Further signings dependent on sales?

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The thing that's worrisome is that we've loaned out Pereira and Dalot but no one is knocking on the door to take them from Old Trafford. So i don't think we will move them for enough money to fund a move for one of the mids let along Trippier.

Ole stated before the summer window opened that he had intent on bringing in at least 2 guys who would be first Xi players or knocking on that door. Well he's done that with Sancho and Varane.

Now it seems like the next thing is getting the squad depth and balance corrected. Logically Pogba looks to be the odd player out or Lingard depending on which player Ole sees as a backup #10 for Bruno.

Pogba gets you enough money to bring in Trippier for sure and might be enough money to bring in both Camavinga and Neves.
 

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Jones - release him and save something on wages - 0 + wages
Dalot - Not good enough and never will be, had a decent season and valuation could be around - 10-15 million
Tuanzebe - I believe Aston villa would go in for him - and we could get - 15-25 million
Bailly - given his injury record probably not more than - 5 million + wages
Pogba - 30-40 million would be very decent for him
Lingard - 20 million if we are realistic
Pereira - 5-7 million
Lindelof - I am sure there is someone from Italy mad to pay - 15-20 milion
Williams - 10 million
Telles - staying, good back up
Martial - 15-20 million + wages

We are talking 110 million minimum + wages

20-30 mil - to reinvest in a CB
30-40 mil - Camavinga/Other DM/CM
40-50 mil - Tielemans/Neves
20-40 million - Trippier/Aarons.. (if we sell well)

Realistically we won't sell even half these players so keeping
- Lingard will give us a fresh cover for Bruno
- Martial a cover for Cavani and Greenwood
- Dalot a poor cover for AWB but somehow if we could rotate him wisely in easy games risk could go well
- Pogba -xfactor player, he was even superb playing as a LAM, so I wouldn't mind rotating him there while Rashofrd has an operation and try again with Fred, with rock solid Varane and Maguire keeping it tight at the back, could work for easier games. Hopefully VdB to step up to fill in for McT in some games too finally.

Also I believe we would still have some decent 30 millions in the bank to really get that player or two to be at full strength come next season..
 

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I think this is just a briefing to stop clubs from trying to clean us for the remainder of the window. Sorry but we are short on cash this is the best offer we can do and so on….

We’ve spent 150 the last few summers. I’m assuming there’s enough for one more at least. If we sell, and we should sell a few, there should definitely be more money there this summer than other years
 

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Pogba, Dalot, Lingard should be enough to cover funds for another midfielder.

Not sure what to do with Martial, seems like he wasn't there last season. I'd probably sell him if there's any decent offer but I don't mind if he stays, at least until Rashford is fully fit.
James I don't rate but I doubt we'd get a good offer.
No chance we're selling Lindelof.

The rest maybe will cover for Trippier, what would make for a magnificent summer.
It's about time we move Jones.

The situation with GKs is very interesting indeed.
 

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---------------Henderson---------------
AWB---Varane---Maguire---Shaw
-------Pogba--------------Fred-------
Sancho---Fernandes---Rashford
------------------Cavani------------------

-------------------De Gea-------------------
Dalot----Bailly----Lindelof----Telles
-----McTominay-----Matic-----
Greenwood---VDB----James
-------------------Martial-------------------

You can deduct from this the players who really are surplus

Jones - Free
Andreas - less than 10m
Lingard - asking price is apparently 30m

Plus all those who are likely to leave on loan

Williams
Tuanzebe
Garner
Levitt
Laird
Pellistri

Dalot and Pogba two that are being linked with moves if either do then naturally a new RB/CM will be purchased
 

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I think our sales are going to be lowball offers like Smalling to Roma ( €15 + €5 add-ons), which means not a lot coming in. Pogba would be the lone exception to not getting any real chunk of change back.

