Like you said, this external factor has been around for months. Surely a professional organization as big as Man United, should consider this into their plan. And this underwhelming amateurish pre-season is not happened just this one, if you remember.
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I'd be highly surprised if covid wasn't front and centre in all of their plans.
I'm a little confused though. What is it you think is amateurish about it, exactly?
I don’t know why Ole is being mentioned in your original argument like he is responsible for it.
Not ideal but then the player we need fit were never going to play in it anyway.
Latest news - new covid-19 symptom discovered: you lose the ability to spell.
Well it's been happening under his regime, no? Players are severely unprepared by pre-season. Not just by COVID, but also the timing they comeback to train, and the amount of games they play. Also COVID is not only there for United, but for all other teams also.
First step for improvement is to admit there's something need to be improved.
What are you on about. It never happen in 2019. It only started to happen last season because our season finished late but it also happened to Inter Milan, PSG, Bayern, and City so it wasn’t just us. And this time covid is going to ruin it so how is this Ole‘s responsible but not the whole organisation aka Manchester United?
This is weird. Ole is the manager of Manchester United. So do you think he's not in charge of pre-season?
He’s in charged in football matter. He’s not in charged to defend people from getting covid.
it's preseason, the result is literally meaningless.And what is it you think that's been amateurish? What do you think should have been done differently?
Prepare players to get fit into the season is the main objective. There's COVID, and get that risk into pre-season schedule and plan for it. Just like big companies prepare COVID risk into their plan.
I'm not getting paid to think about United pre-season. But i can make comment about the result. Like you , too.
Maybe it's a good thing that most of our best players haven't arrived back yet.
So you don't seem to know what you're complaining about, other than it's been less than ideal, and you can't point to anything amateurish?
Yes pre-season has been hampered again by covid with the the euros thrown into the mix this time too but I honestly don't know how you can blame the club here, or Ole specifically, as you seem to want to do.
What make you question our preparation to get fit into the season? What are you complaining about our preparation?
If covid didn’t strike us, the preparation is pretty much similar to our 2012 season when players only started coming back to pre season and training late due to World Cup 2012. Except this time we have more players involved in the final of the international tournament.
I am surprised that clubs have not made it mandatory for everyone from the players to the management to the ticket/turnstile people. It's just crazy that they haven't. 99% of the fans at the Brentford game weren't wearing masks. Post-freedom day and all but every match is basically a super-spreader event with only 50+% of the population vaccinated. A booster jab will be required in the next few months with decreasing efficacy rates of the current vaccinations.
This is easy question. Main purpose of pre-season to get players fit and ready when the season start.
If the players are not fit, then the pre-season is a failed one, can we at least agreed on this?
So why is it relevant to the fact you are complaining and questioning our preparation? What is your problem with our pre-season and preparation now?
Chelsea had to fly home from Ireland because of a Covid case last week,
Here's the thing, this is going to happen to the majority of clubs and probably more than once, look at the Sky News guy who was infected being near the England camp etc, Covid spreads so easily, if it were possible to shut it out completely.... everyone would have jumped on it and the cases would be right down, but now with restrictions lifted, more people are walking around with it, many with no symptoms, this means it's easier to catch it. We will be living like this for quite some time and I won't be criticising the club because of it, they can't control the movements of players when they leave training etc, this is Manchester United not North Korea.
Here's the thing, this is going to happen to the majority of clubs and probably more than once, look at the Sky News guy who was infected being near the England camp etc, Covid spreads so easily, if it were possible to shut it out completely.... everyone would have jumped on it and the cases would be right down, but now with restrictions lifted, more people are walking around with it, many with no symptoms, this means it's easier to catch it. We will be living like this for quite some time and I won't be criticising the club because of it, they can't control the movements of players when they leave training etc, this is Manchester United not North Korea.
That's what the PL want to have by 1st Oct.
https://www.goal.com/en/news/premie...d-to-have-covid-19/1sd0s4fb1m0zc10yhowqonebed
Doubt most of our players would have been able to considering summer tournaments as well as age restrictions.
Is that a UK thing? It's the Health Service managing it where I am. I don't think my company could even have got any even if they wanted to.
Not sure as I am not from UK, but my company here in India offered us vaccination and also I think it's doing it globally everywhere. So was just suprised Manutd couldn't get one for its employees.
Makes sense. The United players and staff are high-value assets that need to be protected, more so than most other companies.
Vaccinated people can still very well get Covid.
It decreases your chance of catching it, and also reduces the symptoms and further infections but it isn’t a perfect solution. Even if every single player and staff member was vaccinated there could still be Covid cases within the club in which case the necessary precautions should be taken.
It’s a pretty cut and dry issue.
