SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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The June 21st step to be delayed a fortnight according to The Times.
Makes sense tbf, i have no issues if we keep the current freedoms for a couple more weeks.

Just don't tell the bloke that runs the redissue twitter account :lol:
 

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Just had a phone call from the kids school saying we should be in isolation, and not sending the kids in as we've been to Spain in the half-term break. We only went to Dymchurch :lol:

The lies a 7 year old can concoct
 

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Just had a phone call from the kids school saying we should be in isolation, and not sending the kids in as we've been to Spain in the half-term break. We only went to Dymchurch :lol:

The lies a 7 year old can concoct
He would've gotten away with if it weren't for you meddling adults
 

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It's really annoying to see these case rises yet again hitting the Greater Manchester area so badly, but then seeing so many people around here acting like it's all over. Buses, trams and trains are all getting even worse with the increasing numbers of no-maskers on them, and the same is true in shops and supermarkets.

There are strange groups of people embracing the no mask movement too. Old people seem to think they're now invincible, so they don't bother, then there are the teenagers who are peer-pressured into not wearing one when they're with their mates, and there seems to be a denial of any problem existing at all within many South Asian decent families around here. The first I kind of understand, but the latter I don't get at all. Multiple generations of Hindu and Muslim families (I live in a pretty diverse area) wander around the shops seemingly without a care in the world, looking at people like myself as if I'm an idiot for wearing a mask. Have these communities been targeted with conspiracy theories more than others?
 

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It’s just not realistic to expect people to take these antisocial precautionary measures when the risks are reduced so much due to the most vulnerable being fully vaccinated and most others being halfway there. You can construct plenty of logical arguments for and against, depending on your political leanings, life priorities, risk tolerance etc. They were adhered to when people were forced to through medical, social and legislative pressure but as those fade, the ones that were on the fence will jump off. This will all be built into the epidemiological models. Can’t help much worrying about expected challenges.
 

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I’m currently in St. Petersburg for the Euros and it’s complete 2019 here.

Of course had to do a test before entering the country, but Nevsky Prospekt is busier than ever before, white nights means everyone is out all the time, bars/restaurants/night clubs at full capacity and I’ve barely seen any masks for a week, be it on the gorgeous metro, bus, shops or street.

I’m surprised Spb didn’t go 100% capacity for euro matches now. 50% seems to just be lip service.

25 degrees and sunny everyday so far
 

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First heard this on radio 5 whilst driving, they talked of Manchester, Manchester, Manchester and Manchester and then right at the end, almost cut off, and Lancashire as well. National radio my arse.

First thought is the same as with every other restriction or travel ban brought in, it's a fortnight too late, and obviously so. Second thought is that it's going to be widely ignored anyway, sorry to say.
 

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I’m currently in St. Petersburg for the Euros and it’s complete 2019 here.

Of course had to do a test before entering the country, but Nevsky Prospekt is busier than ever before, white nights means everyone is out all the time, bars/restaurants/night clubs at full capacity and I’ve barely seen any masks for a week, be it on the gorgeous metro, bus, shops or street.

I’m surprised Spb didn’t go 100% capacity for euro matches now. 50% seems to just be lip service.

25 degrees and sunny everyday so far
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So my daughter has been sent home from school for ten days, because she has been in close contact with someone with covid, even though she had a negative test yesterday.

This is more education she's missing out on again after having so much time off.

This whole thing is a joke and doesn't make sense. What is the point in taking test's if they just ignore the results anyway.
 

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So my daughter has been sent home from school for ten days, because she has been in close contact with someone with covid, even though she had a negative test yesterday.

This is more education she's missing out on again after having so much time off.

This whole thing is a joke and doesn't make sense. What is the point in taking test's if they just ignore the results anyway.
Because if she was positive you would be quarantined also.
 

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So my daughter has been sent home from school for ten days, because she has been in close contact with someone with covid, even though she had a negative test yesterday.

This is more education she's missing out on again after having so much time off.

This whole thing is a joke and doesn't make sense. What is the point in taking test's if they just ignore the results anyway.
Close contacts should get two tests. If the second test (in about a week’s time) is negative then she can carry on with her life as normal. You need two tests because it can take a week or more for someone to test positive after being exposed.
 

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Close contacts should get two tests. If the second test (in about a week’s time) is negative then she can carry on with her life as normal. You need two tests because it can take a week or more for someone to test positive after being exposed.
What's the best approach with testing?

