That might help nudge his selling price up a bit.
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He scored a screamer against Southampton in the PL in 18/19. It was voted our goal of the season
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/andreas-pereira-wins-man-utd-goal-of-the-season-2018-19
Pereira struck a brilliant goal, but he was actually pretty decent overall. We need to prune bodies and he's probably on the chopping block, but if it came down to keeping either Lingard or Pereira it's pretty easy call: sell Lingard.
But Pereira at this point wants to be a regular start for at least a club that nibbles near the top level of a league in Spain or Italy and if that's the case sell him, but if he's willing to stick with the program under Ole we can use him. We can't keep playing Bruno match after match after match. There's Van De Beek as well, but there will still be plenty of opportunities for Pereira to fill in when the first team regular are out with injury, need to be rested or otherwise need to sit down.
But Pereira at this point wants to be a regular start for at least a club that nibbles near the top level of a league in Spain or Italy and if that's the case sell him, but if he's willing to stick with the program under Ole we can use him. We can't keep playing Bruno match after match after match. There's Van De Beek as well, but there will still be plenty of opportunities for Pereira to fill in when the first team regular are out with injury, need to be rested or otherwise need to sit down.
Yeah huge shame. I remember being so excited after his Granada loan.
He had a great start to the 18/19 season as a #6 (although I always thought, and still think that his best position is as the #8, like today) if I remember correctly too. Distinctly remember him, Pogba and Fred being great against Leicester on the opening day.
Hope he gets his mojo back.
Sell him. No need to waste more time pretending he's going to be good enough
Ha, maybe that was the one I saw.
Cracking strike that
He is popular among our players. Check his comment section on insta today. Blind, depay, Pogba, Bruno, fred etc everyone has chip in
Probably has to do with the goal as well, but he's been here for about 10 years now. Few of our players can say that, would have loved for him to have shone here. He has all the attributes but it just doesn't quite come together, wouldnt mind him at Ajax at all.
About to sell Lingard : Lingard scores goals
About to sell Pereira : Pereire scores a screamer
Feck me we are doomed to keep them forever aren't we?
About to sell Pereira : Pereire scores a screamer
Feck me we are doomed to keep them forever aren't we?
Hopefully we can cash in on him, we dont have many sellable players that can fetch a decent fee.
Stunning goal, and he is capable of that, but not a player for man united. should be moved on.
Stunning goal, and he is capable of that, but not a player for man united. should be moved on.
Top quality goal, something he's been capable of since his days in the reserves. Played decently too. Has the talent to be a squad player at the club but we have so many central midfield options now and youngsters coming through who will want gametime else we could have more Angel Gomes situations. Hope he finds a good move for himself and is able to score these kinds of goals a bit more often wherever he goes.
Valencia liked him and wanted him after his loan, I think that would be a good move for him now as they sold a lot of CMs last summer and need competition for Soler and Racic in the middle
Valencia liked him and wanted him after his loan, I think that would be a good move for him now as they sold a lot of CMs last summer and need competition for Soler and Racic in the middle
Hope he can do a Robben or a Salah. Hopefully with us, if not then somewhere at least.
I've always had a soft spot for him.
I've always had a soft spot for him.
Really wish we tried him with Fred but I think his time with the time is up if he wants to have a proper career instead of just sitting on the bench for paltry minutes there and than.
He has all the skills a football player needs to have but he doesn't have the nastiness or the confidence needed to play week in week out in the epl. I actually feel really bad for him as he's really talented and was looking great signs of promise early in his career.
He's been with us for years and we've talked enough about him. He's still the same. In the very last match there were two moments that sums him up. The free kick: 90 % of what he usually does and the amazing scorch: the odd 10 %.
I do like him, he seems to be a really nice lad and definitely always try his best. But it's time for him to leave to find a place for him in the football world, it's definitely not here anyway. I'm glad that he had a good match and hope he'd find a bid soon.
I do like him, he seems to be a really nice lad and definitely always try his best. But it's time for him to leave to find a place for him in the football world, it's definitely not here anyway. I'm glad that he had a good match and hope he'd find a bid soon.