It decreases your chance of catching it, and also reduces the symptoms and further infections but it isn’t a perfect solution. Even if every single player and staff member was vaccinated there could still be Covid cases within the club in which case the necessary precautions should be taken.
It’s a pretty cut and dry issue.
Maybe the reason that this isn't happening everywhere is that the concept of giving jabs first to the rich and powerful rather than on the basis of clinical need and making the poor in vulnerable categories wait their turn is seen as pretty disgraceful by most people.......just a thought.....
This is bad news, but I guess is the new normal. Hope that we have enough first-teamers unaffected by the self-isolation and fit enough for the start of the season.
Yeah poor argument considering that I don't mean giving vaccines to players at the expense of "poor and vulnerable". Please take this political argument to Current Events forum. Doesn't look great coming from a country which is busy vaccinating its young populations while the entire continent of Africa is waiting for vaccines. See please don't try to guilt trap others and stick to football.Maybe the reason that this isn't happening everywhere is that the concept of giving jabs first to the rich and powerful rather than on the basis of clinical need and making the poor in vulnerable categories wait their turn is seen as pretty disgraceful by most people.......just a thought.....
I'm complaining that, again, our pre-season is failed to prepare players to be fit at the start of season. This is a fact, not an opinion. This happen two Summer in a row, and this same thing might happen again next Summer, with WC and COVID most likely is still there. With excuses ready on hand?
Yes. I'm blaming Ole and the Club for this. As you can see these things are risks that should be considered when planning for pre-season. These things, like players in Euro and possibly COVID infection, are not a surprised events. Failing to take these risks into account when planning pre-season is amateurish (for a big club like United). How to take these into account? well, I'm not the manager, nor the CLub pay me to provide solution. I can only give general opinion.
I'm not sure of why the resistance on this, that again, Ole and the Club has failed to have a successful pre-season. They also failed to take into account the known risks. It's a facht, not an opinion.
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Last summer Inter, PSG, City, Bayern suffered, it wasn’t just us so it was uncontrollable because many suffered. This summer how can you say it fails like last season when our preparation is similar to the 2012 season and we have covid hits us which again not Ole’s fault.
Do you even know what taking risks into account mean? You don’t even know what they planned. Covid is almost like injury, you can only reduce the chances doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
Man. In 2012, there was no risk of COVID.
The risk should include the worst scenario. For instance, scenario that certain members of the team would be infected. Then how the CLub proceed with the pre-season to get (non-infected, and even possibly infected but no health issue) players fit.
ALthough I maybe wrong, the Club can actually get our players fit. Than I'd be glad to admit fault.
Or hopefully this pre-season doesn't matter, and we actually smash others on opening games. So all is good then.
Double vaccination rate for the 18-29 age group won’t be high in the UK. It’ll be only be people with underlying conditions, or that have somehow managed to get it early. Single jabs will be high, but we know it’s nowhere near as effective against the delta variant.
There’s a reason the government is saying October for mandatory vaccinations for footballers, or the use of vaccine passports. That’s when all adults will have reasonably been given a chance to have both jabs.
I get it, you're just asking questions.
The point is you're accusing the club of not taking these things into account with no evidence to back up that claim whatsoever.
And then the best part is your get out of jail free card when challenged to state what it is they're doing or have done wrong and what they should be doing differently is that it's not your job to know.
Well I'm sorry but if you can't actually point to anything that is, in facht, amateurish you can't say with any certainty that anything is amateurish and at this point with the information available the criticism is harsh. I'm happy to be totally wrong if any information to the contrary comes to light but at this point you just seem to be making assumptions.
EDIT: Thankfully, on one level, that ill-conceived Qatar WC isn't on til November next year so the players will get a proper Summer and pre-season.
you've said fact twice and yet I see no facts in this post
Apparently club should have taken into account somehow that players and staff would get covid if I understood it correctly.
How? Well that's not his job to know.
Bang goes any title challenge. Covidiots
Is there a single topic on here where someone doesn’t start slagging the club off? 9 players and staff have a potentially serious virus that even if they have mild symptoms may feck their fitness up for a while and the first thought of some is to moan about us not winning in pre-season and blame Ole for COVID and international tournaments. Hospitals and care homes can’t keep it from spreading ffs - unless players are confined to solitary the entire time they aren’t playing football this will happen. It’s going to be far worse than last season because cases will be high in the community and everything is opened up so players will mix more. The only thing you can do to reduce risk is ensure as many get vaccinated as possible, use unreliable instant testing kits and socially distance as best you can. I’m in Wales which has far lower case rates than Manchester and I know numerous businesses that have staff issues due to people isolating - football doesn’t exist in a bubble - this is an issue that will impact all society for a few more months yet.
Think you need to get yourself back to bed
