Ruben Neves | Signed for Al Hilal (SA)

Status
Not open for further replies.

James35

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
3,893
Location
Cardiff
They don't make anywhere near as many mistakes as you are claiming according to the numbers. Neves also makes mistakes, they are represented by the times they give the ball away, quite simply. Neves does that as well, at a comparable rate. Maybe he's more progressive, that would have to be the argument but that also isn't clear.

I don't think he's as good as people are claiming. It's okay saying he's available for 35 million so buy him, but that by itself isn't reason to rush out and get him unless he's top quality.
Just some stats for comparison with McTominay who I believe to be the best player in 'McFred'.

Neves 109 league apps
* Big chances created × 10
* Through balls x 20
* Accurate long passes x 627
* Tackles x 223
* Clearances x 115
* Interceptions x 194
* Recoveries x 812
* Errors leading to goals x 0

McTominay 90 league apps
* Big chances created × 5
* Through balls x 4
* Accurate long passes x 161
* Tackles x 115
* Clearances x 104
* Interceptions x 90
* Recoveries x 405
* Errors leading to goals x 1

McTominay does win more Aerial duels and 50/50s mind which you'd expect for his size and height.

It is true I watch our players every match and the likes of Neves mostly on match of the day so yes I'm going to be more negative towards both Scott and Fred. However the stats show Neves to be an improvement on McTominay for sure...without looking I'll assume better than Fred also.
 

LawCharltonBest

Enjoys watching fox porn
Joined
May 17, 2012
Messages
14,884
Location
Salford
I can't believe some people are turning their nose up at this guy,

For 35-40m what better options is there available currently ? 24 years old btw so not even close to his peak yet, I think he has another gear and with better players around him would be even better,

I think he's not the Hero people want which was probably the same with Michael Carrick when he was signed but he'd end up being the Hero we need.

------------------Neves--------------------------
----------Bruno------Pogba---------------


Sign me up
Agree. And I like the Batman reference.

I get a good feeling with this potential signing. He's a great age. Loads of PL experience. CL experience. He was the captain of Porto as a teenager! Still the youngest ever player to captain in the Champions League I think.

Then you've got the Bruno connection, he's been playing alongside Moutinho which is a great mentor for him.

Ticks loads of boxes. United should seriously look at him. it's a really weird comparison but i get a similar feeling to when we signed Van Der Sar. Playing for a midtable PL team, but he was obviously a level above and just made so much sense for such a great price and a club needing the money to reinvest.
 

TrustInJanuzaj

'Liverpool are a proper club'
Joined
Mar 26, 2015
Messages
10,664
Just some stats for comparison with McTominay who I believe to be the best player in 'McFred'.

Neves 109 league apps
* Big chances created × 10
* Through balls x 20
* Accurate long passes x 627
* Tackles x 223
* Clearances x 115
* Interceptions x 194
* Recoveries x 812
* Errors leading to goals x 0

McTominay 90 league apps
* Big chances created × 5
* Through balls x 4
* Accurate long passes x 161
* Tackles x 115
* Clearances x 104
* Interceptions x 90
* Recoveries x 405
* Errors leading to goals x 1

McTominay does win more Aerial duels and 50/50s mind which you'd expect for his size and height.

It is true I watch our players every match and the likes of Neves mostly on match of the day so yes I'm going to be more negative towards both Scott and Fred. However the stats show Neves to be an improvement on McTominay for sure...without looking I'll assume better than Fred also.
Well you'd be immediately wrong then. Fred is the better player by a fair margin.
 

Volumiza

The alright "V", B-Boy cypher cat
Joined
Jul 13, 2018
Messages
13,510
Location
Somewhere in the middle
Warming to the idea of him at the base of a 433.
Yep. After Varane Neves is my number 1 wish for the price. Not everyone’s favourite target but he would improve our midfield no end. He’s done well in the prem. If we could add him on top of Sancho and Varane that is one excellent window!
 

arthurka

Full Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2010
Messages
18,662
Location
Rectum
Good player, but I have a feeling that he will turn to Scheiderlin II the moment he join us.
I think he has a higher ceiling than what he is showing. Schneiderlin was never that good to begin with, no outstanding attributes.
 

Hughes35

Full Member
Joined
Sep 16, 2014
Messages
2,536
I think he would be one of those signings that goes under the radar a bit but ends up being a great bit of business.

A bit like Carrick for us, Wijnaldum for Liverpool, Henderson for them too.

I'd be happy with the signing.
 

Judas

Open to offers
Joined
Jun 28, 2010
Messages
35,964
Location
Where the grass is greener.
I think he would be one of those signings that goes under the radar a bit but ends up being a great bit of business.