I know someone who came into contact with a Covid positive person last week Thursday (actually whole of last week). The Covid positive person went for a test yesterday and came back positive, and the positive person had symptoms since last Friday. The person I know also went for a test yesterday and came back negative. Should they go for another test in a few days?
 

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I’m currently in St. Petersburg for the Euros and it’s complete 2019 here.

Of course had to do a test before entering the country, but Nevsky Prospekt is busier than ever before, white nights means everyone is out all the time, bars/restaurants/night clubs at full capacity and I’ve barely seen any masks for a week, be it on the gorgeous metro, bus, shops or street.

I’m surprised Spb didn’t go 100% capacity for euro matches now. 50% seems to just be lip service.

25 degrees and sunny everyday so far
Read Hungary want to be at full capacity for the games they're hosting although don't know if that's 100%.

Had my thinking the other day....how are Italy and Spain doing now as you don't see the figures much in the press compared to 12 months ago so assume it's goodish news? Similar levels to here and variants haven't taken hold.
 

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Little WFH update, I'm sure there was another thread for this kind of thing but can't find it...

Work gave us an update a fortnight ago that we would be planning a return to the office after 21st June. Since WFH work have bought a new office on the same street which none of us have been in yet. We've been told inductions in to the building (Managed space) will be from 21st June and the earliest we will be back in the office is 5th July.

They then sent out a survey to employees with options like:

Yes I'm happy to have my induction and return to office work.
Yes I'm happy to have my induction and return to office work but I have some concerns about COVID.
Yes I'm happy to have my induction but I would not like to return to office work just yet due to concerns about COVID.
No I don't want to have my induction or return to office work.

I picked the 3rd option and gave a ton of rationale. My personal circumstances have changed. Girlfriend went back off maternity last year and was made redundant instantly and lost her company car, we now have one. She started a new job last week and has 12 weeks training in the office then permanent work from home. I don't want to buy a second car for the sake of a few weeks commute. My son is also 22 months old now and we had to find a nursery at 10 days notice for this new job and so we don't have all the days we want and have had to patch it together with family etc. WFH makes it work.

Just got a call invite for Friday afternoon to discuss with the entire business unit. Typical shit house behaviour when they want to drop a bad message that people can't then act on or discuss in work time haha. Man, I'm really dreading a 1 hour commute each way and my freedoms being pulled from under me. We delivered our best ever performance last financial year too working from home.
I had several people kindly reply so here is an update.

If Boris doesn't push back 21st June, then the office will complete a 2 hour induction to the new office leading up to 5th July. W/C the 5th we will be working 3 days at home, 2 in the office on a fortnightly rota with 2 teams doing Tue/Wed and 2 teams doing Thurs/Fri, rotating.

As of September, providing nothing material changes, we will be doing Mon/Fri WFH and Tue/Wed/Thurs in the office indefinitely.

Considering I have 35 days leave to take, like a truly horrible person refusing to accept reality, I've booked off my rota'd days in the office in August so they wont see me for a month. I feel better now.

It's also a compromise I wasn't expecting them to make and whilst I'm not 'happy', it could be worse!
 

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What's the best approach with testing?

I know someone who came into contact with a Covid positive person last week Thursday (actually whole of last week). The Covid positive person went for a test yesterday and came back positive, and the positive person had symptoms since last Friday. The person I know also went for a test yesterday and came back negative. Should they go for another test in a few days?
I would say yes, they should. Always best to follow whatever procedures they have in your country though.
 

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Read Hungary want to be at full capacity for the games they're hosting although don't know if that's 100%.

Had my thinking the other day....how are Italy and Spain doing now as you don't see the figures much in the press compared to 12 months ago so assume it's goodish news? Similar levels to here and variants haven't taken hold.
Italy's doing pretty well. Cases yesterday were 1,896, deaths 102 (that figure was under 100 for the few days before). Everything's arranged regionally here, so some regions are under more restrictions than others. However, some are now in 'white' measures (you just have to wear masks), and all the others are in 'yellow', where the restrictions aren't too onerous.

Mask-wearing both inside and outside is still compulsory and at least where we live, is adhered to by everyone. Vaccinations have really got going and some regions are vaccinating teenagers now. The difference has partly been due to the opening of many more vaccination centres. Italy's generally gone for the big vaccination centre approach, rather than 'visit your doctor' - the latter wouldn't be easy here because of how things are organised (drop-in surgeries with no appointments, no admin or nursing staff in many places).
 

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Little WFH update, I'm sure there was another thread for this kind of thing but can't find it...