(£ in millions)
Jones - set him free, free up a space in the treatment room if nothing else.
Dalot - £10 ?
Tuanzebe - keep him for cover.
Bailly - £15?
Pogba - £50, we have to get more than we paid for Varane to not look like chumps
Lingard - £25
Pereira - £5? Who's gonna buy him?
Lindelof - keep. Ahead of Tuanzebe.
Williams - keep him as cover for Shaw.
Telles - £20. Did we keep the receipt? If we got what we paid for him it would be daylight robbery.
Martial - keep.
James - £15. He's not going to displace Sancho.
Fred - £30. We got mugged when we bought him. Getting £30 would be a similar mugging of someone else. I'd bring in Garner to play any minutes Fred would otherwise have gotten.

Funds generated in magical fantasyland: £170.
Funds probably to be generated: £80. (Dalot £10, Pogba £50, Lingard £20).

That will buy us a Rice for about £70 and bring our net spend down to £100. I'm not that impressed with Rice but he's an upgrade on Fred.
 

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In the current financial climate, a lo of clubs may want and need to slash their expenses rather than splash out. I think we have to be realistic as to what we can expect for players we're looking to offload.

Come the end of the transfer window I have a feeling some of the players mentioned will leave cheaper than expected
Exactly.

The world can see which players we don't want. Very few of them will be must haves for other sides. Plus most clubs have had no gate receipts for over a year.

Of the players that could go only Pogba is worth much. Even Lingard, who played excellently at West Ham, is not going to be moving for anywhere close to the rumoured asking price.

'Champions League Varane' has gone for £35m plus another £8m in bonuses. Getting half of that for players who don't have half his stature in the game, in this economy, would be miraculous.
 

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Exactly.

The world can see which players we don't want. Very few of them will be must haves for other sides. Plus most clubs have had no gate receipts for over a year.

Of the players that could go only Pogba is worth much. Even Lingard, who played excellently at West Ham, is not going to be moving for anywhere close to the rumoured asking price.

'Champions League Varane' has gone for £35m plus another £8m in bonuses. Getting half of that for players who don't have half his stature in the game, in this economy, would be miraculous.
That’s only because he had one year left on his contract though. Didn’t Thiago go for 20m pre COVID after winning the Champions League? Take your point though. Although I think we have a fair few players clubs would want for the right price. A lot of our players are not as bad as we sometimes think.
 

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Who’s going to leave

>60%: Bailly, Pereira and Pogba
40-50%: Martial, Telles and James
Loan: Williams

If Bailly leaves: We have to keep Tuanzebe.
If Pogba leaves: Ole probably will keep Lingard.

Who’s leaving in 2022: Matic, Mata, DDG and Jones
 

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Quite a few of our players mentioned all over the press yesterday as available. And Bailly again reported (not sure how credible) to be unhappy about sliding further down the pecking order. Hopefully the new competents deliver on sales too.
 

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They must move on, right?

Maybe Lingard too.

Jones can't be sold, he wouldnt even pass the medical for Derby
 

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Jones Get shut free. Biggest waste of money at the club.
Dalot Keep as backup. We dont need Trippier
Tuanzebe Sell. He never going to be a regular and will be 24 in Nov. Not a kid anymore.
Bailly Sell. Hes too injury prone even as backup.
Pogba Sell. See if we can rinse PSG for £50 mill. Probaly be £40-45 mill.
Lingard Sell. We should be able to get £20-£25 mill. At 28 he hasnt anything to offer and was atrocious the last season he played regular.
Pereira Sell. 26 next birthday and has never shown anything useful.
Lindelof Keep as backup. He will probably want to leave next summer, but a years backup will be useful.
Williams Unsure. Maybe loan. He does have good and bad passages of play.
Telles Keep as backup. Not the best, but a position we have a wc player in.
Martial. Sell. We should be able to get at least £35-40 mill. Too inconsistant and too sulky if things not going his way.
We could then buy that DM/CM we need, and maybe one more.
 

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Even if it turns out that we still can buy without selling I'm very happy with the public line the club is showing now. No more "we can do things in the market other clubs can only dream of", instead we have a discreet and sensible approach to transfers now.
I agree, downplaying our purchasing power is a much better strategy.

I do believe it though, we've already spent 100mil with no outgoings, which is a lot after more than a full season with no matchday revenue.
 

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I think this is just a briefing to stop clubs from trying to clean us for the remainder of the window. Sorry but we are short on cash this is the best offer we can do and so on….