A bit like Carrick for us, Wijnaldum for Liverpool, Henderson for them too.

I'd be happy with the signing.
To be fair it does have that sort of stench to it. He's one that could go to a top side and really kick on and make a massive difference. Or it just doesn't really work out that way. I'll be honest, I've no idea which way it would go. As I've said before, I do wonder if he's stagnated and just needs that step up, new surroundings so he can continue progressing as a talent.

Maybe I'm just bored and need another signing though.
 

lenny_1248

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jul 31, 2019
Messages
1,030
Sell Pogba and Lingard for £60-70M.
Get Neves and Camavinga for £55-60M.

Here's your 4-3-3 with Neves as a deep-lying playmaker (6), Camavinga (8) as a box-to-box midfielder with great tackling, pressing and ability to progress the ball with his dribbling, and Bruno as a creator (10).
 

The QuintonFortunes

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jul 26, 2021
Messages
21
I think we need a dm like Neves. A player who plays between the lines and reads the game well. Similar to Carrick and Xabi alonso. The perfect type to partner with Fred/Mctominay.
 

RDCR07

Not a bad guy (Whale Killer)
Joined
Aug 14, 2009
Messages
30,410
Location
Transfer Forum
Sell Pogba and Lingard for £60-70M.
Get Neves and Camavinga for £55-60M.

Here's your 4-3-3 with Neves as a deep-lying playmaker (6), Camavinga (8) as a box-to-box midfielder with great tackling, pressing and ability to progress the ball with his dribbling, and Bruno as a creator (10).
Camavinga wants to move to Madrid. No point in pursuing a guy who has his heart set in Spain. And I think we can find someone better than Neves.
 

Walrus

Oppressed White Male
Joined
Aug 25, 2008
Messages
11,156
I think Neves could be a really shrewd signing. I can see him at the base of a 4-3-3, or alongside Fred/McTominay in a double pivot. Also he wouldnt be an expensive "undroppable" signing and could comfortably be rotated when appropriate - we dominate possession in a lot of games and he would make an excellent "quarterback" type player in those matches.

He would be a good partner for Fred or McT, complement them nicely. Got the Portuguese connection with Bruno too. And a good price.

Potentially not a really huge superstar signing, but could fill a gap quite nicely.
 

lysglimt

Full Member
Scout
Joined
Jun 1, 2008
Messages
15,101
Let me put it like this - Sancho is one of the biggest talents in the world and has dominated the Bundesliga. Varane is one of the best central defenders in the world. I hope this is the kind of players we sign - and not a Neves who is very good but certainly not at that level.
 

AttackAttackAttack

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 6, 2019
Messages
165
Let me put it like this - Sancho is one of the biggest talents in the world and has dominated the Bundesliga. Varane is one of the best central defenders in the world. I hope this is the kind of players we sign - and not a Neves who is very good but certainly not at that level.
Who is out there for sale right now and fits in with our budget? We need midfield reinforcements , especially if/when pogba leaves this year. Neves will bring another dimension to our midfield and is PL proven so shouldn’t need a season to bed in unlike Donny. I’m all for this one. We are crying out for someone who can pass between the lines, switch play, and still be solid defensively. No brainer to me for the price. Next year we can go after a world class midfielder and striker.
 

Guv77

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jul 9, 2014
Messages
205
I think Neves could be a really shrewd signing. I can see him at the base of a 4-3-3, or alongside Fred/McTominay in a double pivot. Also he wouldnt be an expensive "undroppable" signing and could comfortably be rotated when appropriate - we dominate possession in a lot of games and he would make an excellent "quarterback" type player in those matches.

He would be a good partner for Fred or McT, complement them nicely. Got the Portuguese connection with Bruno too. And a good price.

Potentially not a really huge superstar signing, but could fill a gap quite nicely.
He will be very good against teams that press us very high up, where McFred tend to sh!te there pants at the thought of receiving a pass on the edge of the penalty area with there back to the halfway line.
 

Volumiza

The alright "V", B-Boy cypher cat
Joined
Jul 13, 2018
Messages
13,510
Location
Somewhere in the middle
Neves who is very good but certainly not at that level.
While I agree that he’s not of the same level and Sancho and Varane, and in an ideal world you’d have 11 players all of that level, it’s unrealistic to think we can achieve that from where we are.

A ‘very good’ player in that crucial position would be fine by me right now, especially for the rumoured price.
 

Jibbs

New Member
Joined
Apr 23, 2013
Messages
2,238
Of all the midfielders linked with us... I would love United to sign Neves, followed by Camavinga.
 

RedRonaldo

Wishes to be oppressed.
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Messages
18,996
Sell Pogba and Lingard for £60-70M.
Get Neves and Camavinga for £55-60M.

