Is Isco a cow??
Curious case of Isco
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What is nitpicking? You are the one who came into a conversation about expectations and tried to shift it to something else.
Nah, he had incredible close control and composure in tight situations, never fecked up a first touch and regularly completely killed passes that were extremely difficult to control. Like a scaled up version of Bernardo Silva. But technique is not everything and Isco is probably the best example for that, although he still achieved a very high level over a few seasons.
He often had bad touches though, always struggled with the weight of his passes
He had a great touch and control of the ball at his feet. That's good, but that doesn't make him one of the best technical players in the world. It makes him a great circus act. Functionally his technique was very good, but that's it
Why's he never been interested in a loan out of Real Madrid out of interest?
Even Hames went on years loan.
You'd think he'd want to go and start some actual games.
Even Hames went on years loan.
You'd think he'd want to go and start some actual games.
You've got a point regarding the weight of the pass. Regarding the flawed touches: Everytime I watched him, the ball was glued to his feet in any situation. Always thought that I only saw very, very few players being so flawless on the ball. But I assume you've seen much more of him than I did so I might be wrong on this one.
Mister Capello, welcome.
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Capello would also say something like that!That's Allegri
Does he also run like a T-Rex?
Very good post. "He's good now, but imagine him in 2-3 years when he hits his peak age wise" is an argument used for pretty much all promising players, but never really struck me as a good argument.
Yeah, and T-Rex is extinct now so not looking good for Henderson.
Isn’t he another of those talented but never properly had a set position guys like James, Dybala, Coutinho etc?
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Him and mata both are similar in playing style. Good touch great control eye for pass. Both were lacking in pace to play as wingers and nowadays managers rarely play no.10s without work rate.
Isco just wasteful in front of goals unlike mata who is cold blooded in front of goals.
Modric just too good for Madrid who played for hybrid 8 and 10 role in one with enormous work rate and Zidane just liked it that way.
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I feel like the same will probably be said about Rashford, Martial, Pogba when their careers have peaked.
If you look at his Real career he was never a proper XI player anyway. The most league games he started in a season was 26 in 14/15 and his appearance record has declined since then.
Indeed, he's quite similar to Ozil.
Because the manager liked him.
Isco started two CL finals. James wasn't even on the bench for one. Extremely different situations.
Allegedly Isco was one of the players that the club wanted to get rid of and Zidane didn't. Zidane was wrong in this case, since he was never able to get Isco to return to his best.
That was three seasons ago now.
In 19/20 he started 15 La Liga games, Bale 11 so really not much in it at all and the perception is Bale just bench warmed whole of his final season at Real Madrid.
There were multiple stories this season saying that Isco wanted to leave in January. The club didn't want to allow it. He is also the only player in the squad who didn't post anything about Zidane's departure, as far as I'm aware. Some bad blood there, probably.
Individually speaking he was quite decent during the earlier part of his career:
13/14: 23(9) appearance, 8 goals 6 assists, 7.41 avg rating
14/15: 26(8) appearance, 4 goals 9 assists, 7.35 avg rating
15/16: 12(10) appearance, 3 goals 7 assists, 7.09 avg rating
16/17: 18(12) appearance, 10 goals 8 assists, 7.24 avg rating
17/18: 21(9) appearance, 7 goals 7assists, 7.16 avg rating
At this point he has been playing quite good as a squad player role. At 27, it looks likely he is on the way to finally cement a place in starting 11 as main player, as he is about to enter the peak years of his career...
But for some reasons, after Ronaldo had left, he has been performing very poor:
18/19: 11(16) appearance, 3 goals, 2 assists, 6.66 avg rating
19/20: 15(8) appearance, 1 goals 2 assists, 6.70 avg rating
20/21: 8(17) appearance, 0 goals 2 assists, 6.46 avg rating
I can't think of any reasons for that. He is still only 29, but past 3 years he has been very shite. I think the more appropriate question here is, what happened to him in past 3 years?
A combination of injuries and a lack of belief from coaches has him where he is. The season after Ronaldo left was shaping up to be his best yet and he was the player at Madrid, than he got injured and was forgotten after that. He desperately needs a move. I do agree with the other poster that technically, he's the best player in the big leagues.
Isco was disgustingly good in 2016/17
He was majestic. Loved watching him.
He would be a great pick up for a team looking for a creative player who could be given more freedom and “built around”
But his ability would dictate that he deserves to be at a club like Madrid, where he won’t be allowed that freedom and where the expectation is probably just a little too high for him.
Stuck in that space between not being quite good enough to be the main man at the very top tier clubs, but too good to drop down to the second tier clubs.
But his ability would dictate that he deserves to be at a club like Madrid, where he won’t be allowed that freedom and where the expectation is probably just a little too high for him.
Stuck in that space between not being quite good enough to be the main man at the very top tier clubs, but too good to drop down to the second tier clubs.
He would thrive in Wenger's Arsenal atm. Hope he gets chance with Ancelotti.
What position did he play at Malaga?
Wide left but was given license to drift.
I mainly remember him centrally, as a 10.
Just class.
I think Joaquin played at a 10 while Isco was wide. Not entirety sure though.
Fixed the title.
I'm pretty sure that Isco mainly played centrally and sometimes played on the left. Looking at it, it's because Baptista was injured for the most part of 12/13.
He's 29!
He was Godlike to Madrid fans at one point. Go listen to the ovation he got when he got subbed off in the 2017 CL final. He was most definitely a key piece of that team.
He’s the perfect example of why being incredible at ball retention isn’t enough in modern football, always lacked the physical aspects to be world class.
He’s the perfect example of why being incredible at ball retention isn’t enough in modern football, always lacked the physical aspects to be world class.
For the type of player he is, that is not positive. Some age well, he wont. Unless he refinds himself in central midfield.
I don't think his physique was ever a problem. I think his biggest flaw is not having that sense of timing of when to release the ball with a key pass. That imo set him apart from ball huggers like Silver and Iniesta. Another thing, he doesn't have their lungs. Those two could run all day at their peak.
Almost no one in RM was very good in 2018-2019 and in early parts of 2019-2020. The rest is partly lack of trust and lack of interest from the player, I would wager.
Having said that, I don't know enough about these averages, but I would imagine 6.6-6.7 is not "really poor."
Completely forgot about him until I seen this thread.