In what world Tyrone-fecking-Mings is as good as Maguire??
Mings can carry the ball like Harry Maguire?
Tyrone Mings
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Mings can carry the ball like Harry Maguire?
He's the David James of CB's, when he's switched on and can be good, too many lapses in concentration to be considered good enough though
Yeah I just think it’s doesn’t have to be one or the other… so often here a player is described as brilliant or terrible, one or the other.
I think he’s somewhere in the middle, above average but not good enough for a side looking to win things.
Would a be a good sub, like with England, he stepped in and did well for those few games, could do similar for a top team, then drop back to the bench.
There was a pass Maguire played to Kane against Czech Republic I think. Completely bypassed everyone and put him through one on one. I said at the time Mings cannot do that.
Oh come on Redcafe. Every time I think I've seen some shit, something else comes along.
For anyone saying he was decent at Euros, aye, he was decent at not getting caught for this madness and getting red carded and a ban,
Guys a thug, total tool of the highest order
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His ability on the ball is probably his best attribute, with maybe concentration being his worst. It's why he's one of the first names on the teamsheet at Villa, even though Konsa is the better defender imo. When I see people saying he isn't that great on the ball (Villa fans included) I feel like I'm watching a different sport sometimes.
Yes and no. He's capable of doing very good things on the ball, but the issue is that he overplays it too often and gives it away stupidly in very dangerous positions. At least from what I've seen from him anyway, which is a decent amount without being regular. Which comes back to his concentration really.
He's fine on the ball when he actually calms down. The problem I see is that half the time he isn't calm and puts the ball into row Z unnecessarily. Completely agree on Konsa btw, far better defender - find it astonishing Mings was near the England squad.
In a world of awful takes, this is one that stands above others. I don't even think our rival fans would say this...
Utter scumbag of a footballer.
He's a bang average defender the likes of which we've been trying to get rid of for years in the form of Jones and Smalling. He gets some plaudits because occasionally his wild tackles or passes come off and make him look like a hero, but generally he's the definition of a mid table defender. That he's the first backup for England is a bit of a problem.
Yeah I think it's a concentration thing. But the overplaying seems to be a Villa tactic imo. You don't see him doing it for England, he keeps it simple there. Dean Smith has said that he asks him to take more risks on the ball, because he has that ability (and Konsa doesn't), and with that risk comes the occasional clanger.
Personally I'm fine with it because I think the benefits outweigh the risks, but I think it kind of tarnishes his reputation a bit, because the clangers stick out in the memory more. People think Mings and think about when he tries Cruyff turns and gets dispossessed etc.
His ability on the ball? Of all the defenders for us in the Euro's he was the one who couldn't stop booting long balls!
Anyone remember when Mason did him for that goal last season at Villa park? Thought he was shit in that very moment, He's good at best solid back up option to have in a squad challenging for titles.
You’ve got 3,111 posts, do the forum a favour and keep it that way, ta.
Every time this thread is bumped I fear the worst…..
Isn't that a Gareth Southgate tactic? Hit balls into the channel for Sterling et al? He's pretty good at those passes (see: Watkins at Villa), and he played on the same side as Sterling so I imagine that's why.
Also, surprised you'd have an issue with that
Quote from Mings on the lead up to the Euros. It's quite refreshing to see a footballer so candid about their emotions and feelings.
The sort of quote that gets the media wet for his “honesty” but the reality is quotes like this are pre prepared from Tyrone due to the media fascination with him. No doubt he has seen other average Johnny’s talk a little different from football cliches to ensure the media come calling when retirement hits. Basically preparing for the easy life post football as there doesn’t seem a drive or determination to stay in the game as a manager or a coach.
What the feck are you talking about man!
I think Mings has been excellent for you but this is just a Mings trait. Even in the Championship, looking like prime Ramos down there, he hit so many poor, needless long balls. Still, he's good, and deserved his place at the Euros, but that is a weakness of his.Isn't that a Gareth Southgate tactic? Hit balls into the channel for Sterling et al? He's pretty good at those passes (see: Watkins at Villa), and he played on the same side as Sterling so I imagine that's why.
Also, surprised you'd have an issue with that
Also, no surprise at who's saying this guy is better than Maguire. Trollin' on.
I'm probably more forgiving of it since I've been used to incessant hoofing by the likes of James Collins and Nathan Baker over the years, but I like to think he hits those long balls with purpose, even if they don't come off. Largely because he's very good when playing it along the ground. Who knows maybe he just likes to hit it long for the sake of it
But yeah, he was so good in the Championship. Like he was taking the piss down there. He's not had it as easy in the PL but he's still been very good. His high profile mistakes due to his risky play style really puts people on his back and fed into the negativity that he speaks of going into the Euros. I mean we had people in here saying he was Titus Bramble levels for example.
People on here will find a negative spin for EVERYTHING
its almost impressive but quite a sad way to go through life.I didn't even know how to respond to that. I didn't know that level of cynicism of even possible.People on here will find a negative spin for EVERYTHING
New to the internet? You will love it here, the anonymity really brings out the best in people.
I think it's more to do with his personality on the pitch, if he was less thuggish with how he plays he would easily be seen in a better light. I thought he was solid for the most part at the Euro's but even then he had his moments of hysteria, slamming an elbow into a player in our box comes to mind. He hasn't exactly painted himself in glory during his career and I think it has stuck with him.
This guy makes Pepe look like a Fair Play Award candidate
He’s a big lad, very strong, good in the air. His main weakness is that he’s lacking in pace a bit and doesn’t always have the anticipation to make up for it. Overall could be perfect for freeing up Maguire.
Not everything has an agenda
Some are clever enough to play the media to their advantage. Glenn Murray and Troy Deeney are exactly the same
Why do you assume that’s what they’re doing though? A climate in which mental health is discussed openly in all walks of life these days, so it’s hardly surprising to hear these guys discussing their issues.
Because I have followed football long enough to work out players like Mings. It’s more common nowadays as there are more media outlets.
Nothing wrong in discussing mental health if you have suffered with it, I just think it makes his image look good by discussing it whether he has suffered with it or not
Exactly.
I've been following football for the best part of the last two decades, and I thought the pressure of being the one dragging your team down is something which players almost never talk about. When I read that, my first thought was Lingard. He probably went through something similar before his WHU loan, and I say that as someone who has an unfavourable opinion of his off-field attitude.
Well, this escalated quickly.
Wow, how many issues have you raised from one quote? Manipulative of the current state of
Mental health, lack of ambition and. not wanting to make a career in football management, and generally being reductive about other footballers mental health issues!
Amazing what a football forum PhD throws up