Work gave us an update a fortnight ago that we would be planning a return to the office after 21st June. Since WFH work have bought a new office on the same street which none of us have been in yet. We've been told inductions in to the building (Managed space) will be from 21st June and the earliest we will be back in the office is 5th July.

They then sent out a survey to employees with options like:

Yes I'm happy to have my induction and return to office work.
Yes I'm happy to have my induction and return to office work but I have some concerns about COVID.
Yes I'm happy to have my induction but I would not like to return to office work just yet due to concerns about COVID.
No I don't want to have my induction or return to office work.


I picked the 3rd option and gave a ton of rationale. My personal circumstances have changed. Girlfriend went back off maternity last year and was made redundant instantly and lost her company car, we now have one. She started a new job last week and has 12 weeks training in the office then permanent work from home. I don't want to buy a second car for the sake of a few weeks commute. My son is also 22 months old now and we had to find a nursery at 10 days notice for this new job and so we don't have all the days we want and have had to patch it together with family etc. WFH makes it work.

Just got a call invite for Friday afternoon to discuss with the entire business unit. Typical shit house behaviour when they want to drop a bad message that people can't then act on or discuss in work time haha. Man, I'm really dreading a 1 hour commute each way and my freedoms being pulled from under me. We delivered our best ever performance last financial year too working from home.
It looks like a company that does not like WFH and pretend to listen to employees, the joke.

A proper survey would have been something like that:

A) I would like to return to the office and personnally prefer to work in the office every day as soon as possible
B) I would like to return to the office and have the flexibility to work from home 1/2 days per week
C) I would like to return to the office and have the flexibility to work more than 3 days per week
D) I am not ready (short-term considerations)
D) I am not ready (long-term considerations)
 

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I had several people kindly reply so here is an update.

If Boris doesn't push back 21st June, then the office will complete a 2 hour induction to the new office leading up to 5th July. W/C the 5th we will be working 3 days at home, 2 in the office on a fortnightly rota with 2 teams doing Tue/Wed and 2 teams doing Thurs/Fri, rotating.

As of September, providing nothing material changes, we will be doing Mon/Fri WFH and Tue/Wed/Thurs in the office indefinitely.

Considering I have 35 days leave to take, like a truly horrible person refusing to accept reality, I've booked off my rota'd days in the office in August so they wont see me for a month. I feel better now.

It's also a compromise I wasn't expecting them to make and whilst I'm not 'happy', it could be worse!
35 days in the UK? Fantastic number of days.

Well done for August: best time to travel hopefully
 

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Pretty fascinating and somewhat depressing data from the Zoe app:

1) R number of 6 which is double normal COVID - we’ll have over 20k cases by next week.
2) Symptoms have completely changed - headache is now the number 1 symptom, sore throat second, cough only 5th and loss of taste/smell not even top 10.
3) This is a young person epidemic - and somewhat reassuring to see the increases in people double dosed are still relatively flat - and even when infected they tend to have much milder symptoms.
 

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I'm having my first jab on Saturday; getting a bit worried about this variant.
 

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Pretty fascinating and somewhat depressing data from the Zoe app:

1) R number of 6 which is double normal COVID - we’ll have over 20k cases by next week.
2) Symptoms have completely changed - headache is now the number 1 symptom, sore throat second, cough only 5th and loss of taste/smell not even top 10.
3) This is a young person epidemic - and somewhat reassuring to see the increases in people double dosed are still relatively flat - and even when infected they tend to have much milder symptoms.
That’s really interesting. Especially the change in the clinical picture. It looks as though anyone with any symptom of an URTI is in need of a test. If we’re serious about containing this variant that’s a message which needs to be hammered home to GP’s and the general public pronto. The guidance coming out from schools is that sniffles are not a reason to keep your kid at home, never mind get them tested.

I do wonder, though, could the testing capacity cope with every single head cold getting a covid test?
 

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Also. I don’t want to tempt fate but does this variant seem slower than alpha to take off outside the UK? There have been cases reported throughout Europe, going back several weeks, but no other country is experienced the same surge we’re seeing in the UK now - despite lower vax rates. What’s that all about?
 

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Also. I don’t want to tempt fate but does this variant seem slower than alpha to take off outside the UK? There have been cases reported throughout Europe, going back several weeks, but no other country is experienced the same surge we’re seeing in the UK now - despite lower vax rates. What’s that all about?
it's cause Meghan moved away obviously, all her fault.
 

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Smoking gun is a pretty immature term for a scientist to use, and just screams of attention seeking.
 