Here's your 4-3-3 with Neves as a deep-lying playmaker (6), Camavinga (8) as a box-to-box midfielder with great tackling, pressing and ability to progress the ball with his dribbling, and Bruno as a creator (10).
I hope so, but doubt we could get Camavinga easily, as he wish to go to Spain.
 

Dante

Average bang
Joined
Oct 22, 2010
Messages
25,280
Location
My wit's end

No idea how reliable Dean Jones from Eurosport is. But he talks about Saul from 13:50 then mentions Neves from 39:32.
 

VanHaal'sRedArmy

Full Member
Joined
Jun 28, 2015
Messages
2,623
Fit-wise, Ndidi is more suited for us than Neves. Leicester already has a ready-made backup un Soumare, but fees would be high with 3 years left on his contract.
 

dal

New Member
Joined
Sep 20, 2013
Messages
2,207
Hardly, this looks like Everton and not United. Neves would obviously come in as a reserve and tactical player, not a starter. No team wins the league or CL wity these three as the central «trio».
I’d say that’s better than Chelsea’s.
 

crossy1686

career ending
Joined
Jun 5, 2010
Messages
31,486
Location
Manchester/Stockholm
Something doesn't feel right about Wolves selling to be honest. Why would they sell one of their best players (even if he wants out and is refusing to play hypothetically) at a knocked down price in a window where people are asking daft money for their second string?
 

RedCurry

Full Member
Joined
Apr 25, 2016
Messages
4,686
Rather have Neves than any other midfielder we’ve been linked with.
 

lysglimt

Full Member
Scout
Joined
Jun 1, 2008
Messages
15,101
While I agree that he’s not of the same level and Sancho and Varane, and in an ideal world you’d have 11 players all of that level, it’s unrealistic to think we can achieve that from where we are.

A ‘very good’ player in that crucial position would be fine by me right now, especially for the rumoured price.
In theory I agree with you - but I would claim that central midfield (and maybe goalkeepers) is our weakest position - and I just don't see Ruben Neves as good enough to solve that problem. In my opinion he is not better than Fred and McTominay - maybe at the same level. There are a lot of players out there who are better or has the potential to be better - lets get one of those
 

bond19821982

Last Man Standing champion 2019/20
Joined
Oct 26, 2008
Messages
10,366
Location
Nnc
Something doesn't feel right about Wolves selling to be honest. Why would they sell one of their best players (even if he wants out and is refusing to play hypothetically) at a knocked down price in a window where people are asking daft money for their second string?
They sold Jota for a very reasonable price last year. They will sell if the price is reasonable.
 

bond19821982

Last Man Standing champion 2019/20
Joined
Oct 26, 2008
Messages
10,366
Location
Nnc
Fit-wise, Ndidi is more suited for us than Neves. Leicester already has a ready-made backup un Soumare, but fees would be high with 3 years left on his contract.
Soumare is nothing like Ndidi. But agree, Ndidi would be perfect for us.
 

Dante

Average bang
Joined
Oct 22, 2010
Messages
25,280
Location
My wit's end
This would be the most exciting signing of the summer, for me.

Sancho is obviously a better player. But his transfer took a year to complete and I'd have been content with Greenwood on the right if it hadn't.

Varane is great. But I can't really get excited about a defender in the same way

Neves, on the other hand, would fill a gaping hole and be exactly the kind of cog we need to join the defence to the attack. Like it or not, the 4231 is here to stay and we need like-for-like improvements on McTominay and Fred. It's the area of the pitch with the most headroom for an upgrade.
 

Poborsky's hair

Full Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2020
Messages
1,720
Supports
Bohemians 1905
If we buy neves than fine but we would still need another DM, to cover for Fred or alternate with both. Neves has to play in midfield three, Tielemans is also twice the player..
 

Red Company

Full Member
Joined
Jul 24, 2019
Messages
1,072
Location
Toronto
Supports
The Peaky Blinders
Like it or not, the 4231 is here to stay and we need like-for-like improvements on McTominay and Fred. It's the area of the pitch with the most headroom for an upgrade.
What makes you so sure after all the recent reports suggesting a formation change?
 

Van Piorsing

Lost his light sabre
Joined
Feb 10, 2006
Messages
22,525
Location
Polska
If we buy neves than fine but we would still need another DM, to cover for Fred or alternate with both. Neves has to play in midfield three, Tielemans is also twice the player..
Camavinga with Neves would certainly be interesting. They could offer some mixture despite slightly different play style, movement and age bracket.

Let's be honest, Pogba is stalling a bit, he's agent is plonker, we should just do our thing and secure reliable midfield as soon as there's strong momentum with United and overall good market for players.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.