If Ole hasn’t decided about Lingard and Pereira already, they make it difficult for him 
Extraordinary goal, we'll struggle to see better all season.
Given the delays in some players return he'll probably feature in the first few games but I still expect him to leave before the windows close
He's got all the talent but doesn't have the application at the highest level to achieve the consistency needed. At least not yet but maybe he'll be a late bloomer.
At 25 he needs to start every week now if he's going to reach the level his talent is capable of
Good lad too by all accounts so hopefully he gets the right club
Given the delays in some players return he'll probably feature in the first few games but I still expect him to leave before the windows close
He's got all the talent but doesn't have the application at the highest level to achieve the consistency needed. At least not yet but maybe he'll be a late bloomer.
At 25 he needs to start every week now if he's going to reach the level his talent is capable of
Good lad too by all accounts so hopefully he gets the right club
Good luck to him. Hopefully he finds the right move.
Belter of a volley.
Belter of a volley.
I admit I had hope he might turn out half decent, but he will never be good enough for Manchester United and that's not the end of the world. He should look for a club and I hope it's in the PL. That goal was probably one of the best goals scored at Old Trafford, and I am glad he has that with him.
I can’t believe how good of a goal that was. The reaction from their number 4 was golden.
He's talented but like it was with Depay, the pace of the PL is too fast for him. He'd do great if he's given time and space on the ball.
But then again, he really didn't stand out at Lazio either...not much of a clue but Serie A to be honest, anyone with some insights?
But then again, he really didn't stand out at Lazio either...not much of a clue but Serie A to be honest, anyone with some insights?
Needs to be sold along with Lingard. Feel Ole is not the type of manager that Lingard will excel under especially considering when Bruno is in the team.
Pereira is a prime example of why I was having a discussion with another poster yesterday about the loan system not working for us.
Pereira is 25 years old, yet has only played 73.5 games worth of minutes in top-flight league football (sure, there are a few Europa League/Champions League appearances too)
It's not enough football for a player to keep developing. Realistically, sell him at 20 and insert a buy-back clause. Let him go and play every week in a settled side and fulfil his potential.
Instead, we've a 25 year old who is fairly talented but still quite sheltered, in terms of the footballing experience a team like Villa or Brighton would want to spend £30m
Pereira is 25 years old, yet has only played 73.5 games worth of minutes in top-flight league football (sure, there are a few Europa League/Champions League appearances too)
It's not enough football for a player to keep developing. Realistically, sell him at 20 and insert a buy-back clause. Let him go and play every week in a settled side and fulfil his potential.
Instead, we've a 25 year old who is fairly talented but still quite sheltered, in terms of the footballing experience a team like Villa or Brighton would want to spend £30m
Whatever his future is, I don't condone any bullying for our players.
In twitter for example, the comments on the tweet about this goal is filled with disrespect and bullying.
"wished he didn't score that goal so that Glazers won't offer him new 5 year contract."
These are professional players, they still have some serious skills. Poor lad.
In twitter for example, the comments on the tweet about this goal is filled with disrespect and bullying.
"wished he didn't score that goal so that Glazers won't offer him new 5 year contract."
These are professional players, they still have some serious skills. Poor lad.
Brilliant goal, I hope it's enough to find him a buyer.
He didnt go on loan till very late which was more the issue rather than him not playing on loan. United ruined his development by including him in the first team squad and not playing him during important years in his development.
Saying that though maybe he just wasnt good enough
I have a theory about the trajectory of footballers though. Some, regardless of their level, have a 'hard-ceiling', because they have a certain skillset which makes them effective. Perhaps it's something like dribbling in a wide-player or heading in a CB or finishing in a CF. When that player reaches their natural level, there's not much more improvement to come because they will come up against better players and/or there will be comparable players with the same skills or better.
Other players, generally CMs or CBs in my experience, need to play for a certain amount of time AT a level, to determine whether or not they are good enough. If you think about the skillset needed by a CB or a CM, it's really about making and executing decisions and skills effectively and quickly. There's not 'one thing' you do that stands-out, it's heading, tackling, passing, first-touch, vision, awareness etc...and what you generally find is, when you first move up and play at a level, you're miles off the pace and everything seems to be happening too quickly and your game completely falls apart.