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Also. I don’t want to tempt fate but does this variant seem slower than alpha to take off outside the UK? There have been cases reported throughout Europe, going back several weeks, but no other country is experienced the same surge we’re seeing in the UK now - despite lower vax rates. What’s that all about?
Look at the hotspots in the UK, it's areas with high vaccine hesitancy from ethnic groups. In Oldham, more than 40% of new cases to the end of May were from 17% of its population. The gov needs to find out why ethnic groups are so hesitant. The figures are on the gov's site, I looked at Oldham 'cos I'm from there and it was 'added' yesterday.

There isn't a massive rise generally, there are very localised, very specific rises.

Spain doesn't seem to be following, but we don't really have the same concentration of vaccine hesitant populations.

(the base numbers are pointless, but trends are OK I think fo comparison - nowhere reports cases the same way)
 

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Italy's doing pretty well. Cases yesterday were 1,896, deaths 102 (that figure was under 100 for the few days before). Everything's arranged regionally here, so some regions are under more restrictions than others. However, some are now in 'white' measures (you just have to wear masks), and all the others are in 'yellow', where the restrictions aren't too onerous.

Mask-wearing both inside and outside is still compulsory and at least where we live, is adhered to by everyone. Vaccinations have really got going and some regions are vaccinating teenagers now. The difference has partly been due to the opening of many more vaccination centres. Italy's generally gone for the big vaccination centre approach, rather than 'visit your doctor' - the latter wouldn't be easy here because of how things are organised (drop-in surgeries with no appointments, no admin or nursing staff in many places).
Nice to hear although deaths to cases ratio still looks a bit on high side but don't know the testing situation there and of course a little behind in vaccines but catching up.

Would be interested to know Italy and other countries plans going forward e.g. how much death per day would populations generally accept to open back as normal as possible. Anything close to 100 is still far too high really.
 

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35 days in the UK? Fantastic number of days.

Well done for August: best time to travel hopefully
Yeah, 5 carry over from last year and 30 standard as it’s my 10th year! In fact, looking at my June 20th join date that’s looking spookily like the day I joined the company! :eek:

Agreed on the company position, they’re heavily invested in a country wide relocation strategy involving many hundreds of properties it owns, probably over a thousand. Leases have been signed, buildings have been bought and sold. There is no turning back I feel which is why we are surprised they’ve even attempted to meet us half way!
 

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Nice to hear although deaths to cases ratio still looks a bit on high side but don't know the testing situation there and of course a little behind in vaccines but catching up.

Would be interested to know Italy and other countries plans going forward e.g. how much death per day would populations generally accept to open back as normal as possible. Anything close to 100 is still far too high really.
There are still quite a lot of people in their 60s and 70s not fully-vaccinated because of the slow start we had. Hopefully as that improves, that will start to have an impact on the deaths.

If I'd have had the jab in the UK, I'd have had the second one months ago.
 

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Pretty fascinating and somewhat depressing data from the Zoe app:

1) R number of 6 which is double normal COVID - we’ll have over 20k cases by next week.
2) Symptoms have completely changed - headache is now the number 1 symptom, sore throat second, cough only 5th and loss of taste/smell not even top 10.
3) This is a young person epidemic - and somewhat reassuring to see the increases in people double dosed are still relatively flat - and even when infected they tend to have much milder symptoms.
So much clearer and more honest than the information put out by government/mainstream media

paints a pretty negative picture about the next few weeks/months though
 

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So much clearer and more honest than the information put out by government/mainstream media

paints a pretty negative picture about the next few weeks/months though
What I was hearing was this variant will speed up herd immunity in the young. Apart from long covid (is that even a thing nowadays? Seems to be a 2020 phenomenon) the real risk is to those that are deliberately choosing not to get immunised (a large minority), or are unable to medically - this should be a miniscule minority.

Any infection is negative news obviously. But in the context of the last six months is it as bad as we think? We've all seen bleak.
 

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What I was hearing was this variant will speed up herd immunity in the young. Apart from long covid (is that even a thing nowadays? Seems to be a 2020 phenomenon) the real risk is to those that are deliberately choosing not to get immunised (a large minority), or are unable to medically - this should be a miniscule minority.

Any infection is negative news obviously. But in the context of the last six months is it as bad as we think? We've all seen bleak.
I had the mildest of infections over the past 10 days and I still can't smell or taste anything for a week now. I hope it comes back soon but its fecking hell in life if those senses are altered or damaged permanently. So the only decent scenario is no-infection.