aside from that...

He doesn't speak English, which might be a slight problem for him. There's managers who work here successfully without speaking English (Bielsa for starters) but you have to wonder if he will be able to motivate and squeeze everything out of his British players who he'll be struggling to communicate with directly. We have quite a lot of core players who won't be speaking Italian, Spanish or French. Like our entire back 4 and the GK (Hendo, Heaton) for starters.

It would be a tough challenge for him, compounded by the fact he'd be managing a team worse than City and arguably Liverpool too. Against some of the best managers the game has to offer.
 

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It'd be nice if we at least tried to get this guy. Unlikely but better than accepting the ongoing disasterman in charge.
Conte is really the one that should be targeted. That fecker has 5 league in 7 years. Only Pep can match that.
 

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Rumours of Zidane going to PSG. If he does, watch for lots of clueless people talking about how Zidane will not have ‘proven himself’ because he ‘always goes to ready made situations’ and ‘doesn’t build clubs from the ground up’.

People, it’s 2021, not 1975.Top managers and players don’t go to crap clubs anymore, unless the top clubs don’t want them. Sorry.
If he wins the CL over there, I highly doubt even the most hardcore "he's not PL proven" crowd members could argue against that accomplishment with a French club.
 

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I wonder why people are so hung up on him not speaking English. He can learn, as he's done with other languages over the course of his playing career.
 

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If he wins the CL over there, I highly doubt even the most hardcore "he's not PL proven" crowd members could argue against that accomplishment with a French club.
But you see, then he’ll have four, which will be the most in history. People won’t like that, so they’ll start saying ‘but he went to a ready made situation at Madrid and then he went to a ready made situation at PSG. He can’t build anything!’

As if that matters when someone has won more European Cups than anyone else.
 

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Don't see him going to PSG.

Zidane himself said weird things on the issue

In a radio he said he'd never coach PSG because he is from Marseille

In a tv show he said as a player he'd never have gone to PSG but as a manager he doesn't have the same mindset

If he goes to PSG he will become the most hated man in Marseille immediatly honestly
 

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Don't see him going to PSG.

Zidane himself said weird things on the issue

In a radio he said he'd never coach PSG because he is from Marseille

In a tv show he said as a player he'd never have gone to PSG but as a manager he doesn't have the same mindset

If he goes to PSG he will become the most hated man in Marseille immediatly honestly
Yes this is not an insignificant point and I’m not saying he definitely will go, I’ve just heard it on the grapevine.

Zidane’s relationship with his home country is odd anyway. He didn’t go back to live there after retiring, did he? I think he stayed in Spain.
 

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Don't see him going to PSG.

Zidane himself said weird things on the issue

In a radio he said he'd never coach PSG because he is from Marseille

In a tv show he said as a player he'd never have gone to PSG but as a manager he doesn't have the same mindset

If he goes to PSG he will become the most hated man in Marseille immediatly honestly
Realistically i can see him being the next france manager. Poch isnt gonna leave the PSG job. His break clause expired on may 31st and PSG extended his contract by 12 months. Also talk of leonardo getting the boot as sporting director. Apparently pissed off poch and senior players in first team.

If you want to go toe to toe with pep and klopp only one man for the job who is available at the moment and capable, thats conte.
 

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Realistically i can see him being the next france manager.
Possibly if France have a bad Euros... if they do well though Dechamps has a contract till after the 2022 world cup his record in the last two major tournaments is Final of Euro 2016 and winner of world cup 2018

If Zidane is available at the time the job comes up then he seems a pretty solid bet - that said Im not sure hes going to hang around till potentially winter 2022... unless perhaps he goes back to Juve or somewhere else as a director of football for a couple of years (or france implode at the euros this summer and dechamps goes)
 

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Problems with JAS? @giorno @carvajal ?
It seems that way, but no official media confirms it. You have to go to ITKs and people related to the club.
Both with JAS and with Ferreras and the Atresmedia group (Pedrerol) and PRISA (ser) for the leaks to the press.
Pedrerol was very hard on Zidane for the letter.
They say that Florentino is increasingly on the sidelines and that JAS has all the power, that Florentino is already thinking of leaving as soon as the stadium is finished.
Apparently Antón Meana, from ser, is a close friend of Ancelotti's son and he was the one who broke the news, hence the interview with ser about the super league while Cope does not get anything relevant.
It is also said that only part of the board really want Luis Campos, while JAS / Calafat are not very happy since they want to decide the squad. A soap opera
 

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That's how it should be, and it should all be very public :lol:

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There is going to be a lot more shit but they have to open the stadium.If they lose the socio will look at the board and there will be some massive leak as Marca against Calderón.Meanwhile it's time for "Bale is the signing","Isco resurrects","Vini surprises everybody at preseason" :lol:
 

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Yes this is not an insignificant point and I’m not saying he definitely will go, I’ve just heard it on the grapevine.

Zidane’s relationship with his home country is odd anyway. He didn’t go back to live there after retiring, did he? I think he stayed in Spain.
His wife is a spanish decent and all their kids were at school in Spain. Zidane was himself living between France and Spain because he was following sport management courses and he then became a consultant for Florentino Perez in 2009. It's not actually that odd.
 

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His wife is a spanish decent and all their kids were at school in Spain. Zidane was himself living between France and Spain because he was following sport management courses and he then became a consultant for Florentino Perez in 2009. It's not actually that odd.
Fair enough
 

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City aren't in a rebuild and are looking forward to strengthen their squad with striker and midfield. With this logic all teams are in a never ending rebuild.

I won't reply on the other arguments about the language and PL because they're so terrible it's actually funny.
You do realise the difference of City adding to a title winning team, and Utd trying to rebuild from a base of two top 4 finishes don't you?
 

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Seems he will take some time off and is looking to manage France. As @sun_tzu mentioned though, Deschamps has a contract until 2022 and I have a hard time seeing him stop after the Euro regardless of what happens there short of a complete disaster. Either there's an understanding with Deschamps that it's his last competition and he will stop early or the report is BS and Zidane is just taking a break until the next opportunity.