We’ve spent 150 the last few summers. I’m assuming there’s enough for one more at least. If we sell, and we should sell a few, there should definitely be more money there this summer than other years
Completely agree and was just about to post something similar. I posted it a few months ago but can’t remember in which forum.
After last years debacle of both Woody and Ole saying we were going to be in very good financial position to do transfers other clubs and we all saw how that played out.
This window it made much more sense to keep our mouths shut, get big deals done early and then be in a good negotiation position for further deals. Do we what said we were going to do last year and take advantage of the covid hit market.

We still have to balance the wages and players will have to leave but I wouldn’t be surprised if some we loaned with a must buy next year clause as clubs are strapped this year.
If need be we can borrow money at less than 2%. If we can do a deal for a player at a significantly cheaper price due to covid then this is the window to do it.

I also said in the Varane thread that his transfer might have an impact on other transfers. We now have a great CB partnership(at least on paper) but they only have 3/4 years at the top. No point in taking another 2/3 year to finish this rebuild.
 

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De Gea
Dalot Bailly Jones Williams
Matic
Pereira Pogba
Lingard Martial James
Obviously we won't sell them all and the wages will put off suitors for some of them, but they should all be available. If we can't raise £80-100m from that lot there is something wrong with us.

God, no wonder we didnt win anything in last 4 years, so many average players in the squad.

I would add Axel to the list and remove Martial / Pogba
 

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Jones
Dalot

Tuanzebe
Bailly
Pogba
Lingard
Pereira

Lindelof
Williams
Telles
Martial..

Those 4 have to be sold/released this window none of them have a future at United. Loans for Axel and Williams, can't see Martial, Lindelof or Telles being sold. Bailly should be kept as a decent 4th choice for cup games.

Pogba who knows, I think I'm past caring.
 

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Ole cleared lot of dross but still we have 6-8 players who should be sold.

Jones / Baily / Axel / Williams / Dalot / Perrera --should be in the list
Jesse / James / Matic / Lindelof - should be next in the list
Pogba / Martial if we can find better replacements

I am more inclined to selling Axel/Baily/Jones(release) and buy a decent CD for around 30M.

Almost 10 guys can leave tells our state of transfer policies in last 8 years, Pretty poor
 

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Jones
Dalot

Tuanzebe
Bailly
Pogba
Lingard
Pereira

Lindelof
Williams
Telles
Martial..

Those 4 have to be sold/released this window none of them have a future at United. Loans for Axel and Williams, can't see Martial, Lindelof or Telles being sold. Bailly should be kept as a decent 4th choice for cup games.

Pogba who knows, I think I'm past caring.
Williams / Taunzeve / Baily can be added to the list
 

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The problem I see is the 2 players who would fetch us the most money likely will refuse to leave. Lingard has already given Ole the “I want to stay and fight for my place” speech and Pogba isn’t going anywhere because his agent will want to become a free agent so he can have a bidding war amongst a bunch of clubs to get him the highest commission possible. And what Mino says Pogba does.

We can sell Pereira, Dalot and Bailly but I can’t see us getting more than 40 million total for all 3.
 

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Williams / Taunzeve / Baily can be added to the list
Nah I think we need to keep Bailly as a back up. We seen how it went for Liverpool last year going into the season with only 3 centre backs. You need at least 4 senior defenders.

Williams will move on eventually though I still have a bit of hope Axel can be a good player for United.
 

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Sancho and Varane are clear upgrades on what we have, Trippier probably too, and if not then he'll make AWB better, but very it's unlikely the Pogba replacement (if there is one) would be an upgrade, so whilst it'd be good still, it would be a shame to weaken another position, but if Pogba gives us no choice then there's not alot we do other than sell.
Fair enough.

Both would be great sitations but if selling Pogba means we sign another midfielder instead that fits better Id be equally as happy with that.
 

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Let's look at the squad...

GK
De Gea, Henderson, Grant, Heaton - Doubt we'd be able to sell anyone from this considering the wages. Might loan out Henderson or De Gea.

RB/LB
Shaw, AWB, Telles, Williams, Dalot, Laird - Laird will be loaned out. Williams too after Telles is back. Dalot will be kept if we can't sort out Trippier.