After a while playing at that speed, you either sink or swim. You become comfortable or you don't. The point is, you won't know unless you play consistently at that level. There's nothing else that can prepare you for it.
Now, Manchester United can't just chuck young CMs or young CBs into the team and give them a season to 'see how they get on', for obvious reasons. So we inevitably send them on loan to a 'lesser league', which again, doesn't really serve the purpose of what we are trying to achieve i.e. get them used to the pace, intensity and aggression of 1st-team football in the Premier League.
Hence why I advocate selling players if they haven't broken into the team by 20. If it gets to that point and they are not picking up regular starts or sub appearances, then their development is going to be stunted. Far better to sell them and let them play every week and answer the question - can they keep developing? Can they climb the ladder? If we're smart, we insert reasonable buy-back clauses into the agreements so we lose nothing.
Banger of a goal. Enough to secure a new 5 year contract.
You could be right. Pereira just isnt a good example as he played u23 football and even no football till the age of 22 before then being allowed out on loan. Between 18-22 he lost 3-4 years of development
Hopefully last night rekindles his form and interest in him. Was very good, must be said.
So we're not really disagreeing. What I am saying is if a player shows some potential, like Pereira clearly did, then we should be looking to get them on loan at 18/19 (unless they are exceptional, like Greenwood), and then at that point, we have a decision to make. Do we keep them into their 20s and start integrating them into the 1st team or do we look to sell them and let them develop elsewhere?
The situation I am trying to avoid is the one we regularly seem to find ourselves in were we develop good players but then let them leave for basically nothing after paying them good money for years to do not much.
How much better would our net spend look had we got value for the likes of Drinkwater, King, Shawcross, Cleverley, Welbeck, Cathcard, Simpson, Pique, Rossi etc...etc...?
Agree with you, there's worse in the Jones thread.
That was apparently the price for him already last season.
6-8m is a fair price.
I'd say £12-15m is a good price for him tbh. He just needs to set some roots somewhere, knuckle down and he'll become a great player for someone like Fenerbahce.
Liverpool would get £10-15m for him and everyone on here would praise them for it, no reason why we shouldn't.
One of the best goals ever scored. Pure aesthetic perfection.
It's actually quite simple, the development of a young player is simply a process of developing a number of "playing habits". Of course there's also his strength, pace, technique etc. So a player must hit the gym, do his routines and most importantly, play.
If you ever play football you'd understand there's no time to think in a football match. Your body will react before your brain, according to your "playing habits". It's not like there's time to think this is situation A, B I should do this do that. All happens in a blink of eye, the faster the tempo the harder it gets. And basically you can't change your habits once it's established, it's very very hard to change those. That's why so many players struggle when they move to a bigger league especially the PL. Or why you'd see a player repeating the same mistake over and over. It's not like he doesn't know he has made a mistake, but in a similar situation his body would react exactly the same due to his playing habits. That's aso why you'd see a player is not very good at the start of his career, but as time goes on he'd grow into a better player. Of course there's also help from coaches etc. but most importantly it's himself. His brain and body.
Tbh I've always felt guys who say why Ole doesn't coach this player to do this do that is simply nonsense and doesn't know shit about football. Of course he would tell the player, but whether if the player could change his playing habits is entirely on himself.
To develop, adjust and test a combination of your "playing habits", your strength, pace etc. - your ability, your skillset you'd need to adequately play at the necessary level. That's why all young players really need competitive game time. And those don't get would never fulfill their potential.
Btw I totally agree with the buy back clause thing, it would be a very smart choice.
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The problem is that players like Pereira, Lingard, Dalot, Tuanzebe or Wiliams (Apparently no one at Southampton earns more money than him) are on amazing wages here.
Therefore no club can afford to pay 12-15m for Pereira and to pay good wages for him too.
Just add his teammates too. It's a habit to learn what your teammates are doing in a given situation. Their movements and what passes they are looking for. I think Andreas would be a good squad player but he needs to play in this team to get him going.
Look at what happened to Fred when he plays regularly. He gets better.
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