CB
Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Jones - Jones out any way we can. Tuanzebe out on loan.

CM/DM/AM
Matic, Pogba, Fred, McTominay, Pereira, Bruno, VDB, Mata, Garner, Mjebri, Lingard - Pereira we'll try to loan or sell. We'll try to keep Pogba. Loan out Garner. We'll try to sell Lingard.

RW/LW/ST
Rashford, Cavani, James, Martial, Greenwood, Sancho, Amad, Elanga, Pellistri - Loan for Pellistri. Elanga, James and Amad up in the air.


Looking at the ages of our squad we registered 23 players after the last January window. Nobody who was U21 for that list needs to be registered this season. Heaton replaces Romero on the list and Sancho doesn't need to be registered I think considering Amad wasn't. Varane makes it 24 players. Last spot would then be between Pereira and Lingard and we're looking to get rid of both. Note also that we registered Jones.

Greenwood, Sancho, Williams and Amad being 21 and under really helpful in terms of squad depth.

Forgot that Dalot also now needs to be registered.
 

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Jones - As much as he needs selling, I really can't see any team having an interest in him.
Dalot
Tuanzebe
Bailly
Pogba
Lingard
Pereira
Lindelof - Guarantee he won't be sold. We need squad players.
Williams - I wanna see how he responds to a loan. Might bring out the best in him.
Telles - He's brought out the best in Shaw. If we were to sell him, we'd be back to square one, needing adequate backup for LB.
Martial
De Gea
 

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Most likely based on the reports we've seen
- Pogba - £45m to PSG
- Lingard - £18m to West Ham
- Tuanzebe - £15m to Newcastle ( though should be more given what Chelsea are selling their youngsters for)

Comes out to about £75m, so around £40m net spend with the purchases of Varane and Sancho. Probably gives us enough leeway for a £40m midfielder and a £20m RB taking us to £100m net spend.
 

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It’s about balancing the wage bill moreso than needing the cash for transfer fee. Lingard and Jones are the obvious ones, though they’re on less than Pogba between them.

I want us to keep Martial for now, he was hot garbage last season but I just get this feeling he’s going to light it up this year..
On the contrary, Martial will be down again. Luckily Ole did not give his shirt number to Sancho, otherwise a guarantee distraction.

By now all fans should realise Martial is not a fighter. My definition on fighter, is that if I played poorly yesterday for a 6, I would work my socks off to deliver a 7 or better next game. Even if I can't score or assist, I would ensure I have created enough space and chances for my team mates to score. Has Martial demonstrated any trace of fighter spirit?
 
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I take these comments with pinch of salt.

If we decided we want to buy the money wont be a problem. It's will be just a matter of deferred financial magic. If we decided that's it and that would be it.

Happy with sancho and varanne if thats the only 2 of our big signing.
 

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Jones
Dalot
Tuanzebe
Bailly
Pogba
Lingard
Pereira
Lindelof
Williams
Telles
Martial..
.........seems like the most likely list of players who could move on without including one of the keepers



Seems like now that Murtough and Judge have basically covered themselves in pure glory in their first window together, in order to do more business we'll have to pivot and look at moving players out.

Guys like Trippier, Kounde, Camavinga, Neves and Saul are still targets but we have to find space in the squad and money.
They would be my choice to move on as well. They simply have not taken their chances. I would keep Lindelof just in case we cannot get in a replacement. I would love to include James in there as well. Time to let the youngsters come in one at a time when we rotate the squad.
 

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Seems sensible with the pandemic hit economy. I know we all want us go and spend another 50-100 million on a CM, maybe RB etc. But our squad is pretty large now given the market, spending 110 odd million like we have is pretty good. Try and get rid of Lingard and one or two others and sign a CM.
 

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Our squad is bloated and we should offload to even register players.

PlayerHG StatusU21
De Gea
Lindelof
Bailly
JonesHG
MaguireHG
PogbaHG
Cavani
Mata
Martial
RashfordHG
GreenwoodHGU21
GrantHG
LingardHG
PereiraHG
Fred
Bruno
AmadU21
Dalot
JamesHG
ShawHG
SanchoHGU21
HendersonHG
Telles
PellistriU21
AWBHG
Matic
WilliamsHGU21
Van De Beek
GarnerHGU21
TuanzebeHG
McTominayHG
HeatonHG
Varane

We have 33 players including players like Garner, Pellistri. Out of 33, 6 players can play without registering them as part of U21. So that brings the squad size to 27.

You can exclude one of Heaton or Grant as we will register 3 GKs. That brings the number to 26.

There are obvious players we will try to offload like Lingard, Pereira, Dalot, Jones. We have to do that if we don't want to leave any player unregistered.
 

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Thought this might be the case. Now I said that a top CDM and we would be in great shape but if we are to move Pogba I would want a extra CM aswell
You don't like this below if Pogba leaves?

VDB DM Bruno
 

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Well, we generally do spend between £50m and £100m net, so you would have thought there might have to be outgoings, but we need to shift some players either way.

I also think there might be some cash left over from last season. We all know we pursued Sancho and that didn't happen.

Personally, if we do sign anybody I think it will be a CM. I think next year we go all out for Haaland with a massive offer
 

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Our squad is bloated and we should offload to even register players.

PlayerHG StatusU21
De Gea
Lindelof
Bailly
JonesHG
MaguireHG
PogbaHG
Cavani
Mata
Martial
RashfordHG
GreenwoodHGU21
GrantHG
LingardHG
PereiraHG
Fred
Bruno
AmadU21
Dalot
JamesHG
ShawHG
SanchoHGU21
HendersonHG
Telles
PellistriU21
AWBHG
Matic
WilliamsHGU21
Van De Beek
GarnerHGU21
TuanzebeHG
McTominayHG
HeatonHG
Varane

We have 33 players including players like Garner, Pellistri. Out of 33, 6 players can play without registering them as part of U21. So that brings the squad size to 27.

You can exclude one of Heaton or Grant as we will register 3 GKs. That brings the number to 26.

There are obvious players we will try to offload like Lingard, Pereira, Dalot, Jones. We have to do that if we don't want to leave any player unregistered.
We will register 4 keepers surely? An injury to two keepers and you have no keeper on the bench. Seems unlikely but it’s not impossible by any stretch. Or am I right in thinking you’re allowed to register an emergency goalkeeper?
 

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We will register 4 keepers surely? An injury to two keepers and you have no keeper on the bench. Seems unlikely but it’s not impossible by any stretch. Or am I right in thinking you’re allowed to register an emergency goalkeeper?
Even last season we had 3. Romero wasn't registered as per PL site.
 

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This is the acid test though isn't it? The other side of the scales. Buying seems to improved, has selling? In a market without much liqudity and the wages we pay for average players will we be able to offload them?

Will woodward be realistic about the selling price? Or if we cant sell them this summer can we offload the players on a loan with obligation to buy?
 

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I think we would be happy with a 150m spend if its on the right players. That was a figure that was thrown about last season and leaves us about 35m left without sales.

Players like Sancho count for less because they are so young and have so much potential, that will be factored in to the accounts. If I remember correctly it's 5 years we amortise players across.
 

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This is our problem, full stop. The owners are on damage limitation with the fans and were always going to spend this summer, to repair relations. But to be fair even to them, we have far too many players hanging on who are not going to drive us forward, and we simply have to find buyers for them. Which is course is proving problematic due to our profligate contract negotiations.
 

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I saw it reported we want £30m for James but I'd take £20m+5m in add ons, £20m for Lingard, £15m for Dalot, £5m for Pereira and £40m for Pogba. That should be plenty enough to sign a RB and CM.
 

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The problem is that there isn't much money in the market at the mo. There are players like Pereira who we might have got £5-10M for a couple of seasons back from some mid-table Italian team or whatever, but I seriously doubt anyone is paying that for him this summer. For this reason, I think we have to cash in on the saleable assets that we have. Pogba is being talked about for £40M. Lingard maybe half that. James and Telles are players I'd prefer to keep but would sell if a good offer came in. If we can squeeze another £10M out of the long tail of players like Dalot, Pereira and Bailly then that puts us in the market for another first-team or even two. Also worth pointing out that De Gea's salary is nearly £20M a year, which would be a good thing to prune as well.